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neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 26 @ 6:38 PM ET
look at the topic...it says right in the title..."the secret to LA success, the breakout"

If we applied that to our team we'd be winning more games. But instead we have a D coach without a clue on how to exit a zone, so we are stuck with the suck and no personnel changes will make that change long term.

- SMBDragon


The content of the article is talking about how their forwards deploy/forechecking and neutral-zone coverage. I am a supporter of building a team from the back-end out, so I'm sure we would agree on many points. But defense is played by 5 guys on the ice, not 2. Breakouts are done the same way. I think we both know it has to do with system//coaching as personnel. Our D is bad but the forward d-zone coverage has been pretty pathetic too.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 26 @ 6:38 PM ET
Too long. I plan on being dead in 4 years.
- vancity787

A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jan 26 @ 6:42 PM ET
Too long. I plan on being dead in 4 years.
- vancity787

Well you better get back to praying then
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Jan 26 @ 6:48 PM ET
Not a huge fan of Chychrun to be honest. I don't see much creativity in his game. All the points he gets seems to be clappers from the point. His point production isn't exactly eye popping either.... i would expect more from a top 10 pick.
- Mungo

What are his offensive numbers compared to say ekblad in his draft year?
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jan 26 @ 6:51 PM ET
The content of the article is talking about how their forwards deploy/forechecking and neutral-zone coverage. I am a supporter of building a team from the back-end out, so I'm sure we would agree on many points. But defense is played by 5 guys on the ice, not 2. Breakouts are done the same way. I think we both know it has to do with system//coaching as personnel. Our D is bad but the forward d-zone coverage has been pretty pathetic too.
- neem55

of course D does apply to forwards as well, but primarily in a different way and time. THe forecheck certainly applies. its true that the kings breakout for example has forwards around the blueline as options, so they must also be in position

Im glad you see its all about system of play. sadly not many do here. Why else is this so crucial? When you select players, you want to select ones who will do well within your current system or have a history using that same system, which makes their transistion seemless into the team.
This is for example why Gillis aligned the farm with the parent club, so players called up wouldnt be awkward in a foreign system as it can take awhile to learn a new system.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jan 26 @ 6:54 PM ET
of course D does apply to forwards as well, but primarily in a different way and time. THe forecheck certainly applies. its true that the kings breakout for example has forwards around the blueline as options, so they must also be in position

Im glad you see its all about system of play. sadly not many do here. Why else is this so crucial? When you select players, you want to select ones who will do well within your current system or have a history using that same system, which makes their transistion seemless into the team.
This is for example why Gillis aligned the farm with the parent club, so players called up wouldnt be awkward in a foreign system.

- SMBDragon

You are starting to sound like Nucker
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jan 26 @ 6:56 PM ET
You are starting to sound like Nucker
- A_SteamingLombardi


not sure why youd say that.
but if youre just here to throw stones like you have all day dont bother
vancity787
Vancouver Canucks
Location: My Parents Basement, BC
Joined: 07.14.2008

Jan 26 @ 6:56 PM ET
Well you better get back to praying then
- A_SteamingLombardi

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 26 @ 6:57 PM ET
First game back from an Eastern Road Trip.

Predictions?

5-2 Preds
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Jan 26 @ 6:58 PM ET
This is where we disagree i think.
I've been pleasantly surprised with a number of the young guns, but that doesn't mean i don't want to see solid proven vets brought in.

Good young players often regress a bit in their sophmore years.
Vetran leadership is necessary to guide young players imo.

I am still on board with bringing a pos like Lucic if available.

- dbot

we dont have the enough talent to start addving vets at this point. All you do by adding now is making us toronto by thinking you are better than you are, if you want 10-15 years of fighting for a playoff spot start adding ufas this year. if you want to compete for the cup you take your few years and build through the draft and when the time is right you add the piece or two that you are missing. Look at what florida has done that is how you build a winner.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 26 @ 6:58 PM ET
of course D does apply to forwards as well, but primarily in a different way and time. THe forecheck certainly applies.

Im glad you see its all about system of play. sadly not many do here. Why else is this so crucial? When you select players, you want to select ones who will do well within your current system or have a history using that same system, which makes their transistion seemless into the team.
This is for example why Gillis aligned the farm with the parent club, so players called up wouldnt be awkward in a foreign system.

