But Russell is a small Dman so we might as well bring up Subban.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Sure and we don't need to sign Lucic, we can just call up Stewart.

That had crossed my mind.

I only want to throw big money at difference makers that are still young. Players that will help us for years and years . Otherwise stay the course and Draft and develop.

Don't tie ourselves down with bringing back Hamhuis for four years.

I have also got off the Buff and Lucic bandwagon. When I said bring them in , I had no idea the youth of the team would have been so good so fast. So I retract Lucic and Buff.
- VANTEL

Russell will, and some GM will get a good deal for him IMO.

Cal has UFA's Hudler, Jones, Hiller, Ramo, Russell and
RFA's Gaudreau, Monahan, Granlund and Colbourne.

Unless they can jettison Wideman, and even then, I think they will be hard pressed to resign Russell.
- belcherbd

So wait till july 1 to make decision on hammer. If we get good signings then the decision is obvious, If not make him a yr offer, maybe 2 yrs MAX.

That had crossed my mind.

I only want to throw big money at difference makers that are still young. Players that will help us for years and years . Otherwise stay the course and Draft and develop.

Don't tie ourselves down with bringing back Hamhuis for four years.

I have also got off the Buff and Lucic bandwagon. When I said bring them in , I had no idea the youth of the team would have been so good so fast. So I retract Lucic and Buff.
- VANTEL

Exactly, there is no rush to sigh UFAs, we're not in a position to be signing any vets, and what vet would sign with a rebuilding team. If you think the team is young this year then wait until next year. What we have been waiting for for years is finally here and some are complaining about the defense

Sure and we don't need to sign Lucic, we can just call up Stewart.
- belcherbd

I would rather take the bottom 5 finish this year and call up Patrick Laine

Sure and we don't need to sign Lucic, we can just call up Stewart.
- belcherbd

We don't need Lucic either.

We have enough small wingers.
- A_SteamingLombardi

The more assets the better

We don't need Lucic either.
- A_SteamingLombardi

He is LA kings signing.

gotcha.... hillbilly what was the point you were going to make?
- SMBDragon

I was just pleasantly shocked to see a somewhat positive post and outlook on the future with JB and his moves. and then I was going to respond with a light hearted flagged, but hit the flag button instead of the reply button...

we certainly are a team in transition with JB having to earn his salary. maybe Vantel is right in regards to Hamhuis being able to land a similar contract to what he is earning now... Bieksa got extended... if that is the case, I am okay with letting Hamhuis go but we will miss his leadership as you described it. difficult to replace.

It is too bad our d depth is lagging behind our forward depth. wondering if JB will move a young forward to acquire d?

When I look at holes in the lineup, I think of Draisitl being penciled in as 2lc in Edmonton 2 seasons ago and subsequently being sent back to jr, because he wasn't ready, and the Oilers never did have an adequate 2lc that season. To contrast, this past summer, Franson was available, appeared to be too expensive and then took less when he was scrambling for suitors at the end of the summer.

If you leave a hole in your second pairing, might or might not be able to adequately fill it in the summer. It could cost you your season. Still, you sign Hamhuis, you pay him alot (>$4mil) and he continues to have bad luck with injuries, your back end is in trouble.

I wouldn't mind signing Hamhuis to around 3 to 3.5 mil for a couple seasons, but he likely has greater value to another team.

The more assets the better
- Codes1087

I don't want an asset in the ECHL.

He is LA kings signing.
- VANTEL

Only if Dustin Brown gets arrested in the off-season and they get another cap compliance gift.

Exactly, there is no rush to sigh UFAs, we're not in a position to be signing any vets, and what vet would sign with a rebuilding team. If you think the team is young this year then wait until next year. What we have been waiting for for years is finally here and some are complaining about the defense
- A_SteamingLombardi

Ive been complaining about defense for years now. We havent been good since we lost Salo....and a few others. I pointed out early last season our D was a train wreck and people didnt see it. Now everyone is complaining about D.

It has been our biggest problem for quite a few years. The time to rebuild D was then, now its dire urgent.

I was just pleasantly shocked to see a somewhat positive post and outlook on the future with JB and his moves. and then I was going to respond with a light hearted flagged, but hit the flag button instead of the reply button...

we certainly are a team in transition with JB having to earn his salary. maybe Vantel is right in regards to Hamhuis being able to land a similar contract to what he is earning now... Bieksa got extended... if that is the case, I am okay with letting Hamhuis go but we will miss his leadership as you described it. difficult to replace.

It is too bad our d depth is lagging behind our forward depth. wondering if JB will move a young forward to acquire d?

When I look at holes in the lineup, I think of Draisitl being penciled in as 2lc in Edmonton 2 seasons ago and subsequently being sent back to jr, because he wasn't ready, and the Oilers never did have an adequate 2lc that season. To contrast, this past summer, Franson was available, appeared to be too expensive and then took less when he was scrambling for suitors at the end of the summer.

