I agree. I have to say, this whole thing kind of amuses me. I'm a huge Girgensons fan, yet I'm one of the ones on here saying his value isn't as high in a trade as others around here think it is.
- HonkFortheGoose

The problem with girgensons re trade value is that the stuff he does so well will never boost his trade value. Most teams will ignore it, good teams will capitalize and acquire those players for pennies on the dollar (Stralman).

This is essentially how the leafs managed to get rid of Phaneuf for something and not retain any salary. Put him in a position to succeed say nothing but great things about him then sucker some desperate gm into making that deal.(by the way he was tragically awful last night for the sens).

I like Z a lot and last year was amazing... but noted that was on top line playing top minutes all the time with this roster currently hes never going to play there again... he may not mind playing the grinder line but thats going to keep production down and having him on the injury list often... I say get what you can for him before he walks away
- Havic3814

He's an RFA. He doesn't exactly have the option of "walking away" at this point and he's still much more valuable on the roster than he is in a trade.

I haven't seen Fowler too much recently, but he's always been a guy I've liked. I just feel like that's an awfully big package for him. I wouldn't just initially say no, but I think that's eventually where I'd end up.
- HonkFortheGoose

My list of actions would be as follows.

Girgensons+ to Anaheim for one of their D-men
Bogosian+ for a top 6 RW. (Looking at you EDM)
Sign Yandle to a 5 year deal around $34MM. Front load it and use the escalator of .9 to have low cash deal at the end of 5 years.

Someone has to go on the forward ranks.

We will have a log jam at Forward.
We have gaping holes on defense.

That someone has to have value to get back what we need. That leads me to believe it is Ennis or Girgensons.
- ImThatGuy

Yea I guess you missed my point that both of those players values are at an all time low. We are not getting a top 4 defense for one of them. At least not right now. We dont have a log jam at forward now so why would we have one next season when guys like Mcginn, Legwand, and possibly one of gionta or Moulson are gone.

This was my exact point. One GMs perceived value of a guy is probably much different than another's. I can bet that Murray would have to be pretty blown away by an offer to consider moving Girgensons, where I think he'd be much more open to moving Larsson for a much lesser return. If you look at it from the other GMs perspective, they'd probaby give up a small bit more for Girgs than Larsson, but I don't think there's as big of a gap between what the other 29 GMs perceive the values of Girgensons and Larsson to be.
- HonkFortheGoose

I can't see many scenarios where we become a better team by trading Girgs.

Yea I guess you missed my point that both of those players values are at an all time low. We are not getting a top 4 defense for one of them. At least not right now. We dont have a log jam at forward now so why would we have one next season when guys like Mcginn, Legwand, and possibly one of gionta or Moulson are gone.
- MCGUIZZY

Eichel
Kane
O'Reilly
Reinhart
Top 3 pick

5 of your top 6.

Girgensons or Ennis are not going to be playing on the third line. You have one spot left for them.

My list of actions would be as follows.

Girgensons+ to Anaheim for one of their D-men
Bogosian+ for a top 6 RW. (Looking at you EDM)
Sign Yandle to a 5 year deal around $34MM. Front load it and use the escalator of .9 to have low cash deal at the end of 5 years.
- ImThatGuy

But are they looking at us? It's easy to say all this but Im not sure anyone of these happens.

Oilers need someone better than bogo and they know it.
I don't think girgs value is high enough to be the centerpiece of a deal for the Ducks d-men
And Yandle? We'll have to overpay like crazy to convince to finish his career in buffalo.

Someone has to go on the forward ranks.

We will have a log jam at Forward.
We have gaping holes on defense.

That someone has to have value to get back what we need. That leads me to believe it is Ennis or Girgensons.
- ImThatGuy

I don't see where we have a log jam at all?

This is how i see next season (obviously some of these can be switched around):

Kane-ROR-Reinhart
McGinn-Eichel-Ennis
Foligno-Mathews-Gionta
Larsson-Girgs-Deslauriers

*Yeah you read it right, we're winning the daft!!

Moulsen can start the season, but if it's just more of the same we put him on waivers and bury him in the AHL (no way in hell someone claims that salary).
Legwand can be traded, or walk away since he's UFA, no loss there
McCormick, trade or waived.

right there that free's up almost $10M of wasted salary.

I'm fine with our D for now.....and even if I'm not, the pieces you want to trade (expendable forward ranks) simply DO NOT have the worth you think they do, to where the return is going to fill any perceived holes in our D.

He's an RFA. He doesn't exactly have the option of "walking away" at this point and he's still much more valuable on the roster than he is in a trade.
- HonkFortheGoose

So we get to match an offer... that worked out great last time.

