wait, so do I understand correctly that Mark Streit is NOT in the HOF?
- BulliesPhan87

No, because he never scored 30 goals. Then again, neither did Patrick Roy and he's in there.

Yes. Yes you are!! You brought upvthe names to make your point!
- SuperSchennBros

Okay. I am not comparing.

I was stating that its okay to be elite without being a great scorer. I was showing EXAMPLES of guys who were not goal scorers over their careers.

God dammit, why am I still trying?

Thing about Gostisbehre is he can uncork a shot for not a huge guy.

I don't think Sanheim has that cannon.
- J35Bacher

True. However, Sanheim is the better skater of the 2. The kid can flat out fly.

We could very easily close this debate with a Jake Voracek HERO chart, and then spend countless pages arguing the merit of a HERO chart.
- jmatchett383

oh dear god, please no.

True. However, Sanheim is the better skater of the 2. The kid can flat out fly.
- BiggE

I reallly think he is gonna have a J-Bo like production level.

True. However, Sanheim is the better skater of the 2. The kid can flat out fly.
- BiggE

that's pretty freakin' sweet then

Now if Provorov, Morin and Sanheim would just get here, we'd actually have a quality D.
- BiggE

How many of them will ever score 30 goals, thereby making them elite?

I reallly think he is gonna have a J-Bo like production level.
- jak521

If he can be as all around solid and play in all situations like J-Bo, I'd be happy.

Other than Kane, which RWers are elite and which RWers are better than Jake?
- PhillySportsGuy

According to Hakstal, Chris Vandevelde.

How many of them will ever score 30 goals, thereby making them elite?
- jmatchett383

Meh, they are d-men.

D-men are graded on the number of hits thrown per 12 seconds

I said I was being facetious. I never looked it up because....


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WAIT FOR IT......

WAIIITTTT FOOORRR ITTTTTT...


I, JAK521, AM NOT COMPARING THE TWO PLAYERS!
- jak521

Jak, its really stupid of you to be comparing Foppa to Jake

I was being facetious.


Here I will try this one last time.

I.
I am.
I am not.
I am not comparing.
I am not comparing Jake.
I am not comparing Jake and.
I am not comparing Jake and Peter.
- jak521

Would you, could you, in a box?
Would you, could you, with a fox?

How many of them will ever score 30 goals, thereby making them elite?
- jmatchett383

All kidding aside, Ghost could one day come close. Especially if they ever increase the time of the 3 on 3 OT period to further cut down on breakaways.

No, because he never scored 30 goals. Then again, neither did Patrick Roy and he's in there.
- jmatchett383

Scott Hartnell scored over 30 goals once, I'd like to insert him into the elite conversation

Meh, they are d-men.

D-men are graded on the number of hits thrown per 12 seconds
- jak521

"shot blocking!! dammit, nothing matters as much as (frank)ing shot blocking!!"
-John Tortorella

If he can be as all around solid and play in all situations like J-Bo, I'd be happy.
- BiggE

I keep hearing the McDonagh and Duncan Keith comparisons, but I think he is more J-Bo.

Maybe J-bo with more flair?

Would you, could you, in a box?
Would you, could you, with a fox?
- jmatchett383

I said I was being facetious. I never looked it up because....


WAIT FOR IT....


WAIT FOR IT......

WAIIITTTT FOOORRR ITTTTTT...


I, JAK521, AM NOT COMPARING THE TWO PLAYERS!
- jak521

So you're comparing Jak521 to Adam Oates?

Yeah, my best guess on who is gone is:

Medvedev is not re-signed after this season and either Streit or Schultz, more likely Schultz due to his relatively low cap hit, is moved before next season. That would leave them starting 16-17 with a top 6 of: Streit, MDZ, Gudas (I think he gets re-signed), Ghost, Provorov and AMac, with either Alt or Manning as the #7. I think that during the season Streit will be moved and his spot will go to Morin. However, if they don't think they want to spend the $$$ to re-sign him, they could move MDZ and keep Streit to be a mentor to the kids.

Hopefully, after 16-17, they will be able to deal AMac (with some likely salary retention) and that will open up another roster spot for someone, likely to be Sanheim.
- BiggE

All believable, but here is mine.

Medvedev is traded unless the Flyers have a significant injury or make it back into playoff position towards the end of Feb. I have to hope someone would take him if the plan is to just let him walk anyway.

Streit is around until next seasons TDL. I was pretty certain of this, but the Flyers play while he was out make me less certain. He could be moved tomorrow and I would be happy.

Schultz is similar to Streit, but I think someone would take him.

AMac I think gets drafted by Las Vegas

Gudas is resigned as well as Manning...they are the two that need to be 6/7 guys for me

MDZ I think is emerging as the veteran leader of the defense. I hope he stays throughout the transition

Likelihood to be moved soonest to latest: Medvedev, Schultz, Manning (to waivers), Streit, AMac, Gudas, MDZ

HERO charts are so out. We need a WARRIOR chart comparing Jake to all these players
- BulliesPhan87

Kimmo Timonen wins the WARRIOR chart.

"SHOT BLOCKING!! DAMMIT, NOTHING MATTERS AS MUCH AS (frank)ING SHOT BLOCKING!!"
-John Tortorella
- BiggE

FTFY

I keep hearing the McDonagh and Duncan Keith comparisons, but I think he is more J-Bo.

Maybe J-bo with more flair?
- jak521

Well if he turns into Duncan Keith that would be well beyond awesome. We'll just have to wait and see. All I know for sure is that he is big, still filling out, has great reach, skates like the wind and is very highly skilled. It's a pretty good start!

Yeah, my best guess on who is gone is:

Medvedev is not re-signed after this season and either Streit or Schultz, more likely Schultz due to his relatively low cap hit, is moved before next season. That would leave them starting 16-17 with a top 6 of: Streit, MDZ, Gudas (I think he gets re-signed), Ghost, Provorov and AMac, with either Alt or Manning as the #7. I think that during the season Streit will be moved and his spot will go to Morin. However, if they don't think they want to spend the $$$ to re-sign him, they could move MDZ and keep Streit to be a mentor to the kids.

Hopefully, after 16-17, they will be able to deal AMac (with some likely salary retention) and that will open up another roster spot for someone, likely to be Sanheim.
- BiggE

I think Medvedev is moved at the TDL no matter where they are. Has a skillset teams could use but just don't see him being resigned.

I could see Streit moved if they get a good offer. If not probably next TDL.

Schultz could be moved if they get a good offer.

So you're comparing Jak521 to Adam Oates?
- jmatchett383

What do you think the A stand for in JAK?