neem55
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look at the topic...it says right in the title..."the secret to LA success, the breakout"
If we applied that to our team we'd be winning more games. But instead we have a D coach without a clue on how to exit a zone, so we are stuck with the suck and no personnel changes will make that change long term. - SMBDragon
The content of the article is talking about how their forwards deploy/forechecking and neutral-zone coverage. I am a supporter of building a team from the back-end out, so I'm sure we would agree on many points. But defense is played by 5 guys on the ice, not 2. Breakouts are done the same way. I think we both know it has to do with system//coaching as personnel. Our D is bad but the forward d-zone coverage has been pretty pathetic too. |
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Too long. I plan on being dead in 4 years. - vancity787
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Too long. I plan on being dead in 4 years. - vancity787
Well you better get back to praying then |
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mauryballstein
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Location: vancouver, BC Joined: 06.12.2015
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Not a huge fan of Chychrun to be honest. I don't see much creativity in his game. All the points he gets seems to be clappers from the point. His point production isn't exactly eye popping either.... i would expect more from a top 10 pick. - Mungo
What are his offensive numbers compared to say ekblad in his draft year? |
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SMBDragon
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Location: Escaped from Krypton Joined: 07.29.2010
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The content of the article is talking about how their forwards deploy/forechecking and neutral-zone coverage. I am a supporter of building a team from the back-end out, so I'm sure we would agree on many points. But defense is played by 5 guys on the ice, not 2. Breakouts are done the same way. I think we both know it has to do with system//coaching as personnel. Our D is bad but the forward d-zone coverage has been pretty pathetic too. - neem55
of course D does apply to forwards as well, but primarily in a different way and time. THe forecheck certainly applies. its true that the kings breakout for example has forwards around the blueline as options, so they must also be in position
Im glad you see its all about system of play. sadly not many do here. Why else is this so crucial? When you select players, you want to select ones who will do well within your current system or have a history using that same system, which makes their transistion seemless into the team.
This is for example why Gillis aligned the farm with the parent club, so players called up wouldnt be awkward in a foreign system as it can take awhile to learn a new system. |
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of course D does apply to forwards as well, but primarily in a different way and time. THe forecheck certainly applies. its true that the kings breakout for example has forwards around the blueline as options, so they must also be in position
Im glad you see its all about system of play. sadly not many do here. Why else is this so crucial? When you select players, you want to select ones who will do well within your current system or have a history using that same system, which makes their transistion seemless into the team.
This is for example why Gillis aligned the farm with the parent club, so players called up wouldnt be awkward in a foreign system. - SMBDragon
You are starting to sound like Nucker |
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SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Escaped from Krypton Joined: 07.29.2010
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You are starting to sound like Nucker - A_SteamingLombardi
not sure why youd say that.
but if youre just here to throw stones like you have all day dont bother |
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vancity787
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: My Parents Basement, BC Joined: 07.14.2008
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Well you better get back to praying then - A_SteamingLombardi
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First game back from an Eastern Road Trip.
Predictions?
5-2 Preds |
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mauryballstein
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Location: vancouver, BC Joined: 06.12.2015
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This is where we disagree i think.
I've been pleasantly surprised with a number of the young guns, but that doesn't mean i don't want to see solid proven vets brought in.
Good young players often regress a bit in their sophmore years.
Vetran leadership is necessary to guide young players imo.
I am still on board with bringing a pos like Lucic if available. - dbot
we dont have the enough talent to start addving vets at this point. All you do by adding now is making us toronto by thinking you are better than you are, if you want 10-15 years of fighting for a playoff spot start adding ufas this year. if you want to compete for the cup you take your few years and build through the draft and when the time is right you add the piece or two that you are missing. Look at what florida has done that is how you build a winner. |
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neem55
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 02.02.2012
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of course D does apply to forwards as well, but primarily in a different way and time. THe forecheck certainly applies.
Im glad you see its all about system of play. sadly not many do here. Why else is this so crucial? When you select players, you want to select ones who will do well within your current system or have a history using that same system, which makes their transistion seemless into the team.