I just don't think he'll stick around if he got an offer to play a bigger part of a different team, and he is a talent (not knocking it out of the park this year or anything) I'd just want to get something for it.. specially with our luck he'd pull a Briere and go somewhere in conference and score on us every chance he got

Eichel
Kane
O'Reilly
Reinhart
Top 3 pick

5 of your top 6.

Girgensons or Ennis are not going to be playing on the third line. You have one spot left for them.
- ImThatGuy

Why not?........I'd be happy with 3 top lines. Helll, I'll take some of the pressure off each of those lines if teams have to try and match that.

It's good to see a thread where posters communicate their points without being a total bumhole about it. It's a nice change of pace.

Why not?........I'd be happy with 3 top lines.
- nikel

Edmonton says Sup.

It's good to see a thread where posters communicate their points without being a total bumhole about it. It's a nice change of pace.

- jochfr

IDIOT

It's good to see a thread where posters communicate their points without being a total bumhole about it. It's a nice change of pace.

- jochfr

People think my trades are not fair.

ADD ANOTHER 1ST THEN. IDIOTS!

In a world with no cap, and we had no other holes I agree. We have both though. One will land you fair value on the trade market. The other will not.

If we are looking for a third line center, I don't think the drop off is that severe between Larsson or Girgensons. That is more of a complement to Larsson than it is a knock on Z.

I really think you could target Anaheim and one of their D-men in a trade revolving around Z.
- ImThatGuy

I think it would be worth the exploration. But they have Kelser in that role

I don't see where we have a log jam at all?

This is how i see next season (obviously some of these can be switched around):

Kane-ROR-Reinhart
McGinn-Eichel-Ennis
Foligno-Mathews-Gionta
Larsson-Girgs-Deslauriers

*Yeah you read it right, we're winning the daft!!

Moulsen can start the season, but if it's just more of the same we put him on waivers and bury him in the AHL (no way in hell someone claims that salary).
Legwand can be traded, or walk away since he's UFA, no loss there
McCormick, trade or waived.

right there that free's up almost $10M of wasted salary.

I'm fine with our D for now.....and even if I'm not, the pieces you want to trade (expendable forward ranks) simply DO NOT have the worth you think they do, to where the return is going to fill any perceived holes in our D.
- nikel

Burying McCormick and Moulson in the minors only saves $600K towards the cap.

Eichel
Kane
O'Reilly
Reinhart
Top 3 pick

5 of your top 6.

Girgensons or Ennis are not going to be playing on the third line. You have one spot left for them.
- ImThatGuy

Sorry but again im not counting on our draft pick to be contributing in our top 6 next season. Its not at all realistic. Anything can happen from now until the draft. You assume that our pick will not be here and if he is then you make room for him if hes ready. Big if. Ennis is in my top six next season as it stands right now. And there is no reason why some of these guys cant be shuffled around to the third line. Its not a death sentence. We had a very good third line back in 05-06 and 06-07 when we were a playoff team

Edmonton says Sup.
- ImThatGuy

BUT, that's ALL Edm. tried to do.......and completely forgot about keeping the puck out of yer own net!

I'm not worried about that with Risto, McCabe, Pysk to build off of. Not saying they're allstars, but a good beginning.

I think it would be worth the exploration. But they have Kelser in that role
- sbroads24

A lot of Plan A's in this whole discussion, which is great but how often do those really work out? I think the expectations are too high given where we are in the standings and the fact that we're not NYR/CHI/TOR etc..

Burying McCormick and Moulson in the minors only saves $600K towards the cap.
- ImThatGuy

I thought that if they clear waivers, salary comes off?

Burying McCormick and Moulson in the minors only saves $600K towards the cap.
- ImThatGuy

Ouch. The Moulson situation is just sad. 4 more years.

I thought that if they clear waivers, salary comes off?
- nikel

No they changed that rule, because of just that. guys were being buried in teh Minors with 5+MM contracts. I think it is a max of 300K, it might be 500K

It's good to see a thread where posters communicate their points without being a total bumhole about it. It's a nice change of pace.

- jochfr

This is a good post.

A lot of Plan A's in this whole discussion, which is great but how often do those really work out? I think the expectations are too high given where we are in the standings and the fact that we're not NYR/CHI/TOR etc..
- Sabresfan-365

Plan A,B,C,D or Z.

This team needs to find some competent defensemen.

Plan A,B,C,D or Z.

This team needs to find some competent defensemen.
- ImThatGuy

Yes, but it's going to be a little harder than has been described thus far. Look at what it cost us to build the current group so far.