I wouldn't call it a diss so much as just an observation to be quite honest.
- HonkFortheGoose

They should shelf Carey Price for the season. Although the thought of them getting a top 5 pick in this year's draft doesn't excite me.

Nyquist & Tatar are on Detroit's 3rd line
Wow

I guess I kinda get it...

Line 1 (top scoring line)
Abdelkader-Zetterberg-Larkin

Line 2 (top defensive line)
Helm-Datsyuk-Richards

Line 3 (secondary scoring line)
Tatar-Glendenning-Nyquist

But the 3rd line is only getting like 13min of icetime a game
That's crazy to me

Can't imagine that either of those 3rd line wingers would be available...
But I'd certainly make the call

They should shelf Carey Price for the season. Although the thought of them getting a top 5 pick in this year's draft doesn't excite me.
- buffalofan19

Me either. I kind of feel bad for Condon, because I don't think he's the issue to be quite honest. I think he's a sufficient backup. The team in front of him isn't as good as it seemed and his confidence is now at an all time low as well. It's a recipe for disaster.

Me either. I kind of feel bad for Condon, because I don't think he's the issue to be quite honest. I think he's a sufficient backup. The team in front of him isn't as good as it seemed and his confidence is now at an all time low as well. It's a recipe for disaster.
- HonkFortheGoose

Montreal is currently the Sabres of the Hasek era. Rely on the best goalie in the game to win you a game 2-1.

Their goalie went down, they still score two a game, but the backup lets in 3.

You have nothing. Give it up already. I like how you conveniently don't have anything for any of the other coaches. He doesn't exist in a vacuum.
- Wetbandit1

I'm still indifferent on Bylsma. There are things I like about him and things i don't. To say he's a bad coach though is dumb. When he took over the Pens in 08-09, after they fired Therrien, they were 27-25-5 with 59 pts. Bylsma came in and they go 18-3-4 and go win the Cup. Yes they had great talent but he's got to be some kind of coach to have that happen. I think in some playoff series he was let down by some awful goaltending, not to mention he played a playoff series against Tampa without Crosby or Malkin.

Would I like to see more from him as coach yes, but to call him an awful coach is a major stretch

Montreal is currently the Sabres of the Hasek era. Rely on the best goalie in the game to win you a game 2-1.

Their goalie went down, they still score two a game, but the backup lets in 3.
- ImThatGuy

Condon did well during the first stint earlier in the year. But they need to figure out a way to get some wins or something or they're in serious trouble. I know they traded for Scrivens. Can't possibly hurt to give him a shot for a few games and see if the results are different.

Montreal is currently the Sabres of the Hasek era. Rely on the best goalie in the game to win you a game 2-1.

Their goalie went down, they still score two a game, but the backup lets in 3.
- ImThatGuy

Great comparative. I remember them games.

Stamkos back to playing RW

If he's ok with not playing Center, then I'd ABSOLUTELY go after him as a UFA

The line combos would be pretty nuts...
(Draft pick)-Eichel-Stamkos
Kane-O'Reilly-Reinhart
Girgensons-Larsson-Ennis

U could even put Girgensons back up on the 1st line & the draft pick on the 3rd
Or consider trading that pick for a "top pair" LH defenseman to play with Risto

All this dependent on whether or not Stamkos would be ok playing RW (and that he'd sign here obv)

Montreal is currently the Sabres of the Hasek era. Rely on the best goalie in the game to win you a game 2-1.

Their goalie went down, they still score two a game, but the backup lets in 3.
- ImThatGuy

This isn't true.
I believe through the first 20 or so games of the season the Habs were one of the highest scoring teams in the NHL.
Example? The 7-2 beating they handed us.
It's all confidence or rather, lack there of since Price went down.
Last night to me, the Habs appeared to be the quicker team by far.
At points during the game I remember thinking to myself, we look like we are skating in quicksand compared to them.
They are very aggressive on the forecheck and perhaps that made them appear quicker, not sure.
But to say when Price was in there, that team looked to win games 2-1 when they were the highest scoring team in the league or pretty darned close to it 20 games in, just isn't true.

This isn't true.
I believe through the first 20 or so games of the season the Habs were one of the highest scoring teams in the NHL.
Example? The 7-2 beating they handed us.
It's all confidence or rather, lack there of since Price went down.
Last night to me, the Habs appeared to be the quicker team by far.
At points during the game I remember thinking to myself, we look like we are skating in quicksand compared to them.
They are very aggressive on the forecheck and perhaps that made them appear quicker, not sure.
But to say when Price was in there that team looked to win games 2-1 when they were the highest scoring team in the league or pretty darned close to it 20 games in, just isn't true.
- BuffaloHardHat

Not a great example. The wheels fell off the bus for us in that game big time. By the end of it, our guys were basically just standing out there watching what was going on. A pee wee team could have put 7 up on them at that point.

Not a great example. The wheels fell off the bus for us in that game big time. By the end of it, our guys were basically just standing out there watching was was going on. A pee wee team could have put 7 up on them at that point.
- HonkFortheGoose

Doesn't matter what happened during the game really, they hung 7 on us.
The comparison to Hasek and the Sabres winning 2-1 games is so way off.
Again, the main point was : the Habs were the highest scoring team in the league at the beginning of the season so they weren't looking to win 2-1 games with Price in net.
It's incorrect is all.

This isn't true.
I believe through the first 20 or so games of the season the Habs were one of the highest scoring teams in the NHL.
Example? The 7-2 beating they handed us.
It's all confidence or rather, lack there of since Price went down.
Last night to me, the Habs appeared to be the quicker team by far.
At points during the game I remember thinking to myself, we look like we are skating in quicksand compared to them.
They are very aggressive on the forecheck and perhaps that made them appear quicker, not sure.
But to say when Price was in there, that team looked to win games 2-1 when they were the highest scoring team in the league or pretty darned close to it 20 games in, just isn't true.
- BuffaloHardHat

Since Dec 1. about 30 games. 1.9 Goals per game.

