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- Giroux_Is_God

My opinion on the 2nd Gudas hit.

Was it needed.....I guess not.


If he toe drags him because he doesn't hit him and scores who do we blame?

Are the Sabres going to stop playing because it is 5-1?

The reason the hit looks bad is because the player starts to hunch over looking for the puck.

I always grew up that you play till the end. I know it's cliché but it's not like the Sabres were going to stop hitting becaue they were down 5-1. If that hit was Bogosian on Weal, people would be saying it was a leader trying to show his young team not to quit.

My opinion is the hit looked worse then what it was.
- J35Bacher

I remember people were going crazy a few years ago when the Pens ran Briere at the end of the game.

My answer.. dont put Briere out there if you dont want him getting hit at that point.

Just because a game is possibly out of reach doesnt mean you should stop playing. Thats the new age BS. Oh, take it easy on them!

Eff that.

Play the game pls
- Giroux_Is_God

okay

You mean don't hit someone who is lunging on one knee? Gimme a break buddy. If your teammate got hit like that, you'd be furious.

I posted this last night. Still relevant:

You can't call a penalty for a hard check. This isn't high school. Lots of times, those kinds of open ice hits are those Kronwallish ones, where the defenseman catches a streaking player with the puck with his head down. Those are good hits, provided we keep our elbows down etc. If you're carrying a puck, there are certain situations where you should expect to be hit (or at least, expect to be lined up) if you're coming through the neutral zone.

But those blindside hits on suicide passes or these kinds are the ones that I think are completely on the D for throwing the hit.

Again- I only saw one replay because of my freezing feed, but this dude was very close to being on one knee while lunging towards the puck while being rubbed off by one our players. If memory serves me right, the puck wasn't even entirely in his possession at the time. He was well entrenched in the process of being inevitably separated from it.

Why is Gudas throwing that hit. The guy's head was so low Gudas hit it with his hip. That, along with being straight blindsided, is the textbook definition of defenseless.
- Giroux_Is_God

If by textbook you mean the NHL rulebook, can you please quote the section which talks about "blindside" and "defenseless" in relation to open ice hits?

Or we could not steam roll a guy who's head is at bj height.

Wtf guys. Are you kidding?

My opinion on the 2nd Gudas hit.

Was it needed.....I guess not.


If he toe drags him because he doesn't hit him and scores who do we blame?

Are the Sabres going to stop playing because it is 5-1?

The reason the hit looks bad is because the player starts to hunch over looking for the puck.

I always grew up that you play till the end. I know it's cliché but it's not like the Sabres were going to stop hitting becaue they were down 5-1. If that hit was Bogosian on Weal, people would be saying it was a leader trying to show his young team not to quit.

My opinion is the hit looked worse then what it was.
- J35Bacher

I don't have an issue with hitting the guy. I have a problem with launching into the guy who's in a very prone position when a simply bump would have been more than sufficient.

Again, I don't think it was illegal, but I think it was a bit dirty.

Gudas didn't launch. Launch means go airborne.

Or we could not steam roll a guy who's head is at bj height.

Wtf guys. Are you kidding?
- Giroux_Is_God

I didnt see the hit, missed last few games as is.

I like Gudas though so you know what category I am in. Flyers have been a wussy team for years with a very small amount of players that play punishing hockey.Turn the tide.

BJ height is very subjective.

You mean don't hit someone who is lunging on one knee? Gimme a break buddy. If your teammate got hit like that, you'd be furious.

I posted this last night. Still relevant:

You can't call a penalty for a hard check. This isn't high school. Lots of times, those kinds of open ice hits are those Kronwallish ones, where the defenseman catches a streaking player with the puck with his head down. Those are good hits, provided we keep our elbows down etc. If you're carrying a puck, there are certain situations where you should expect to be hit (or at least, expect to be lined up) if you're coming through the neutral zone.

But those blindside hits on suicide passes or these kinds are the ones that I think are completely on the D for throwing the hit.

Again- I only saw one replay because of my freezing feed, but this dude was very close to being on one knee while lunging towards the puck while being rubbed off by one our players. If memory serves me right, the puck wasn't even entirely in his possession at the time. He was well entrenched in the process of being inevitably separated from it.

Why is Gudas throwing that hit. The guy's head was so low Gudas hit it with his hip. That, along with being straight blindsided, is the textbook definition of defenseless.
- Giroux_Is_God

So hitting all together needs to be reevaluated then. Honestly. He stepped up and threw a hit on a guy who had possession and was fighting to maintain possession. He crushed him. He is a smaller player and was caught leaning and looking. Was it a brutal hit, yes it sure was. Was it predatory, IMO all hits are. You dont throw a hit with good intentions.

He stepped up and threw a hit which completely seperated the player from the puck. Thats exactly what you want to happen every time a hit is thrown. The problem was that the guy was dropped his head. BOOM.

I remember the Umberger hit. I remember being so pissed off when it originally happened. Watching it now.. it was a great hit. Brutal... hell, way worse than last nights hit, but a good hit.

