No he is right. McDavid is in a class all of his own.

its pretty clear to most. The only people it is not clear to are Sabres fans who are still grasping at straws that Eichel is better because we lost the lottery and were rewarded him.
- ImThatGuy

Agreed

I hope so because those other Marvel movies are huge steaming piles.
- BINGO!

Disagree strongly as both Captain America movies have been tremendous and the third one looks very good so far.

You're obviously not getting it McDavid is in its own class and so is Jack those two will be one and two in the NHL for a decade probably
- gerbe75pts

But McDavid is still light years better than Eichel

Disagree strongly as both Captain America movies have been tremendous and the third one looks very good so far.
- kingcong39

I hate literally everything about Captain America. His very existence is irritating.

Im confused You said "No your're wrong" to the comment Jack is not in McDavid's class?
- ImThatGuy

Jack isn't in McDavids class. Think of him as the Lemieux to McDavids Gretzky. Both are superstars but Gretzky was Ina league of his own

[quote=gerbe75pts]

I don't know enough about Puljujärvi to say he's that much better but Larkin is pretty damn good

This was actually my first choice, something around our top pick and maybe a roster player for Lindholm and a roster player from them. I question that given who his agent is but I think it would be perfect for us.

Right age, excellent defensively with offensive upside and you'd have the chance to lock him up with a long term cap friendly deal.

And fwiw, I have heard that he is indeed available (Lindholm)
- Sabresfan-365

2016 first + What??
for
Lindholm + Ritchie + First

[quote=ImThatGuy]Im confused You said "No your're wrong" to the comment Jack is not in McDavid'

you're saying mcDavid's clearly the better player overall at every category and I don't buy it how about you judge Jack when he actually gets some line mates and not bums that can't score

And I'm going to be that guy do you understand how many points he would actually have if half our team can score on the passes he gives it's unbelievable he could have a 4 point each game don't lie to me

I don't know enough about Puljujärvi to say he's that much better but Larkin is pretty damn good
- bluengold12

The 2 Finland players could go first overall that's how close they are both to Matthews

You don't give puluarvi enough credit. I wanted Draisatil > Reinhart two years ago and although Laine has more offensive flash he's inconsistent. Puliuarvi isn't as flashy but he's a fantastic play maker and just scores a different way. 17 pts in world juniors and played as an underage player the year prior. Good production in men's league in Finland
- Pegullaville

I'll admit I don't know too much about Puliuarvi. Just what I've seen plus what I've heard others say.

4.29 P/60...... Enough said. If McJesus was healthy this year he would of been the best player (not rookie) in the league.

The 2 Finland players could go first overall that's how close they are both to Matthews
- gerbe75pts

On the draft special on TSN Bob Mackenzie said scouts had Matthews as unanimous number 1. I think maybe 1 had Laine as number 1 but Laine was unquestioned number 2.

[quote=ImThatGuy]Im confused You said "No your're wrong" to the comment Jack is not in McDavid'

you're saying mcDavid's clearly the better player overall at every category and I don't buy it how about you judge Jack when he actually gets some line mates and not bums that can't score

And I'm going to be that guy do you understand how many points he would actually have if half our team can score on the passes he gives it's unbelievable he could have a 4 point each game don't lie to me
- gerbe75pts

McDavid would probably have Gionta and Moulson and 15-20 a piece on this team.

4.29 P/60...... Enough said. If McJesus was healthy this year he would of been the best player (not rookie) in the league.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Hey I can play this game too if Jack had some line mates he have 50 points already

And I would just love someone to debate me on this just please debate me on this and I will crush you

[quote=ImThatGuy]Im confused You said "No your're wrong" to the comment Jack is not in McDavid'

you're saying mcDavid's clearly the better player overall at every category and I don't buy it how about you judge Jack when he actually gets some line mates and not bums that can't score

And I'm going to be that guy do you understand how many points he would actually have if half our team can score on the passes he gives it's unbelievable he could have a 4 point each game don't lie to me
- gerbe75pts

I don't buy it. If we win that lottery, we never talk about Eichel, ever. He is never even a thought process in our minds as to "What would it have been"

Eichel has struggled at times this season, like right now. He is not a bad player. He is going to be very, very good. But he cannot touch McDavid right now. Dont give me that crap about line mates either. McDavid creates on his own, regardless of who is playing next to him.

