so in a cap era, you would rather pay girgens 4 mil for 55-60 games on the third line then pay larsson 1.5 mil for 75 games on the 3rd line


assume we won't land a legit top 4 d man capable of playing top minutes as a FA


what asset do you move to get that man?
- homiedclown

You can't make up numbers to back up your argument. Girgensons would not get 4M per year. That's more than Ennis got as a bridge contract.

And lest you forget that Larsson is a RFA just like Girgensons right now and they are making less than 100k difference between them.

I bet Girgensons would get 2.5-3M TOPS each season for 3 years and Larsson will get 1.5-2M. The difference between them and upside to Girgensons is WELL worth keeping them both ESPECIALLY if we lose Foligno on that 3rd line.

I bet we see Franson and Weber both traded this year.
- JVince11

We get Loose change back, at best.

so in a cap era, you would rather pay girgens 4 mil for 55-60 games on the third line then pay larsson 1.5 mil for 75 games on the 3rd line


assume we won't land a legit top 4 d man capable of playing top minutes as a FA


what asset do you move to get that man?
- homiedclown

Ennis
one of your juniors d-men
one of McCabe/Pysyk
Ullmark
or for the right player/right scenario:
2016 1st rounder.

excellent point
- Michael Pachla

doesn't explain the concussion in rochester
the ding in his rookie season with the big club
the dings this year


plus I am sure the all star nod will cost a few pennies at the negotiating table

they have about 4 quacks I would like to have in their pipeline
- homiedclown

huge gus fan here...if murray can pull that off for a sure-fire top-pairing d-man, I'm in...however, not sure if his counterparts will bite

somebody suggested moving kane over to the right side and I really like that idea...target ladd this off season for left wing
- Michael Pachla

I personally love Ladd as a UFA... but he is goign to request BIG money. I've heard in the 6.5M per year range.

You guys have a stack of centers 2 of them with stamkos like potential. You guys should be doing whatever you can to trade for 2 top 4 defensemen. You get them and your in the playoffs next year. If im buffalo im keeping my 1st, rist, bogo, kane, rielly and my 3 young centers. Everyone else and picks in the draft are fair game.

he is going to miss 1/4 of his games, based on his 3 season here and the season in rochester

ror missed less then 10% of his games to injury


some players are more fragile then others


after the connolly era, if it becomes a trend (injuries), I don't want them taking a chunk of our cap
- homiedclown

How big is this "chunk" u think he'll take up?
I don't think his next contract will be all that big at all
3mil per?
Something like that

We get Loose change back, at best.
- Der Kaiser

wait so you think we get more than one coin??? actual change? SWEET.

You can't make up numbers to back up your argument. Girgensons would not get 4M per year. That's more than Ennis got as a bridge contract.

And lest you forget that Larsson is a RFA just like Girgensons right now and they are making less than 100k difference between them.

I bet Girgensons would get 2.5-3M TOPS each season for 3 years and Larsson will get 1.5-2M. The difference between them and upside to Girgensons is WELL worth keeping them both ESPECIALLY if we lose Foligno on that 3rd line.
- JVince11

he was a .5 ppg player and played in the all star last year

it's north of 3 mil

huge gus fan here...if murray can pull that off for a sure-fire top-pairing d-man, I'm in...however, not sure if his counterparts will bite
- Michael Pachla

ducks need scoring

gus, mcginn and picks would keep a conversation going

doesn't explain the concussion in rochester
the ding in his rookie season with the big club
the dings this year


plus I am sure the all star nod will cost a few pennies at the negotiating table
- homiedclown

can't see him making more than $3m/season...and for a solid, two-way, top-nine forward with plenty of offensive upside, he's worth keeping for at least another year or two

he was a .5 ppg player and played in the all star last year

it's north of 3 mil
- homiedclown

And if he was a FA last year that would mean something.

I'm warming up to you fast.

Fester than you warmed up to Kane.
- Der Kaiser

Oh my

he is going to miss 1/4 of his games, based on his 3 season here and the season in rochester

ror missed less then 10% of his games to injury


some players are more fragile then others


after the connolly era, if it becomes a trend (injuries), I don't want them taking a chunk of our cap
- homiedclown

Girgensons for 60 games is greater than what we'd get back for him imo. He's a good player, not great but good. He's a third liner who can move up. He can provide offense and shut down players. But he's not going to get you much trading him.

You guys have a stack of centers 2 of them with stamkos like potential. You guys should be doing whatever you can to trade for 2 top 4 defensemen. You get them and your in the playoffs next year. If im buffalo im keeping my 1st, rist, bogo, kane, rielly and my 3 young centers. Everyone else and picks in the draft are fair game.
- mauryballstein

Pretty much this... yes...


Kane - ROR - Reinhart
Matthews/Puljujarvi/Laine - Eichel - Ennis
Larsson - Girgenson - McGinn

ducks need scoring

gus, mcginn and picks would keep a conversation going
- homiedclown

That offer gets beat by someone else.

How big is this "chunk" u think he'll take up?
I don't think his next contract will be all that big at all
3mil per?
Something like that
- jdfitz77

my guess is 3.5 per

and for 60 games in the 3rd line, not good value if he is putting up 15-20 points a year


again, it's different if he is given a chance to be a fixture on our top 6, but I do not see that happening with this coach

can't see him making more than $3m/season...and for a solid, two-way, top-nine forward with plenty of offensive upside, he's worth keeping for at least another year or two
- Michael Pachla

and if he stays dinged for a bit in both years, and puts up 15 points a year, your getting 40 cents on the dollar when right now you can get 80 cents

That offer gets beat by someone else.
- Sabresfan-365

I think they're buying at the TDL. Maybe there's more than one quacker in the pipeline to be had.

he was a .5 ppg player and played in the all star last year

it's north of 3 mil
- homiedclown

Oh come on, you're grasping at straws here. You know that means nothing. Talk about his goal scoring but all star game is the last thing that matters.

That offer gets beat by someone else.
- Sabresfan-365

I actually think the Sabres could have an advantage if they were to move someone like Pysyk or Girgensons. They are cheap and have very good underlying numbers.

I wouldn't want to trade both, but if you could swing one + maybe McGinn, and take back a solid player or prospect I'd consider it

That offer gets beat by someone else.
- Sabresfan-365

assume mcginn could net a second at the deadline

gus, mcginn and a few thirds couldn't land a player the ducks can't keep long term?


not sure I agree

I personally love Ladd as a UFA... but he is goign to request BIG money. I've heard in the 6.5M per year range.
- JVince11

that's a tough one...he's 30, which is way at the top-end of murray's ideal...might be able to balance that out with term...5 yrs./$32m for a player with two cup rings on two different teams doesn't seem all that outlandish and may be as high as the sabres could go

I love how people forget that guys like McCabb and Pysyk are top 4 pairing quality guys... even Guhle almost made the big club this year in camp as a 2nd rounder.

We don't need to trade the farm for someone else's head case or garbage.


I see us trading Franson and Weber this year... Colia walks.

Sign a guy like Yandle or Demers to play top 4.

Demers/Yandle - Risto
Bogo - Pysyk
Gorges - McCabe

NOTE - Vatanen, Gudbranson, Krug, S. Jones, M. Rielly, Forbort, Oleksiak are all RFAs