- DDM-Coga

How has yeo survived this?

Holy poop, it would be awesome if I live the rest of my life and never see Pomminville in a Sabres' jersey, flopping around on his knees in the faceoff circle, aimlessly flailing away while the other guy skates over him with the puck. That got to be as comical and frustrating as Afinagenov flying around only to lose the puck in the zone.
- LandlordTom

Lol
Idk about all that. He was a solid player for us.
I don't want him back either
But my point was, Minny prob isn't gonna trade a young defenseman unless they can unload a bad contract with him

How has yeo survived this?
- Sabresfan-365

Zenon Konopka ‏@ZenonKonopka Feb 9
I'm not saying Mike Yeo is a bad coach but change is due in Minny #YeomustGo

Holy poop, it would be awesome if I live the rest of my life and never see Pomminville in a Sabres' jersey, flopping around on his knees in the faceoff circle, aimlessly flailing away while the other guy skates over him with the puck. That got to be as comical and frustrating as Afinagenov flying around only to lose the puck in the zone.
- LandlordTom

Funny you mention Afinogenov because that is how I've felt about Ennis, save for the moments where he pulls a goal out of his a$$ here and there. When I think of Ennis, the first thoughts that come to my mind are all the times he's walked through 2-3 guys on the other team, only to wipe himself out and watch the play go back into our own zone.

Funny you mention Afinogenov because that is how I've felt about Ennis, save for the moments where he pulls a goal out of his a$$ here and there. When I think of Ennis, the first thoughts that come to my mind are all the times he's walked through 2-3 guys on the other team, only to wipe himself out and watch the play go back into our own zone.
- SayBeers

What is sad about the way the game is played today is that players that attempt to be creative much of the time are looked down on unless they are super elite because the majority of players and coaches want low IQ plays made most of the time. Get the puck deep, get it back, and if it's in your own end, just get it out.

It makes for a dreadfully boring game much of the time.

What is sad about the way the game is played today is that players that attempt to be creative much of the time are looked down on unless they are super elite because the majority of players and coaches want low IQ plays made most of the time. Get the puck deep, get it back, and if it's in your own end, just get it out.

It makes for a dreadfully boring game much of the time.
- kingcong39

Creative vs. effective. Where do you draw the line?

How has yeo survived this?
- Sabresfan-365

They make a crazy trade after the deadline and go on a run to make the playoffs. Its been like that for a few seasons in a row now

The team is very flawed, their goaltending situation can't steal them games this year when the team can't score

Zenon Konopka ‏@ZenonKonopka Feb 9
I'm not saying Mike Yeo is a bad coach but change is due in Minny #YeomustGo



- Der Kaiser

Man, that's an ugly cat.

Creative vs. effective. Where do you draw the line?
- SayBeers

Exactly. If ur skating around that much with the puck u eventually reach a point where ur just taking up your teamates ice.

The only way it makes a difference is of the total value is less, like in your example
That's not what ppl keep saying though
They're like, just "frontloading it" which to implies they think that a lesser salary later on will count less against the Cap & this "not hurt when we have to re-sign other players"

It just seems like there's quite a few ppl that are misunderstanding how the Cap actually works

Unless it's me that's misunderstanding their point?
- jdfitz77

You're misunderstanding their point. The object of a front loaded contract is to give the player more money upfront to entice a player to sign. Maybe for less money overall, or maybe a place he might not otherwise go to.. Like ROR, he makes $11,000,000 next year. Yes, his cap hit is "only" $7.5 million. Tyler Myers was like that. Erhoff was like that. It's useful for older players to make more money upfront. And it goes the other way too. Younger players generally get contracts that are backloaded a little bit.

True, but I think u misunderstood me

The reasoning I keep reading is so that in 2,3,4 years when we have to give raises to Eichel, Reinhart, etc that we'll have extra dollars

"Frontloading" a contract helps with what you're saying
But the Cap hit stays the same
It doesn't give us extra room to sign anyone

I think there's quite a few ppl that don't understand u CAN NOT manipulate the cap hit like that
- jdfitz77

Who said that? I think you're inferring things that aren't being said.

Holy hell that took a while to find. But definitive info regarding a legal contract. I'm not sure where the 10% came from that I stated earlier. I just remember reading it a bunch after the lockout. So, no more than 35% difference between any two adjacent years, and no years below 50% of the highest year.

