Nothing of value? We have a lot of value to sell.

- A regular 20 goal scorer in Ennis

- A serviceable backup in Johnson

- A serviceable 7th defenseman in Weber

- A good gritty player who can score in McGinn

- A tough veteran in Legwand

- A tough hard noises bottom 6 guy in Foligno

- A PP QB in Franson

- A good shot blocking machine and shutdown type defenseman in Gorges

Tonnes of pieces we can move.
- Jammerz04

Ennis has barely played this year, and his value is at an all time low, not a good time to trade.

Weber, Legwand, and Johnson will not net anything more than a couple of 5ths.

Gorges has too much term for a team to acquire at the deadline.

I don't see them moving either of Foligno or Franson.

Which really only leaves McGinn, and if we're lucky we get a 2nd, but we most likely get a 3rd.

Goalies are always late bloomers. I'm talking players. Your not finding those guys in 5-7 rounds these days. Not with the scouting we have nowadays. But that's my opinion.
- Jammerz04

And your opinion is pure poop!!

Just kidding (obviously)

Thought I'd start looking and found this gem:

Ondrej Palat: 2011 7th round, pick 208 overall (only 3 players taken after him in the entire draft). 199 GP, 45/94 139 points

not too shabby. They're just going to be super rare. I started looking in 2012, figure a few years back to give players some time to develop. So far I've only found him and Shaw (Hawks) as regular NHLers.

Looking at Round 5 and later, those 2 mentioned, and just found 3 more in 2010 (Brendan Gallagher, John Klingberg and Mark Stone (Stone drafted by Ottawa - was Murray key??? hmmmm

These players aren't gonna wow you as 1st line studs, but still above average NHLers found late.

Goalies are always late bloomers. I'm talking players. Your not finding those guys in 5-7 rounds these days. Not with the scouting we have nowadays. But that's my opinion.
- Jammerz04

Goalies aren't always late bloomers though. Fleury was a #1 pick. Price was a 5th overall pick. It's not as black and white.

And last I checked, goalies were players too.

SELLERS,,

HANDS DOWN...

The Sabres are still rebuilding. They still need scoring (Mostly on the wing) and defense. There is no better way to get that then the draft; especially for a young team like ours. We do not need anymore mistake contracts. Tkachuck, Laine, Puljujarvi, Chychrun and Matthews would be huge for the Sabres.

Players to get rid of hopefully by deadline....

Ennis
Moulson
Weber
Johnson
McGinn
Gorges
Legwand
Franson
Foligno
- Jammerz04

Get rid of 9 players and then when we're in the same position next year wonder why. I want to sell but you can't lose half of your team in one trade deadline. Moulson won't go anywhere without a miracle. Foligno most likely won't if he keeps playing well on the 3rd-4th line. Legwand, Franson, and Johnson aren't getting you anything. Ennis and McGinn and maybe Gorges if someone is desperate are your only real options.

again I look for young players with upside to bring in

briere type trades

and dump dump dump about 7 or 8 current guys, if I can
- homiedclown

Although I am in agreement with this, there is no way players like Gionta, Moulson and maybe Gorges get moved. Murray wanted experienced NHL players in here, dont see that changing overnight.

I agree for a video game it is a fine move, but not really in this scenario, due to the way Murray wanted to build the team.

No to mention, very few teams would take those players (I bet Gorges has most value of those players)

Ennis has barely played this year, and his value is at an all time low, not a good time to trade.

Weber, Legwand, and Johnson will not net anything more than a couple of 5ths.

Gorges has too much term for a team to acquire at the deadline.

I don't see them moving either of Foligno or Franson.

Which really only leaves McGinn, and if we're lucky we get a 2nd, but we most likely get a 3rd.
- Mentalorgasm5

Ennis' value is low, but I don't think it's pennies on the dollar low. I think a team that wants scoring will still value what he's done over the last few years even with this being a terrible year for him. Just my $0.02

Although I am in agreement with this, there is no way players like Gionta, Moulson and maybe Gorges get moved. Murray wanted experienced NHL players in here, dont see that changing overnight.

I agree for a video game it is a fine move, but not really in this scenario, due to the way Murray wanted to build the team.