Doesn't matter what happened during the game really, they hung 7 on us.
The comparison to Hasek and the Sabres winning 2-1 games is so way off.
Again, the main point was : the Habs were the highest scoring team in the league at the beginning of the season so they weren't looking to win 2-1 games with Price in net.
It's incorrect is all.
- BuffaloHardHat

The Sabres went on a 10 game winning streak last year, Is it safe to say they were the best team in the league, or were they just on a hot stretch, that you know happens from time to time.

Doesn't matter what happened during the game really, they hung 7 on us.
The comparison to Hasek and the Sabres winning 2-1 games is so way off.
Again, the main point was : the Habs were the highest scoring team in the league at the beginning of the season so they weren't looking to win 2-1 games with Price in net.
It's incorrect is all.
- BuffaloHardHat

It matters a lot. You can't point to one game and say because they hung 7 on us they don't rely on their goaltender to keep them in games that are 2-1 or whatever. It's one game. There are plenty of anomalies in life. Like DD says all the time, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

But, I don't think Montreal is quite the same as that Sabres team when Hasek was here. They have plenty of talent, I think the problem right now is confidence in themselves and their goaltender. Your observations from last nights game were exactly the same as mine.

I think the sluggishness you saw from us by the end of the 1st and then through until the early stages of the 3rd had to do with it being the first game back after the break. They came out flying, hit a wall for a while (which Montreal took advantage of) and then we managed to take advantage of the fact that Montreal hit a wall being that they played the night before.

To be quite honest, I think the issue is coaching and I can't believe they haven't fired Therrien yet.

I do too.

However, this team is a much better team on the road than it is at home.
- buffalofan19

payback for the Phoenix game last season?

It matters a lot. You can't point to one game and say because they hung 7 on us they don't rely on their goaltender to keep them in games that are 2-1 or whatever. It's one game. There are plenty of anomalies in life. Like DD says all the time, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

But, I don't think Montreal is quite the same as that Sabres team when Hasek was here. They have plenty of talent, I think the problem right now is confidence in themselves and their goaltender. Your observations from last nights game were exactly the same as mine.

I think the sluggishness you saw from us by the end of the 1st and then through until the early stages of the 3rd had to do with it being the first game back after the break. They came out flying, hit a wall for a while (which Montreal took advantage of) and then we managed to take advantage of the fact that Montreal hit a wall being that they played the night before.

To be quite honest, I think the issue is coaching and I can't believe they haven't fired Therrien yet.
- HonkFortheGoose

Since Nov 1 - 2.3 goals per game.

Since Dec 1. about 30 games. 1.9 Goals per game.
- ImThatGuy

I believe their scoring is MUCH better with Price in net
Are they playing more defensively & taking less offensive chances to compensate for having their backup in net?
Haven't watched them closely, but at first glance that would be my guess

Since Dec 1. about 30 games. 1.9 Goals per game.
- ImThatGuy

what were they prior to that though... i feel like they were a high scoring team until price went down. probably felt like they could play more open and take chances then when price went down the tightened it up and couldn't score anymore while on their heels

what were they prior to that though... i feel like they were a high scoring team until price went down. probably felt like they could play more open and take chances then when price went down the tightened it up and couldn't score anymore while on their heels
- IndianaSabresFan

October they were on fire. 3.75 goals per game.

Since then,
2.3 from November 1 through today
1.9 from December 1 through today

Since Dec 1. about 30 games. 1.9 Goals per game.
- ImThatGuy

I am well aware of how they have been scoring as of late.
You said when Price was in net.
You made it sound like since the onset of this season the Habs were looking to win games "ala the Sabres with Hasek and win 2-1 games" which just is sooo not true, not even close really.

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When was the last time a Sabre got to diss someone.
- TheSabresTaco

They omitted the part where he said "and we've been there too, where things seem to not go your way all the time." It's less of a diss, more of an observation like someone said. Right now everything is going wrong for the Canadiens.

what were they prior to that though... i feel like they were a high scoring team until price went down.
- IndianaSabresFan

Exactly.
So his comparison to the Sabres and the Hasek days to this years Habs with Price is just wrong.
When they had Price in net they were not looking to win games 2-1.
Far from it!

I am well aware of how they have been scoring as of late.
You said when Price was in net.
You made it sound like since the onset of this season the Habs were looking to win games "ala the Sabres with Hasek and win 2-1 games" which just is sooo not true, not even close really.
- BuffaloHardHat

You do realize that the Sabres also scored in bunches when Hasek was in net correct? Scored 6-7 quite a few times in the 98-99 season.

The Habs play that same style. They may have games where they score a lot, but like the Rangers, the Habs rely on Price to win games.


Also PS - When the Habs beat us 7-2, Condon played, not price....

P.S.S - Montreal Scored 7 and 6 in October, their highest outputs. Condon was in net both times.

what were they prior to that though... i feel like they were a high scoring team until price went down. probably felt like they could play more open and take chances then when price went down the tightened it up and couldn't score anymore while on their heels
- IndianaSabresFan

It was also a smaller sample size and players were hot. They're going back to the way they should be.

It matters a lot.

To be quite honest, I think the issue is coaching and I can't believe they haven't fired Therrien yet.
- HonkFortheGoose

First, thank you for being one of few that realize a lot is 2 words.
Sorry that one just always gets to me.

Second, Therrien speaks French Canadian which if I recall was a big thing when they hired him, or they made a big thing of it.
While saying that, that only goes so far.