50.7 Variability Rules for Multi-Year SPCs.
(a) For all "Front-Loaded SPCs" (as defined below), the difference between the stated Player Salary and Bonuses in any immediately adjacent League Years of that SPC cannot exceed thirty-five (35) percent of the stated Player Salary and Bonuses of the first League Year of such Front-Loaded SPC. Additionally, under no circumstances may the stated Player Salary and Bonuses in any League Year of a Front-Loaded SPC be less than fifty (50) percent of the highest stated Player Salary and Bonuses in a League Year of that same Front-Loaded SPC.
- NHL CBA

Well for a left handed shot what about a guy like Goligoski? He might be someone we are able to get for 5.5mil or 6 mil a season.

Holy hell that took a while to find. But definitive info regarding a legal contract. I'm not sure where the 10% came from that I stated earlier. I just remember reading it a bunch after the lockout. So, no more than 35% difference between any two adjacent years, and no years below 50% of the highest year.
- Wetbandit1

Good find. That was what I meant, just was way too low at 10%. 35% does sound better.

The only other thing / point to having a front loaded deal (think Myers), if the player is owed a lower actual salary later in career, a team may take him on to get to cap floor without having to spend more actual dollars.

Well for a left handed shot what about a guy like Goligoski? He might be someone we are able to get for 5.5mil or 6 mil a season.
- doppelthat

Not sure if he's the answer either, #'s are good but that might be a reflectionf the team he's on. He's 31 in July too.

Holy hell that took a while to find. But definitive info regarding a legal contract. I'm not sure where the 10% came from that I stated earlier. I just remember reading it a bunch after the lockout. So, no more than 35% difference between any two adjacent years, and no years below 50% of the highest year.
- Wetbandit1

Good catch. So in the McGinn example it'd come out to

5+3.25+2.5+2.5 (had to fix 2nd year)

Via text, Mike Yeo confirms he has been fired by the #mnwild

— Michael Russo (@Russostrib) February 14, 2016

Let the Wild Trade flood gates open

Not sure if he's the answer either, #'s are good but that might be a reflectionf the team he's on. He's 31 in July too.
- Sabresfan-365

Don't think his numbers are just a reflection of the team he is on. He has never had a negative +/-, always produces points, and has played top minutes for a while.

Via text, Mike Yeo confirms he has been fired by the #mnwild

— Michael Russo (@Russostrib) February 14, 2016

Let the Wild Trade flood gates open
- DDM-Coga

They're deep on the blue line.

PS Hoppy Konopka gets his man.

Don't think his numbers are just a reflection of the team he is on. He has never had a negative +/-, always produces points, and has played top minutes for a while.
- doppelthat

not sure +/- is the way to go here, that's usually a reflection of the team you're on.

His shot attempts against is pretty high too, especially considering the team he's on and the fact that he's out for more offensive zone draws than defensive.

He's a very good offensive defensemen, but It's not a fit here especially at 31.

They're deep on the blue line.

PS Hoppy Konopka gets his man.
- Der Kaiser

not according to Wild Fans, they can't stand Suter and would trade Brodin in a heart beat.

Dumba seems the one guy they wouldnt move

not according to Wild Fans, they can't stand Suter and would trade Brodin in a heart beat.

Dumba seems the one guy they wouldnt move
- DDM-Coga

Scandella is my guy.

not sure +/- is the way to go here, that's usually a reflection of the team you're on.

His shot attempts against is pretty high too, especially considering the team he's on and the fact that he's out for more offensive zone draws than defensive.

He's a very good offensive defensemen, but It's not a fit here especially at 31.
- Sabresfan-365

He has been on some pretty poor Stars teams and mediocre Pens teams. But I see your point. Not much else out there unless you are going to give up too much in a trade.
Still wouldn't mind him in blue and gold, especially considering the alternatives.

Man, that's an ugly cat.
- LandlordTom

Hoppy has a posse.
R-E-C-O-G-N-I-S-E.

He has been on some pretty poor Stars teams and mediocre Pens teams. But I see your point. Not much else out there unless you are going to give up too much in a trade.
Still wouldn't mind him in blue and gold, especially considering the alternatives.
- doppelthat

Me thinks our GM doesn't have a problem with that. I don't either, as long as your getting the best player in the deal.