Oh I gotcha...still that's a ton of money for three 30 year old vets that are slipping. Weber is brutal but he's only like 1 mil brutal. Yandle is like 5.5 for five more years isn't he? So 5.5 for yandle 4 for hamhuis and 6 mil for Edler. 15.5 mil for that bunch....yeah no thanks.
- Bullfrog77

Signing them to trade them down the road.

Signing them to trade them down the road.
- Pres.cup

Because were having such success trading out underperforming 30 something vets that we had to take out an add in every media outlet in North America ...find no takers and waive to the minors? Seems like a lot of trouble. Why not just give a younger cheaper guy a try?

Because were having such success trading out underperforming 30 something vets that we had to take out an add in every media outlet in North America ...find no takers and waive to the minors? Seems like a lot of trouble. Why not just give a younger cheaper guy a try?
- Bullfrog77

Nothing to spend money on for the next 2 years.
big money coming of the books the next 2 years.
may as well get some new blood that we can sell the old.
assets, buy them with money, sell them for picks.

Nothing to spend money on for the next 2 years.
big money coming of the books the next 2 years.
may as well get some new blood that we can sell the old.
assets, buy them with money, sell them for picks.
- Pres.cup

Your not gonna be able to flog yandle off with 5 more years at 5.5 and he's like 31 now. I'd only consider yandle if we moved Edler first. Hammer I'd be ok resigning after we trade him...but if he wants 4 years it's 3,3,2 ,2mil. He won't sign for that. But I'd offer it just for his mentorship.

Your not gonna be able to flog yandle off with 5 more years at 5.5 and he's like 31 now. I'd only consider yandle if we moved Edler first. Hammer I'd be ok resigning after we trade him...but if he wants 4 years it's 3,3,2 ,2mil. He won't sign for that. But I'd offer it just for his mentorship.
- Bullfrog77

Yandle is 29, same age as edler.
3.5 years into a 5 x 5.5 contract he'll be 31 with 1.5. yrs left. keep a half million and sell a top 4 player for a second ++++, done and done.
Yandle would be edlers replacement, but we wouldn't trade edler for two more years.

So were gonna be down with Phoenix right? I can't have a rational conversation with logic like this.
- Bullfrog77

So true!!

RHD. Two free agents to consider for RHD this year could be Gryba and Polak for the number 6 spot.

Polak is more expensive around 2-5 to 3 mil range. Gryba should be about 1.5 . Both are D type players don't add much to the offensive game. Adds some toughness.

You could even still afford the smaller steady Biega who plays with his heart.

It would be a stop gap for two years until we develop higher end Dmen

All the talk yesterday about Edler, the idea is to stabilize the D for now and when you get the chance upgrade your top two.

Yandle is 29, same age as edler.
3.5 years into a 5 x 5.5 contract he'll be 31 with 1.5. yrs left. keep a half million and sell a top 4 player for a second ++++, done and done.
Yandle would be edlers replacement, but we wouldn't trade edler for two more years.
- Pres.cup

So basically an elder for yandle swap but more expensive? And how does make the Canucks better? No thanks, keep dreaming....

RHD. Two free agents to consider for RHD this year could be Gryba and Polak for the number 6 spot.

Polak is more expensive around 2-5 to 3 mil range. Gryba should be about 1.5 . Both are D type players don't add much to the offensive game. Adds some toughness.

You could even still afford the smaller steady Biega who plays with his heart.

It would be a stop gap for two years until we develop higher end Dmen

All the talk yesterday about Edler, the idea is to stabilize the D for now and when you get the chance upgrade your top two.
- VANTEL

As many people had griped about JBs signings, I like how he's operating: like you said, find some stop gaps for maybe a bit higher cap hit but shorter term, so that the young guys can develop a bit before outplaying the stop gap guys. It keeps the team competitive while having kids in the pipeline to come in as upgrades. He's proved to be a pretty good judger of talent thus far both in drafts and signings, and I think his plan will all come together in 2-3 years.

Canucks will have about 15-17 mil in cap space with most roster spots taken , I hate the idea of bringing back Hamhuis at 4 mil for 2 years.

Elder Sbisa and Hutton use up about 10 mil of the cap space for the left side. Now you want to add another four-5 mil . You need to move either Edler or Sbisa before adding that salary. You are already paying someone to fill that spot/salary.

Benning needs to get creative. The right hand side is the spot where we only have two players not 3 or 4.

I think the amount of high end D this year is nil, I would find a stop gap D , with my eyes ready to pull the trigger at any time to make a deal if it helps the club.

Edler 5 mil Tanev 4.45
Hutton .896. Polak 2.8
Sbisa 3.6. Gryba 1.5
Pedan .900 Biega 1.0

Just around the twenty mil mark allows you to keep about 10 mil in space to pull the trigger on a big move.