- SMBDragon


This is a massive part of the game, no question. But it is a part. Personnel is a more important part, obviously. Kane and Toews would be amazing players outside of coach Q's system. But I definitely agree that successful teams have strong and disciplined systems, and draft for their style of play. However sometimes they also draft/trade/sign based on talent (see Gabbo, taffoli, kane PAnarin). Willie could be a lot better, same with lidster. Hopefully we move onto a more experienced guy, for now we have a guy who seems pretty skilled at character/player development as Virt, McCann, Hutton and Bo all seem to be coming along nicely under WD
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 26 @ 7:00 PM ET
First game back from an Eastern Road Trip.

Predictions?

5-2 Preds

- VANTEL


regulation loss would be great! I think Ryjo comes out and shows us why we should have ponied up the prospects. 4-1 Nash, hopefully Anahiem pulls of a win in Boston
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jan 26 @ 7:00 PM ET
not sure why youd say that.
but if youre just here to throw stones like you have all day dont bother

- SMBDragon

Sorry I'm just one of the masses that isn't smart enough to talk here because coaching systems are over my head, go (frank) yourself.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jan 26 @ 7:03 PM ET

- vancity787

We tried a short little Italian 2 years ago, it didn't go to well.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 26 @ 7:03 PM ET
Sorry I'm just one of the masses that isn't smart enough to talk here because coaching systems are over my head, go (frank) yourself.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Flagged.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jan 26 @ 7:05 PM ET
First game back from an Eastern Road Trip.

Predictions?

5-2 Preds

- VANTEL

Tank
Bo and Virt with our goals
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jan 26 @ 7:05 PM ET
we dont have the enough talent to start addving vets at this point. All you do by adding now is making us toronto by thinking you are better than you are, if you want 10-15 years of fighting for a playoff spot start adding ufas this year. if you want to compete for the cup you take your few years and build through the draft and when the time is right you add the piece or two that you are missing. Look at what florida has done that is how you build a winner.
- mauryballstein


I think you have an excellent point there. My posters here want t sign this guy that guy blah blah. Yet history dictates those teams constructed in such fashion dont do very well. And youre correct, thats the toronto approach....for a current example. mind you they are turning around with new managament.

Drafted and developed teams do well.

Remember the NYR loaded with stars before the salary cap? Lindros etc etc, yet it didnt win.
vancity787
Vancouver Canucks
Location: My Parents Basement, BC
Joined: 07.14.2008

Jan 26 @ 7:05 PM ET
We tried a short little Italian 2 years ago, it didn't go to well.
- A_SteamingLombardi

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 26 @ 7:08 PM ET
I think you have an excellent point there. My posters here want t sign this guy that guy blah blah. Yet history dictates those teams constructed in such fashion dont do very well. Drafted and developed teams do. And youre correct, thats the toronto approach....for a current example. mind you they are turning around with new managament.

Remember the NYR loaded with stars before the salary cap? Lindros etc etc, yet it didnt win.

- SMBDragon

I think this is the first time I have ever seen someone say take the Toronto approach
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jan 26 @ 7:09 PM ET
Burp...

er..

More Cowbell
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 26 @ 7:10 PM ET
Getzlaf seems to be in favour of the George Castanza look
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jan 26 @ 7:11 PM ET
Sorry I'm just one of the masses that isn't smart enough to talk here because coaching systems are over my head, go (frank) yourself.
- A_SteamingLombardi

youve been taking unnecessaary and unwarranted troll shots at me all day....so no, you go (frank) yourself
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jan 26 @ 7:12 PM ET
I think this is the first time I have ever seen someone say take the Toronto approach
- VANTEL

Oh geez I made a boo boo. Didnt proof read it lol

went back and fixed it...thanks for pointing it out
mauryballstein
Vancouver Canucks
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.12.2015

Jan 26 @ 7:14 PM ET
Horcoff suspended time to dangle Vrbata and McCann for Theodore
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 26 @ 7:16 PM ET
Horcoff suspended time to dangle Vrbata and McCann for Theodore
- mauryballstein

We are on their no trade list
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