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All I care about is one thing. Can you build a cup contending team out of these pieces? I think Murray can, but with the Kane trade, Moulson contract, Lehner trade, it puts doubt in my mind that he's the guy to do it.

You can argue semantics, standings, improvement all you want, but if we aren't on a trajectory from 30th to 1st, it's all meaningless.
- sbroads24

First of all let's hear about how the Kane trade was bad. Which of those guys do you miss? Proven losers like Stafford/Myers or prospects who will never be that good, and are already replaced by our legion of high draft picks?

He had the balls and common sense to do what it took to get Eichel. There's a loophole for getting good in the NHL and NFL called tanking. All it costs you is a few years where you wouldn't have been very good anyway. God I wish the Bills would have done that instead of missing the playoffs 16 years straight.

How about the O'Reilly trade?

Moulson sucks....every GM makes terrible FA moves. We had to get to the floor and He won't affect our long term cap at all. Scored 2 free second rounders for him by the way.

Murray overpays in trades for who he wants without a doubt. I mean Fasching and Lehner better be good. But he does what it takes, and when you have an owner who keeps the payroll at 75 million instead of 55 you can afford to take some swings and misses.

Big budget teams like the Yankees have been doing it for decades because they can, and it works. Drives me crazy but somehow now Buffalo has been blessed with being able to spend 20% more than half the league. Time to Swing for the fences, because we get 4 pitches when most other teams only get 3.

This x10. Edmonton will soon join this.
- Sabresfan-365

Except Edmonton has been fortunate to actually win the lottery and get potentially great players.

We have one.

Show some appreciation for fixed -->God's sake.
- tim212

God has nothing to do with this for one.
Two, you want me to show appreciation for finishing at the bottom of the standings three years in a row now and the talent level 'allegedly' has been elevated/changed by more than 40% as compared to last years tank roster by your (beloved) GM and still sits at the bottom of the standings again ?
Okay?
Got ya.

Like I said, I can't make the horse drink.
I'm not drinking Murray's kool-aid!

First of all let's hear about how the Kane trade was bad. Which of those guys do you miss? Proven losers like Stafford/Myers or prospects who will never be that good, and are already replaced by our legion of high draft picks?

He had the balls and common sense to do what it took to get Eichel. There's a loophole for getting good in the NHL and NFL called tanking. All it costs you is a few years where you wouldn't have been very good anyway. God I wish the Bills would have done that instead of missing the playoffs 16 years straight.

How about the O'Reilly trade?

Moulson sucks....every GM makes terrible FA moves. We had to get to the floor and He won't affect our long term cap at all. Scored 2 free second rounders for him by the way.

Murray overpays in trades for who he wants without a doubt. I mean Fasching and Lehner better be good. But he does what it takes, and when you have an owner who keeps the payroll at 75 million instead of 55 you can afford to take some swings and misses.

Big budget teams like the Yankees have been doing it for decades because they can, and it works. Drives me crazy but somehow now Buffalo has been blessed with being able to spend 20% more than half the league. Time to Swing for the fences, because we get 4 pitches when most other teams only get 3.
- tim212

Please tell me how many playoff games the "proven winners" Kane and Bogosian have been apart of. I'll wait

Except Edmonton has been fortunate to actually win the lottery and get potentially great players.

We have one.
- sbroads24

I meant edmonton as a reference too the teams that stay bad for a long time but everyone forgets how bad they were once they begin dominating. Lottery or not they are in this position because of those years. If i remember correctly Hall and Nuge were obtained by just finishing last (lottery rules different back then).

First of all let's hear about how the Kane trade was bad. Which of those guys do you miss? Proven losers like Stafford/Myers or prospects who will never be that good, and are already replaced by our legion of high draft picks?

He had the balls and common sense to do what it took to get Eichel. There's a loophole for getting good in the NHL and NFL called tanking. All it costs you is a few years where you wouldn't have been very good anyway. God I wish the Bills would have done that instead of missing the playoffs 16 years straight.

How about the O'Reilly trade?

Moulson sucks....every GM makes terrible FA moves. We had to get to the floor and He won't affect our long term cap at all. Scored 2 free second rounders for him by the way.

Murray overpays in trades for who he wants without a doubt. I mean Fasching and Lehner better be good. But he does what it takes, and when you have an owner who keeps the payroll at 75 million instead of 55 you can afford to take some swings and misses.

Big budget teams like the Yankees have been doing it for decades because they can, and it works. Drives me crazy but somehow now Buffalo has been blessed with being able to spend 20% more than half the league. Time to Swing for the fences, because we get 4 pitches when most other teams only get 3.
- tim212

Im sorry but that's a horrible comparison. The Yankees can buy their way out of mistakes, the salary cap prevents any team in the NHL from doing so, whether they are a cap team or not.

He had the balls and common sense to do what it took to get Eichel. .
- tim212

Did he?
I question that.
Some of you give him far to much credit for doing nothing thus far.
Still at the bottom of the standings with all of his 'genius' moves.

Tim....Tim is that you?
If it is, please go back to Ottawa, please!!!

