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mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jan 27 @ 2:37 PM ET
know what? I am very patient about the season. I mean, while I want to see them make the playoffs and win, I am more than accepting of the direction Hextall is taking the organization. I am accepting of another non playoff season which is probably going to happen. but I just would like to see young players get a chance when the status quo is just bad.
- nastyflyergirl

I was right where you are in early November... last season.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 27 @ 2:39 PM ET
Would also like to see those young players being put in a position to succeed/develop. Asking a 20-yo to carry the corpse of RJ Umberger around is a tough thing to do.

I guess it kind of opens up the debate about whether this team should be prioritizing winning the next game over long-term goals/development right now. I'm a firm believer that it should be the latter.

- Tomahawk


is Umberger contributing to winning?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 27 @ 2:42 PM ET
Would also like to see those young players being put in a position to succeed/develop. Asking a 20-yo to carry the corpse of RJ Umberger around is a tough thing to do.

I guess it kind of opens up the debate about whether this team should be prioritizing winning the next game over long-term goals/development right now. I'm a firm believer that it should be the latter.

- Tomahawk


It's too early for that. When the time comes, if they are realistically out of it, there will be plenty of time to shift focus to long term development of players.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 27 @ 2:43 PM ET
They aren't that far back. They could definitely push their way in.
- mayorofangrytown


they are 7 points from a spot and 5 points from the worse record. they have to leap like 6 teams. is there anything about this team that makes you think they can be this year's Ottawa? with that bottom 6?
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jan 27 @ 2:43 PM ET
Would also like to see those young players being put in a position to succeed/develop. Asking a 20-yo to carry the corpse of RJ Umberger around is a tough thing to do.

I guess it kind of opens up the debate about whether this team should be prioritizing winning the next game over long-term goals/development right now. I'm a firm believer that it should be the latter.

- Tomahawk

I don't see those two things as mutually exclusive. The Florida Panthers have 6 guys on entry level deals this season. (I believe that's what they said last night) Yesterday the GM said he'd like to get 4 of his rookies on the roster for next season.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jan 27 @ 2:44 PM ET
they are 7 points from a spot and 5 points from the worse record. they have to leap like 6 teams. is there anything about this team that makes you think they can be this year's Ottawa? with that bottom 6?
- nastyflyergirl

Ummmmm... the Flyers? They aren't doing squat.

I was talking about the Phantoms. It's a little easier to go on a run at the AHL level if you get a break or 2.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 27 @ 2:45 PM ET
It's too early for that. When the time comes, if they are realistically out of it, there will be plenty of time to shift focus to long term development of players.
- MJL



my wanting Weal or another kid in for Umberger or Gagner is for the now because I just don't think they are effective on this team.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 27 @ 2:45 PM ET
You're gonna love it when they sign him this summer in UFA.
- Tomahawk


I changed my seats because watching him turn over the puck and it end up behind our goalie wasn't good for my health...
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 27 @ 2:46 PM ET
Ummmmm... the Flyers? They aren't doing squat.

I was talking about the Phantoms. It's a little easier to go on a run at the AHL level if you get a break or 2.

- mayorofangrytown



oh my misunderstanding, thought you meant the Flyers
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jan 27 @ 2:46 PM ET
is Umberger contributing to winning?
- nastyflyergirl


...a top 3 pick
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 27 @ 2:47 PM ET
my wanting Weal or another kid in for Umberger or Gagner is for the now because I just don't think they are effective on this team.
- nastyflyergirl



I understand that.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 27 @ 2:47 PM ET
I changed my seats because watching him turn over the puck and it end up behind our goalie wasn't good for my health...
- dragonoffrost


Not sure who you're talking about.
Luke Schenn?
Nick Schultz?
Radko Gudas?
Brandon Manning?
Bruno Gervais?
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 27 @ 2:50 PM ET
Not sure who you're talking about.
Luke Schenn?
Nick Schultz?
Radko Gudas?
Brandon Manning?
Bruno Gervais?

- jmatchett383


COBURN and CARLE the dynamic duo, before all those you named... It's much safer on the offensive zone first and third period...
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 27 @ 2:51 PM ET
they are 7 points from a spot and 5 points from the worse record. they have to leap like 6 teams. is there anything about this team that makes you think they can be this year's Ottawa? with that bottom 6?
- nastyflyergirl


I thought he was talking about the Phantoms.