Sometimes big hits on unsuspecting players happen. And the more you protect players, the more unsuspecting they become.

Has gudas even landed one of his crappy hip checks yet? They are like wildly mistimed

Knock knock
- Giroux_Is_God

open up the door, it's real

If by textbook you mean the NHL rulebook, can you please quote the section which talks about "blindside" and "defenseless" in relation to open ice hits?
- Feanor

No, I can't, because there is none. Loaded question. I think you were the one who came out with the "player who puts himself in a vulnerable position" quote.

I'm with mononoke on that one. I think that's one of those to protect the hitter from discipline if an otherwise clean check was made "unclean" by the skater at the last second

This is a case where gudas took a run at a player lunging forward on one knee. You cannot hit a guy in that position. You can't. At all. It's disgusting. Have some respect for your opponents.

Whats his face was ready to be separated from the puck. No one was gonna toe drag around anybody.

We all know- or at least have an idea- of what blidside hits are or can think of examples of players in vulnerable positions. You can't write rules about that because almost every situation is different. You look at precedents. Like the Rinaldo hit with the guy leaning forward after the shot, if I remember correctly.

I didnt see the hit, missed last few games as is.

I like Gudas though so you know what category I am in. Flyers have been a wussy team for years with a very small amount of players that play punishing hockey.Turn the tide.

BJ height is very subjective.
- flyer_nutter

I'm close to done with him. You can be physical with clean hitting. He doesn't have the skill or craft to land these hip checks he's been going for. Kronwall he's not. He's almost snapped two legs in two weeks time

Saw the hit. For me, take that all day long.

How many hits like that has Kronwall made along the boards?

Keep your head up.

So hitting all together needs to be reevaluated then. Honestly. He stepped up and threw a hit on a guy who had possession and was fighting to maintain possession. He crushed him. He is a smaller player and was caught leaning and looking. Was it a brutal hit, yes it sure was. Was it predatory, IMO all hits are. You dont throw a hit with good intentions.

He stepped up and threw a hit which completely seperated the player from the puck. Thats exactly what you want to happen every time a hit is thrown. The problem was that the guy was dropped his head. BOOM.

I remember the Umberger hit. I remember being so pissed off when it originally happened. Watching it now.. it was a great hit. Brutal... hell, way worse than last nights hit, but a good hit.

Sometimes big hits on unsuspecting players happen. And the more you protect players, the more unsuspecting they become.
- jak521

Big hits are legal.

Umberger is a good example. He was skating with the puck and his head down.

This is simply not. This player was in a position where he should not have been getting hit

I'm close to done with him. You can be physical with clean hitting. He doesn't have the skill or craft to land these hip checks he's been going for. Kronwall he's not. He's almost snapped two legs in two weeks time
- Just5

Personally, I love he is on the team.

Need a consistent physical presence. Or we can go back to playing like machines with no emotion. That was fun.

Gudas didn't launch. Launch means go airborne.
- Feanor

He was well entrenched in the process of being inevitably separated from it.

I realize Gudas is considered 'dirty' around the league but I don't really think he is. That step up attempted hit (so not a slewfoot) on Foligno that the Sabres are super pissed about was actually a great play that absolutely disrupted the Sabres play, causing a turnover and a the stretch pass to Raffl for the 3rd goal.

Saw the hit. For me, take that all day long.

How many hits like that has Kronwall made along the boards?

Keep your head up.
- flyer_nutter

When kronwall hits people, they're not on a knee.

Whats his face couldn't even have gotten out of the way to protect himself because I think it was VDV had him tangled up.

Man you people are RUTHLESS. Let's bring Stevens back while we're at it.

He was well entrenched in the process of being inevitably separated from it.
- -davies-

Beautifully worded

I realize Gudas is considered 'dirty' around the league but I don't really think he is. That step up attempted hit (so not a slewfoot) on Foligno that the Sabres are super pissed about was actually a great play that absolutely disrupted the Sabres play, causing a turnover and a the stretch pass to Raffl for the 3rd goal.
- Pixote Andolini

He keeps the other team checking over their shoulder, and has a way of getting under your skin.

When not forced to play huge minutes he is solid defensively. Good contract. I take a guy like that every time on a team that has been a bunch of emotionless pussies for far too long.

Okay, still haven't seen the Gudas hit but I'm just about to render my opinion. I need to know something first.

Did Gudas leave his feet?

Beautifully worded
- Giroux_Is_God

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Gudas has to recognize a player in a defenseless position and peel back. I like him and they need his physical presence in the lineup, but he has to be smarter than he's been lately. If he's not taking penalties, he's barely avoiding suspension.

Big hits are legal.

Umberger is a good example. He was skating with the puck and his head down.

This is simply not. This player was in a position where he should not have been getting hit
- Giroux_Is_God

You're making up your own rules.

The actual NHL rulebook says that a full body check that makes contact with the head is legal if "the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position by assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full body check unavoidable".