No to mention, very few teams would take those players (I bet Gorges has most value of those players)
- Lilroot9

If Murray could find a way to move Moulson I'm thinking he does it, no matter what his idea was for building the team. I don't know what happened to him but he's completely fallen off, even from when he was in Buffalo and not next to JT. I get droughts, but this is something else.

Yet people seem to dismiss the multiple draft picks he's seemingly traded away
- sbroads24

Some people also forget that an NHL franchise can only carry a finite set of contracts, so at some point, many, many picks serve no purpose.

And your opinion is pure poop!!

Just kidding (obviously)

Thought I'd start looking and found this gem:

Ondrej Palat: 2011 7th round, pick 208 overall (only 3 players taken after him in the entire draft). 199 GP, 45/94 139 points

not too shabby. They're just going to be super rare. I started looking in 2012, figure a few years back to give players some time to develop. So far I've only found him and Shaw (Hawks) as regular NHLers.

Looking at Round 5 and later, those 2 mentioned, and just found 3 more in 2010 (Brendan Gallagher, John Klingberg and Mark Stone (Stone drafted by Ottawa - was Murray key??? hmmmm

These players aren't gonna wow you as 1st line studs, but still above average NHLers found late.
- stashu

….Joe Pavelski

Ennis' value is low, but I don't think it's pennies on the dollar low. I think a team that wants scoring will still value what he's done over the last few years even with this being a terrible year for him. Just my $0.02
- Zschalberg

Maybe not pennies, but right now it's probably nickels. It's not good. At all. It's why Murray has received so many calls on him. It's because the vultures are circling. They think that because he's having a bad season they can get him a lot cheaper than normal.

Some people also forget that an NHL franchise can only carry a finite set of contracts, so at some point, many, many picks serve no purpose.
- Der Kaiser

I've said that before too. I'd hate to lose a guy because we were at our limit and couldn't offer him a contract.

I've said that before too. I'd hate to lose a guy because we were at our limit and couldn't offer him a contract.
- HonkFortheGoose

I believe we're at 46 now…or mid-40's at least. the limit is 50. Thats why when everyone female doges about "wasting all those picks" there's no logical reasoning to keep them unless they stayed in college or juniors for several more years . Otherwise we would have a contract problem on our hands.
But I guess those same people wonder why we don't trade Kaleta for Patrick Kane.

Your delusional. Yah those were pretty great late picks but with today's scouts so and and so forth you will never see another hall of Famer drafted in those rounds
- Jammerz04

Really? Delusional? It's only crappy players drafted late like Jamie Benn in the 5th, Palat in the 7th, Pavelski in the 7th, or goalies like Rinne and Lundqvist in the 7th.

Would you look at that? There's another future HOF player drafted in the 7th, and that was after Zetterberg and Datsyuk, too. And there's an Art Ross winner in there as well.

It doesn't have to be a HOF player to make a difference. It's certainly uncommon, but GMs can still find quality NHL players that will make significant contributions to their team in the later rounds.

I believe we're at 46 now…or mid-40's at least. the limit is 50. Thats why when everyone female doges about "wasting all those picks" there's no logical reasoning to keep them unless they stayed in college or juniors for several more years . Otherwise we would have a contract problem on our hands.
But I guess those same people wonder why we don't trade Kaleta for Patrick Kane.
- seedy

When they started the rebuild, it was said many, many times that they were going to stock up on as many picks/players as possible. They then said they were going to turn the quantity into quality, which is what Murray feels he's done. The O'Reilly trade definitely looks that way. The Kane/Bogosian trade is a bit more up in the air right now.

Really? Delusional? It's only crappy players drafted late like Jamie Benn in the 5th, Palat in the 7th, Pavelski in the 7th, or goalies like Rinne and Lundqvist in the 7th.

Would you look at that? There's another future HOF player drafted in the 7th, and that was after Zetterberg and Datsyuk, too. And there's an Art Ross winner in there as well.

It doesn't have to be a HOF player to make a difference. It's certainly uncommon, but GMs can still find quality NHL players that will make significant contributions to their team in the later rounds.
- JetpackJesus

He meant something you own is delusional
(*Your*)
it's cool. we all own something that is delusional…like a pet….or a blender.