I agree with you about the Flyers. The season is half over. We know what they are, and a playoff team isn't it.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jan 27 @ 2:52 PM ET
Would also like to see those young players being put in a position to succeed/develop. Asking a 20-yo to carry the corpse of RJ Umberger around is a tough thing to do.

I guess it kind of opens up the debate about whether this team should be prioritizing winning the next game over long-term goals/development right now. I'm a firm believer that it should be the latter.

- Tomahawk


Coots was the same age last season as Laughton is this season. And he didn't play with a healthy Read and relatively healthy (as in not currently undergoing putrefaction) Umberger. He played with a hobbled Read and the Sloth man from Se7en. And they didn't play as the sheltered 4th. They played as the second most minutes shutdown line. Let that sink in.



My god. I'm scared...someone hold me.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jan 27 @ 2:57 PM ET
you got that right!
- 3flyerkids






(frank)in homerun!
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 27 @ 2:58 PM ET
Remember when the flyers had all those games in hand last year?
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 27 @ 3:00 PM ET
Remember when the flyers had all those games in hand last year?
- Just5



games in hand don't help too much when you lose said games in hand.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jan 27 @ 3:01 PM ET
Would also like to see those young players being put in a position to succeed/develop. Asking a 20-yo to carry the corpse of RJ Umberger around is a tough thing to do.

I guess it kind of opens up the debate about whether this team should be prioritizing winning the next game over long-term goals/development right now. I'm a firm believer that it should be the latter.

- Tomahawk


Laughton is 21 and his GF% and CF% actually get worse when you take Umberger away from him. And I don't think RJ is causing him to only win 41.6% of his faceoffs.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 27 @ 3:02 PM ET
Remember when the flyers had all those games in hand last year?
- Just5

no remind us please
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 27 @ 3:05 PM ET
Laughton is 21 and his GF% and CF% actually get worse when you take Umberger away from him. And I don't think RJ is causing him to only win 41.6% of his faceoffs.
- Feanor


oh crap there's that structure RJ provides.... we're stuck with RJ!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 27 @ 3:12 PM ET
they are 7 points from a spot and 5 points from the worse record. they have to leap like 6 teams. is there anything about this team that makes you think they can be this year's Ottawa? with that bottom 6?
- nastyflyergirl



They're likely first round fodder for Washington if they got in. That doesn't change that Hextall is not going to abandon the playoff chase too early. He owes that to players such as Giroux, Voracek, Streit, Schultz, etc. They're playoff hopes are slim now, when it becomes clear that it's not going to happen, then he can fairly start to make some changes, and integrate some youth for the stretch run of the regular season.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jan 27 @ 3:16 PM ET
Laughton is 21 and his GF% and CF% actually get worse when you take Umberger away from him. And I don't think RJ is causing him to only win 41.6% of his faceoffs.
- Feanor


RJ's numbers go down too away from Laughton. Worse than Laughts' actually. Much of Laughton's time away has been with VDV and White. RJ's sample away is 1/3 that of Laughton's too, and much of his time away has been with White too. Their WoWY don't reveal all that much using each other. Two poor possession players playing with equally poor players away from each other. You know what I learn from their WoWY? Man, Matt Read is terrific.

Laughton is a poor possession player. No two ways about it. He's also young, has room to grow, and has shown plus scoring and skating ability. With Read, his possession numbers are in plus territory. That leads me to believe that playing with another capable player can give them decent enough numbers. I am a move-him-to-wing fan, but it's because of more than just his faceoff numbers. If he did everything else right, that poop gets mitigated. White is a great faceoff man, puts up poor possession numbers. Because he's just a poor possession player -- even if they win a faceoff. Laughton's faceoffs are near the bottom of why I want him moved to wing tbh. Poor def acumen and inability to control the game flow are more glaring to me.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 27 @ 3:18 PM ET
RJ's numbers go down too away from Laughton. Worse than Laughts' actually.
- Mononoke


They need each other!

mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Jan 27 @ 3:27 PM ET
Hextall after last years trades...

Hextall loved that the return on his two traded veterans was very high, but he says that he was reluctant to totally tear apart a Flyers club that will go into Tuesday's home game against the Calgary Flames six points out of a playoff spot.

"I like the moves that we made," Hextall said. "I think we're in a good spot. I think we left our team in a spot where we can continue to battle for the playoffs. We could have depleted the troops here, and we didn't choose to do that. We want to give them a fair shot. In saying that, I told you guys before we weren't going to trade picks or young players to try to get into the playoffs, but also we're not going to trade away pieces that take us right out of there. So we're happy with where we're at right now."
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