Hey I can play this game too if Jack had some line mates he have 50 points already

And I would just love someone to debate me on this just please debate me on this and I will crush you
- gerbe75pts

You cannot prove Jack would have anything? So debate your "What ifs" all you want. We are not saying Jack is bad calm yourself, just that McDavid is superior to him.

Hey I can play this game too if Jack had some line mates he have 50 points already

And I would just love someone to debate me on this just please debate me on this and I will crush you
- gerbe75pts

Take off your homer glasses. If you were an Oil fan, or if Jack wasn't on our team, you would hands down say that McDavid is worlds ahead of Jack. Connor will be the best player in the league next year. And it won't be close.

I don't buy it. If we win that lottery, we never talk about Eichel, ever. He is never even a thought process in our minds as to "What would it have been"

Eichel has struggled at times this season, like right now. He is not a bad player. He is going to be very, very good. But he cannot touch McDavid right now. Dont give me that crap about line mates either. McDavid creates on his own, regardless of who is playing next to him.
- ImThatGuy

boo hoo I would have not cried I would have been happy with either or I'll tell you what how about you judge Jack when he actually gets line mates how about that and then you can say O Connor McDavid is the greatest thing ever since God and slice bread how about that how about you wait until you get some linemates then we'll see what he can do

McDavid would probably have Gionta and Moulson and 15-20 a piece on this team.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

its almost like Sabres fans are the ex in a breakup and now are playing the "Well yea, its better this way" When in fact they know it is not.

I don't buy it. If we win that lottery, we never talk about Eichel, ever. He is never even a thought process in our minds as to "What would it have been"

Eichel has struggled at times this season, like right now. He is not a bad player. He is going to be very, very good. But he cannot touch McDavid right now. Dont give me that crap about line mates either. McDavid creates on his own, regardless of who is playing next to him.
- ImThatGuy

I agree McDavid is other worldy and would likely be playing with Kane and Ennis (When healthy) on a line. To play devils advocate though I've watched at least TEN times this year where Eichel set up Gionta, Moulson, Folgino etc. etc. etc. and they couldn't put in an easy goal. I fully believe Eichel would have AT LEAST ten more points this year with players capable of finishing a play. Not even great players but average to slightly above it.

Take off your homer glasses. If you were an Oil fan, or if Jack wasn't on our team, you would hands down say that McDavid is worlds ahead of Jack. Connor will be the best player in the league next year. And it won't be close.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Imo he already is despite the missed time

I don't buy it. If we win that lottery, we never talk about Eichel, ever. He is never even a thought process in our minds as to "What would it have been"

Eichel has struggled at times this season, like right now. He is not a bad player. He is going to be very, very good. But he cannot touch McDavid right now. Dont give me that crap about line mates either. McDavid creates on his own, regardless of who is playing next to him.
- ImThatGuy

Exactly. Last night he had 5 points both his wingers (not named Hall mind you) had 4 each. He creates scoring. Jack will be a very good player. Connor will be the best player in the league and of this generation.

Take off your homer glasses. If you were an Oil fan, or if Jack wasn't on our team, you would hands down say that McDavid is worlds ahead of Jack. Connor will be the best player in the league next year. And it won't be close.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

I don't even know how you can say that have you not seen the trash that Jack has been with this year how about you take off the glasses look at the pretty picture and how about you list me the elite centers in the league they have wingers please

I don't even know how you can say that have you not seen the trash that Jack has been with this year how about you take off the glasses look at the pretty picture and how about you list me the elite centers in the league they have wingers please
- gerbe75pts

You start a franchise today.

Who do you choose and why?

Eichel
or
McDavid


The only people who say Eichel are Sabres fans that are still grasping that losing the lottery didnt create that much of a drop off.

Eichel will be very good, And most likely even better with real line mates. McDavid is also going to improve as well. Which is crazy scary for what he has already done.

I agree McDavid is other worldy and would likely be playing with Kane and Ennis (When healthy) on a line. To play devils advocate though I've watched at least TEN times this year where Eichel set up Gionta, Moulson, Folgino etc. etc. etc. and they couldn't put in an easy goal. I fully believe Eichel would have AT LEAST ten more points this year with players capable of finishing a play. Not even great players but average to slightly above it.
- bluengold12

I 100% agree Jack would have 10-15 more points if guys could finish. But its not even all about stats. Just watching the 2 play, its not close. Jack does some great things sometimes. has some good plays. Other times looks completely lost. Connor looks like the best player in the league almost every time he touches the ice.