Thank God only two more years on Sbisa. His salary is too high for what he does

Yandle is 29, same age as edler.
3.5 years into a 5 x 5.5 contract he'll be 31 with 1.5. yrs left. keep a half million and sell a top 4 player for a second ++++, done and done.
Yandle would be edlers replacement, but we wouldn't trade edler for two more years.
- Pres.cup

Yandle hell no. If you think Yandle is a better option than Edler youre on glue. He isn't even on the top 4 in depth in NY.

So basically an elder for yandle swap but more expensive? And how does make the Canucks better? No thanks, keep dreaming....
- chompsey

Yeah not a good trade off at all.

So it would seem....everyone is more interested in smart ass comments then a real discussion.
- Bullfrog77

Edler.

Discuss.

This edler talk is ridiculous hes fine.

Move Vrabata for hopefully a first probably a second.

Either trade Hammy for a 1st

Id like to see shattenkrik for shinkaruk and say hutton

Throw decent money at Goligoski and we have our puck mover

If we draft outside 5 Id like to see us also pick Chychrun or Juolevi

De is fine for next 7 years

Tanev Edler Goligoski Shattenkirk Sbisa Biega whatever not horrible.

Killer money to Stamkos and we look fine never gonna happen but that's my idea

This edler talk is ridiculous hes fine.

Move Vrabata for hopefully a first probably a second.

Either trade Hammy for a 1st

Id like to see shattenkrik for shinkaruk and say hutton

Throw decent money at Goligoski and we have our puck mover

If we draft outside 5 Id like to see us also pick Chychrun or Juolevi

De is fine for next 7 years

Tanev Edler Goligoski Shattenkirk Sbisa Biega whatever not horrible.

Killer money to Stamkos and we look fine never gonna happen but that's my idea
- The_Kuze

You won't get Shattinkirk for Hutton and Shink. He would cost Edler or Tanev.

Gogigoski won't make it to the FA market

I'll put this another way, maximizing the vets the way you want isn't going to improve things, it'll set us back a lot longer. I'm sure JB and TL and FA discussed this back when they were hired. I'm telling you that you would be making the on-ice product much worse and there would be consequences to that, that goes beyond what would happen on the ice. This market is not able to bear the type of overt bottoming out that Edmonton or Buffalo or Toronto is attempting at this point. FA is not Rogers who owns all 4 sports franchises in Toronto and has a fanbase that is 10x the size that the Canucks could have in the Lower Mainland, let alone BC and still would make a profit even if the Air Canada Center was mostly empty (which it won't because their season ticket wait list is thousands of names long). This market over the years has shown that it is the most fickle of all the 7 Canadian teams and only supports it when it is doing good and stays away when it is not. If the team starts becoming unprofitable, there is the risk of the team being sold to an owner that would not be willing to spend to the cap or keep the team here if it could be moved to somewhere better like the Grizzlies were.
- DariusKnight

I'm sorry Darius, but this is a load of crap!! Maximizing the value of our veterans has been, over the years, one of the two reasons the Canucks have been any good, the other is drafting near the bottom to acquire the Sedins, Linden, Nedved etc.

How do you think the organization got the likes of Bertuzzi, McCabe, Jovanovski, Ruutu, Luongo, Greg Adams, Kirk McLean, Ronning, Momesso, Mogilny, Courtnall, Courtnall, Jeff Brown, Brendan Morrison, Hedican ....... The list goes on and on!!

Trading veteran players like Sundstrom, Linden, Bertuzzi, Quinn, Butcher, Peca, Mogilny, Bure etc. brought all the guys above. Maximizing veterans value, while they still have it, is good asset management practices.

Also, the market in Vancouver has survived many years of poor teams, as I said, it's one of two reasons they've been any good over the years, today's fans, as a general statement are plugged into this. You can't be good without first being bad and getting some good picks.

You either have a bad or mediocre team because you never get the good picks, which means you tread water for years on end, the fans ultimately stay away because they can see the forest for the trees OR you get a few picks by accepting being bad for a few years, which the fans will also probably stay away from, but you eventually rise because you've selected well and surrounded you're younger players with quality veterans.

At which point the fans come back!

I'm sorry Darius, but this is a load of crap!! Maximizing the value of our veterans has been, over the years, one of the two reasons the Canucks have been any good, the other is drafting near the bottom to acquire the Sedins, Linden, Nedved etc.

How do you think the organization got the likes of Bertuzzi, McCabe, Jovanovski, Ruutu, Luongo, Greg Adams, Kirk McLean, Ronning, Momesso, Mogilny, Courtnall, Courtnall, Jeff Brown, Brendan Morrison, Hedican ....... The list goes on and on!!