He meant something you own is delusional
(*Your*)
it's cool. we all own something that is delusional…like a pet….or a blender.
- seedy

My left eye socket is delusional.

I hope Weber isn't moved but I can see a team firmly in the playoffs wanting his services for a playoff push to be a solid 3rd paring, penalty killing dman.
I'd love to see Weber signed in the off season to a 3 year, 4 and one half million dollar contract.

STILL no Ennis.. at least tell us the injury

My left eye socket is delusional.
- jochfr

See? (no pun intended)

Some people also forget that an NHL franchise can only carry a finite set of contracts, so at some point, many, many picks serve no purpose.
- Der Kaiser

I would like to see Murray's still get as many picks as he can so he can trade up with a team that might just be starting a rebuild. I think I would be advantageous for a G.M. in the first year of what will be a 3-4 year rebuild to load up on picks in rounds 3-7 as they can, even if it cost you your second round pick or a decent prospect. If you can make 12-13 picks at the draft of year one of your rebuild, then by the time you get to where the Sabres are now, you should have found a few gems in that pile, the rest you can let go. It would be nice to see Murray flip two of our three 3rd round picks and maybe our extra 5th rounder along with a UFA, for a prospect that they see potential in, kinda like what he did scoring Fashing.

STILL no Ennis.. at least tell us the injury
- yen6d1

I have to say, between him and Moulson, i assume management expected about 20 goals a piece out of them. What a different looking team we would be in the standings if we had 20-ish more goals 50 games in right now.
What a mess. It sucks how something like 2 players can completely change a teams course. Especially with so many close games this year. Even eeking out a point to get in to OT and then losing could have gotten us a little further up the standings.

Really? Delusional? It's only crappy players drafted late like Jamie Benn in the 5th, Palat in the 7th, Pavelski in the 7th, or goalies like Rinne and Lundqvist in the 7th.

Would you look at that? There's another future HOF player drafted in the 7th, and that was after Zetterberg and Datsyuk, too. And there's an Art Ross winner in there as well.

It doesn't have to be a HOF player to make a difference. It's certainly uncommon, but GMs can still find quality NHL players that will make significant contributions to their team in the later rounds.
- JetpackJesus

Have to agree with your post. It's just too hard to accurately predict how every 18 year old is going to pan out when they're 24. In every draft their will be late bloomers. I just hope we finally found some in guys like Borgen and Esteban, our last late round success story was Foligno and he's no Johnny hockey.

I have to say, between him and Moulson, i assume management expected about 20 goals a piece out of them. What a different looking team we would be in the standings if we had 20-ish more goals 50 games in right now.
What a mess. It sucks how something like 2 players can completely change a teams course. Especially with so many close games this year. Even eeking out a point to get in to OT and then losing could have gotten us a little further up the standings.
- seedy

I have to say, between him and Moulson, i assume management expected about 20 goals a piece out of them. What a different looking team we would be in the standings if we had 20-ish more goals 50 games in right now.
What a mess. It sucks how something like 2 players can completely change a teams course. Especially with so many close games this year. Even eeking out a point to get in to OT and then losing could have gotten us a little further up the standings.
- seedy

Ik many dont believe it but i still have a little faith in moulson. I think Mcginn will be moved and he should have a spot in the top 9. a little structure in the lines could help him out

And your opinion is pure poop!!

Just kidding (obviously)

Thought I'd start looking and found this gem:

Ondrej Palat: 2011 7th round, pick 208 overall (only 3 players taken after him in the entire draft). 199 GP, 45/94 139 points

not too shabby. They're just going to be super rare. I started looking in 2012, figure a few years back to give players some time to develop. So far I've only found him and Shaw (Hawks) as regular NHLers.

Looking at Round 5 and later, those 2 mentioned, and just found 3 more in 2010 (Brendan Gallagher, John Klingberg and Mark Stone (Stone drafted by Ottawa - was Murray key??? hmmmm

These players aren't gonna wow you as 1st line studs, but still above average NHLers found late.
- stashu

Your opinion is complete poop as well

That's the thing players LIKE let me say that again players LIKE Zetterberg and Datsyuk will not be found in those late rounds again. Palats and Stones may pop up but future hall of famers? Umm no.