Please tell me how many playoff games the "proven winners" Kane and Bogosian have been apart of. I'll wait
- sbroads24

I meant edmonton as a reference too the teams that stay bad for a long time but everyone forgets how bad they were once they begin dominating. Lottery or not they are in this position because of those years. If i remember correctly Hall and Nuge were obtained by just finishing last (lottery rules different back then).
- Sabresfan-365

Right, but Edmonton also stood their ground and didn't make a ton of moves to get better, which will allow them to keep those players long term

We on the other hand added two 5+ million dollar players, and a guy about to make 7.5 per, and are still at the bottom

Out of curiosity anyone know the duration of Murray's contract? For some reason im thinking 4 years. Which in other words means make the playoffs next year or get fired.
- Sabresfan-365

When pegula bought the team he fawned over the 70s sabres and to a lesser extent the broad street bullies flyers teams. I look at what murray has done- jettisoning darcys anonymous henchmen, and bringing in players better equipped to play spring hockey in the nhl, and i think- he gave whaley an extension and we still may not have our future qb, murray will get extended.

When pegula bought the team he fawned over the 70s sabres and to a lesser extent the broad street bullies flyers teams. I look at what murray has done- jettisoning darcys anonymous henchmen, and bringing in players better equipped to play spring hockey in the nhl, and i think- he gave whaley an extension and we still may not have our future qb, murray will get extended.
- rover16

Not if this teams shats the bed next year he won't.
At least I hope he won't.
If he does, I may have to go female dog slap some sense into Terry myself.
Seen Tim's type too many times in my life, he talks the game but fails to back it up.
I've sent so many Tim's back home with their tails between their legs.
I'd love to send Tim back home to Ottawa myself.

Does anyone think they will retire 30 and 48 or 89? No one has warn them since the player left. Ditto with McKee's 74 All though that's not a popular number nor would McKee fall under the retired number category.

You realize teams look at us and think we are apart of an easy scheduling right?
- sbroads24

Where did you hear this . 14 of our losses are by 1 goal that is not an easy opponent.

Right, but Edmonton also stood their ground and didn't make a ton of moves to get better, which will allow them to keep those players long term

We on the other hand added two 5+ million dollar players, and a guy about to make 7.5 per, and are still at the bottom
- sbroads24

Really? May not have been as flashy but:

Signed prized college FA Schultz (disaster is putting it lightly)
Picks for Talbot
signing fayne/nikitn
Tried to trade 7th pick for Schneider
Perron
Sekera
Griffin Reinhart

Really? May not have been as flashy but:

Signed prized college FA Schultz (disaster is putting it lightly)
Picks for Talbot
signing fayne/nikitn
Tried to trade 7th pick for Schneider
Perron
Sekera
Griffin Reinhart
- Sabresfan-365

And if they would have made the Schneider deal, they'd be an average team without Connor McDavid.

Not if this teams shats the bed next year he won't.
At least I hope he won't.
If he does, I may have to go female dog slap some sense into Terry myself.
- BuffaloHardHat

If they are still this bad i don't think he does. Wasn't it mentioned post bills season that Rex and Whaley only have 1 more shot or they get the boot? Have to think the Murray/Bylsma are in a similar situation given the last few years.

Does anyone think they will retire 30 and 48 or 89? No one has warn them since the player left. Ditto with McKee's 74 All though that's not a popular number nor would McKee fall under the retired number category.
- bluengold12

If he only never had that staph infection.

This. I see the makings of a good team in a couple of seasons. The problem is that after the last 3 years, anything less than great should be considered unacceptable.
- buffalofan19

You have to realize it does not happen overnight . Florida is coming around this year after years of rebuilding.

And if they would have made the Schneider deal, they'd be an average team without Connor McDavid.
- sbroads24

True, but it's not like the trades have put us at the 12th or 13th pick. Still a decent chance this team walks away with a high pick. 20% chance at matthews vs 50% chance at one of the finn wingers + Kane.

True, but it's not like the trades have put us at the 12th or 13th pick. Still a decent chance this team walks away with a high pick. 20% chance at matthews vs 50% chance at one of the finn wingers + Kane.
- Sabresfan-365

No, the trades have us in a bottom 5 spot with some long term contracts.

No, the trades have us in a bottom 5 spot with some long term contracts.
- sbroads24

But when i look at this team its the contracts that have me worried not the trades. The trades aren't what has us in the bottom 5.

But when i look at this team its the contracts that have me worried not the trades. The trades aren't what has us in the bottom 5.
- Sabresfan-365

No, that's courtesy of Tim Murray.

- BuffaloHardHat

Does anyone think they will retire 30 and 48 or 89? No one has warn them since the player left. Ditto with McKee's 74 All though that's not a popular number nor would McKee fall under the retired number category.
- bluengold12

Maybe, Mogilny but I doubt that. Retiring numbers should be for truly great players, not just guys who were good on a team that couldn't afford any better. Miller had a few good years here, but his career hasn't been all that special, and Danny only spent three seasons with us. It seems like more, but we were just a pit stop in his career. I honestly don't understand why we have Tim Horton's #2 retired. Great player, sure, but if I recall correctly I think he was only with us less than two years when he died.