Trading veteran players like Sundstrom, Linden, Bertuzzi, Quinn, Butcher, Peca, Mogilny, Bure etc. brought all the guys above. Maximizing veterans value, while they still have it, is good asset management practices.

Also, the market in Vancouver has survived many years of poor teams, as I said, it's one of two reasons they've been any good over the years, today's fans, as a general statement are plugged into this. You can't be good without first being bad and getting some good picks.

You either have a bad or mediocre team because you never get the good picks, which means you tread water for years on end, the fans ultimately stay away because they can see the forest for the trees OR you get a few picks by accepting being bad for a few years, which the fans will also probably stay away from, but you eventually rise because you've selected well and surrounded you're younger players with quality veterans.

At which point the fans come back!
- LeftCoaster

I believe that more and more fans are embracing the draft just as much as they are winning. Only a few teams can compete to win , but any team can compete to lose.

Fans these days are just as interested about building the future of the franchise as they are about winning the cup.

Last year in a late game between the Sabres and the Yotes, the home fans were booing every time their team scored.

The highlighted events of the year are
Winning the Cup
Draft Day
Trade Deadline Day.
Free Agency Day

We are halfway through the year and fans everywhere are more concerned about the draft than winning the cup.

This is a New NHL and a new era of fans

I believe that more and more fans are embracing the draft just as much as they are winning. Only a few teams can compete to win , but any team can compete to lose.

Fans these days are just as interested about building the future of the franchise as they are about winning the cup.

Last year in a late game between the Sabres and the Yotes, the home fans were booing every time their team scored.

The highlighted events of the year are
Winning the Cup
Draft Day
Trade Deadline Day.

We are halfway through the year and fans everywhere are more concerned about the draft than winning the cup.

This is a New NHL and a new era of fans
- VANTEL

Because of the Internet era I believe the fans of today are much more "switched on". Professional sports is in the business of entertaining, in order to be the best entertainer you must be able to get your hands on the best product, which is done by drafting well in a cap world.

Trading your veteran players is still so very important to franchises in that it speeds up the building process. Bo Horvat is a prime example of that! He was acquired by trading a valuable asset for a top pick.

Jared McCann is also a prime example of trading a veteran player for a good pick. Two of the three excellent young players currently on the team are a product of asset management, not finishing near the bottom of the league.

That's you're opinion. Any one can step up and surprise you don't know any of that. Wha we do know ....were at the bottom with him.
- Bullfrog77

ANd how many of edmontons #1 OA picks stepped up and got them out of the doghouse? none?

ANd how many of edmontons #1 OA picks stepped up and got them out of the doghouse? none?
- Retinalz

You guys really need to stop with this Oilers bullpoop, they were really poorly managed, there's a ton more examples of teams picking high that had success than there is teams not being successful.

One example of a poorly managed team does not make it a bad plan!! EVERY team, recent or historically, that's won a cup has done so with top picks....fact.

Because of the Internet era I believe the fans of today are much more "switched on". Professional sports is in the business of entertaining, in order to be the best entertainer you must be able to get your hands on the best product, which is done by drafting well in a cap world.

Trading your veteran players is still so very important to franchises in that it speeds up the building process. Bo Horvat is a prime example of that! He was acquired by trading a valuable asset for a top pick.
- LeftCoaster

You are damn right about all of this.

About 8 teams every year have a chance to win it all. You may get a fluke year that a dark horse slips in to win.

This is business. As you said provide an entertaining product. We admitted last year we would rather lose with young players than see us be a bubble team with the same old same old.

The thing we have all talked about right from the get go is this year's draft. We knew we were not going to compete for the cup. Even now if I asked you are you more interested to see how many goals Burrows gets in 2017 or who we draft in 2017 ,it would not even be a close poll.
Vancouver now or very soon will have a fun team to watch. Not only all the players under 23 but guys like Sutter and Hansen .

If the Canucks were bottom three I don't think fans would be jumping off the wagon , they would spend the year strategizing just as we did this year.
I think in the summer and/or next year , you need to look at the two pieces that will get you a huge return . I don't mean Hamhuis or Edler either. The tides are changing.

ANd how many of edmontons #1 OA picks stepped up and got them out of the doghouse? none?
- Retinalz

Hawks and Kings are building a dynasty because they got some great picks , some savy trades and turned over every rock to find talent like what the Hawks did this year finding that Russian player.

Oilers could have a very dominat team for years with a couple of right moves.

Brock Boeser leads @TheNCHC freshmen in points (29), pts/gm (1.16), goals (17), goals/gm (0.68), plus/minus (+26) and shots on goal (88).

Needs to improve his skating but

Torres clears waivers


Whew

I'm not saying they need top three picks to be successful, it'd sure help, but they need a few more quality top 10 picks....the higher the better but just make good selections.