This is for example why Gillis aligned the farm with the parent club, so players called up wouldnt be awkward in a foreign system. - SMBDragon
This is a massive part of the game, no question. But it is a part. Personnel is a more important part, obviously. Kane and Toews would be amazing players outside of coach Q's system. But I definitely agree that successful teams have strong and disciplined systems, and draft for their style of play. However sometimes they also draft/trade/sign based on talent (see Gabbo, taffoli, kane PAnarin). Willie could be a lot better, same with lidster. Hopefully we move onto a more experienced guy, for now we have a guy who seems pretty skilled at character/player development as Virt, McCann, Hutton and Bo all seem to be coming along nicely under WD |
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neem55
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 02.02.2012
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First game back from an Eastern Road Trip.
Predictions?
5-2 Preds - VANTEL
regulation loss would be great! I think Ryjo comes out and shows us why we should have ponied up the prospects. 4-1 Nash, hopefully Anahiem pulls of a win in Boston |
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not sure why youd say that.
but if youre just here to throw stones like you have all day dont bother - SMBDragon
Sorry I'm just one of the masses that isn't smart enough to talk here because coaching systems are over my head, go (frank) yourself. |
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- vancity787
We tried a short little Italian 2 years ago, it didn't go to well. |
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neem55
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 02.02.2012
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Sorry I'm just one of the masses that isn't smart enough to talk here because coaching systems are over my head, go (frank) yourself. - A_SteamingLombardi
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Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Vancouver, BC Joined: 01.31.2015
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First game back from an Eastern Road Trip.
Predictions?
5-2 Preds - VANTEL
Tank
Bo and Virt with our goals |
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SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Escaped from Krypton Joined: 07.29.2010
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we dont have the enough talent to start addving vets at this point. All you do by adding now is making us toronto by thinking you are better than you are, if you want 10-15 years of fighting for a playoff spot start adding ufas this year. if you want to compete for the cup you take your few years and build through the draft and when the time is right you add the piece or two that you are missing. Look at what florida has done that is how you build a winner. - mauryballstein
I think you have an excellent point there. My posters here want t sign this guy that guy blah blah. Yet history dictates those teams constructed in such fashion dont do very well. And youre correct, thats the toronto approach....for a current example. mind you they are turning around with new managament.
Drafted and developed teams do well.
Remember the NYR loaded with stars before the salary cap? Lindros etc etc, yet it didnt win. |
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vancity787
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: My Parents Basement, BC Joined: 07.14.2008
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We tried a short little Italian 2 years ago, it didn't go to well. - A_SteamingLombardi
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I think you have an excellent point there. My posters here want t sign this guy that guy blah blah. Yet history dictates those teams constructed in such fashion dont do very well. Drafted and developed teams do. And youre correct, thats the toronto approach....for a current example. mind you they are turning around with new managament.
Remember the NYR loaded with stars before the salary cap? Lindros etc etc, yet it didnt win. - SMBDragon
I think this is the first time I have ever seen someone say take the Toronto approach |
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Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC Joined: 12.23.2014
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Burp...
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More Cowbell |
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Getzlaf seems to be in favour of the George Castanza look |
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SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Escaped from Krypton Joined: 07.29.2010
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Sorry I'm just one of the masses that isn't smart enough to talk here because coaching systems are over my head, go (frank) yourself. - A_SteamingLombardi
youve been taking unnecessaary and unwarranted troll shots at me all day....so no, you go (frank) yourself |
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SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Escaped from Krypton Joined: 07.29.2010
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I think this is the first time I have ever seen someone say take the Toronto approach - VANTEL
Oh geez I made a boo boo. Didnt proof read it lol
went back and fixed it...thanks for pointing it out |
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mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: vancouver, BC Joined: 06.12.2015
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Horcoff suspended time to dangle Vrbata and McCann for Theodore |
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Horcoff suspended time to dangle Vrbata and McCann for Theodore - mauryballstein
We are on their no trade list |
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