If you leave a hole in your second pairing, might or might not be able to adequately fill it in the summer. It could cost you your season. Still, you sign Hamhuis, you pay him alot (>$4mil) and he continues to have bad luck with injuries, your back end is in trouble.

I wouldn't mind signing Hamhuis to around 3 to 3.5 mil for a couple seasons, but he likely has greater value to another team.
- hillbillydeluxe

We have 6-7 decent D prospects now . They just need a year or two to develop

Did you think we were going to compete for a cup next year? I think we are going to miss the playoffs next year at least I'm hoping that's the case, I've given up hope on missing the playoffs this year.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Oh were missing the playoffs this year...don't you worry about that !

Ive been complaining about defense for years now. We havent been good since we lost Salo....and a few others. I pointed out early last season our D was a train wreck and people didnt see it. Now everyone is complaining about D.

It has been our biggest problem for quite a few years. The time to rebuild D was then, now its dire urgent.
- SMBDragon

Yep...and Ehrhoof...and Ehrhoff was a defensive nightmare in PO's but provided the Offence to balance it out.

Since we lost the Salo right hand boomer we just haven't been that same back there.

That's why 'm baffled by the talk of resigning Hammer. 33 years old ten pounds lighter and it will take him 2-4 weeks to get back to game shape.

Time to move on folks.

Ive been complaining about defense for years now. We havent been good since we lost Salo....and a few others. I pointed out early last season our D was a train wreck and people didnt see it. Now everyone is complaining about D.

It has been our biggest problem for quite a few years. The time to rebuild D was then, now its dire urgent.
- SMBDragon

We are three wins away from being in the top 10 of the league. We are not as horrible as some think.

Tanev Edler Hutton Biega are adequate top 4 , hopeful to improve but not urgent

We have 6-7 decent D prospects now . They just need a year or two to develop
- VANTEL

That is partly why I was saying Hamhuis wouldn't be a bad option for a 2 year extension. Just don't want an older dman to be on the books for longer.

But as you said, he will likely be offered more term and a higher cap hit.

Yep...and Ehrhoof...and Ehrhoff was a defensive nightmare in PO's but provided the Offence to balance it out.

Since we lost the Salo right hand boomer we just haven't been that same back there.

That's why 'm baffled by the talk of resigning Hammer. 33 years old ten pounds lighter and it will take him 2-4 weeks to get back to game shape.

Time to move on folks.
- LordHumungous

I think it depends a lot on whether mgmt thinks Hutton is the real deal and ready for full time top 4 next season. In that case the team desperately need to find a RH top 4.

The Canucks need to either resign or add a top 4 D this year if they want to continue to compete, which I still think is still a priority.

That is partly why I was saying Hamhuis wouldn't be a bad option for a 2 year extension. Just don't want an older dman to be on the books for longer.

But as you said, he will likely be offered more term and a higher cap hit.
- hillbillydeluxe

You won't get him for two years first of all and secondly he is not worth eating up 4.5 mil of our cap space. Thirdly we are trying to get younger bigger faster. Which one would Hamhuis fit into?

That is partly why I was saying Hamhuis wouldn't be a bad option for a 2 year extension. Just don't want an older dman to be on the books for longer.

But as you said, he will likely be offered more term and a higher cap hit.
- hillbillydeluxe

You won't get him for two years first of all , and secondly he is not worth eating up 4.5 mil of our cap space. Thirdly we are trying to get younger bigger faster. Which one would Hamhuis fit into?

That is partly why I was saying Hamhuis wouldn't be a bad option for a 2 year extension. Just don't want an older dman to be on the books for longer.

But as you said, he will likely be offered more term and a higher cap hit.
- hillbillydeluxe

I'd love for them to offer Hamhuis 2 yrs at 3mil, he'll waive his NTC immediately.

I'd love for them to offer Hamhuis 2 yrs at 3mil, he'll waive his NTC immediately.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Dallas or Chicago would be a great fit for Hamhuis this year

You won't get him for two years first of all , and secondly he is not worth eating up 4.5 mil of our cap space. Thirdly we are trying to get younger bigger faster. Which one would Hamhuis fit into?
- VANTEL

The term is the most important part of the equation from my perspective... if it isn't going to happen, that is fine.

If Hamhuis is on his way out, I hope he gets into some games after the allstar break and has a good showing to increase his trade value.

but as far as ufa's and trades are concerned, I am ready to be disappointed.

The term is the most important part of the equation from my perspective... if it isn't going to happen, that is fine.

If Hamhuis is on his way out, I hope he gets into some games after the allstar break and has a good showing to increase his trade value.

but as far as ufa's and trades are concerned, I am ready to be disappointed.
- hillbillydeluxe

I would look to also see who is unsigned RFA on July first maybe you can steal someone

If we got Benn or Gryba this year I would look at it as a win

Dallas or Chicago would be a great fit for Hamhuis this year
- VANTEL

Pittsburgh I think too. There are options! God knows Ottawa could use him too, freaking awful defensive team Karlsson shouldn't be getting anywhere near a Norris IMO