On TV ?


Dont see that on the twitter machine
- mrpaulish

TSN as per EK.

TSN as per EK.
- tredbrta

What's the news that's going on?

On Patch:

I have not heard his name mentioned. I AM hearing lots of Montreal chatter right now re: the Hawks.

Patch fits the bill perfectly. Young, fast, skilled, left winger with size and at a reasonable cost certainty going forward.

If there is anything here, you can bet either TT and/or Schmaltz + is gone.
- John Jaeckel

If Montreal is drunk enough to move Pacioretty then yes. They can have TT and Schmaltz and a first and some Rockey dollars (cash or cases of booze) if they eat the last year of Bickell's deal and send a conditional pick or two the other way.

He's under an enormous amount of pressure. I think he done a great job in MTL, but his job is surprisingly "on the line". What to do???
- MexicoHawk

They gave Bergevin an extension earlier in the season. If he were fired I'd bet Stan would bring him back here in a second. Therrien will go first though.

Price getting hurt isn't on Bergy. The team folding is more on the coach and the players IMO.

Dunno if the Hawks would do TT + Danault for Patch, but I'm not sure it's a terrible hockey trade when you consider the positive domino effect on the Hawk lineup AND Kruger likely coming back.

TT + Pokka + a pick is to me a good deal for the Hawks.
- John Jaeckel

Injecting 35 goals (probably 40 with the Hawks) at a super reasonable cap hit is totally worth it. Excellent hockey trade for the Hawks.

Ladd to Chicago talks heating up...

Plenty of chatter about a trade for Andrew Ladd here in Chicago.

Shaun C Reynolds

I don't see anything wrong with Rasmussen's game. However, since the winning streak ended, Q has saddled him with minuscule amounts of ice and a revolving door of wingers...Mashinter can't skate at an NHL level and Sekac is like a lightning bolt. Panik's his RW, then LW, then on the 2nd line, then the first line, etc...

The trade of Garbutt isn't getting near enough attention right now from Hawk fans. Garbutt was keeping Mashinter out of the lineup and the Hawks were rolling 4 lines and winning hockey games. Rasmussen has suffered a ton from the Garbutt trade!
- MexicoHawk

Excellent point--- also notice how saddled Hinostroza was with Mashinter last night

I like Moose and think he can be more than serviceable big body center especially come playoffs

Plenty of chatter about a trade for Andrew Ladd here in Chicago.

Shaun C Reynolds
- mrpaulish

Was just thinking if this Shaun C Reynolds a legit resource, or some jobber?

Plenty of chatter about a trade for Andrew Ladd here in Chicago.

Shaun C Reynolds
- mrpaulish

Link?

...and who the heck is Shaun Reynolds?

Was just thinking if this Shaun C Reynolds a legit resource, or some jobber?
- Hank3Henshaw

Dunno. Verified Account. Says he is a sportsnet reporter

Ladd to Chicago talks heating up...
- Hank3Henshaw

Source?

Link?

...and who the heck is Shaun Reynolds?
- ArlingtonRob

Google it .

Was just thinking if this Shaun C Reynolds a legit resource, or some jobber?
- Hank3Henshaw

Sortsnet reporter in Winnipeg. Sounds legit

Link?

...and who the heck is Shaun Reynolds?
- ArlingtonRob

Rob, check out my comment right above yours.

Haha. I was thinking the same thing

Source?
- golfbard

Jets writer on here. He just posted a new blog.

The following is my own speculation, and doesn't come from anything that I heard...

Keeping Marko Dano in Rockford right now lends me to believe that the Hawks may very well deal him before the deadline to make a big trade possible. Dano has been the #1 player inquired about from opposing teams because he is in Rockford! GMs don't see this as being something to do with his game, they see it as the Hawks hoping that he can become a top 6 LW in the near future...and there are a lot of NHL teams that would like to see Dano playing RW with them right now.

By not promoting Dano when Hoss got injured, it ensured that his "play" wouldn't become an issue suddenly (presuming he had a couple of rough games this week). If the Hawks really wanted to improve their hockey team while Hossa was out, they would have brought Marko Dano up to play RW...instead they promoted a 160 lb. guy that's been "solid" in Rockford...something doesn't quite add up to me.

IMO, Dano should have been playing this entire season as a RW, with a long leash as he developed his positioning and 200' game. I am not a fan of what the Hawks have "done" to him this year, and I would be happy for Marko to go somewhere where he was valued and would play right away.
- MexicoHawk

Exactly. This was a disservice to the kid. He should have been back at RW as soon as he was back in Rockford.

Vermette's salary was $3.5M LESS than Patrick Kane's, so they didn't need a pro-rated rate to acquire AV.
- DMChi2010

Duh, brain fart on my part. I remember looking into this before Kane's injury, which is why that example came to mind. Maybe a better example here would be Andrew Ladd, this year. No doubt the Hawks can't fit his full AAV in under the cap, even if they put Kruger on LTIR. But they could acquire him as a rental without moving salary the other direction, at least under the cap rules.

A hypothetical (after your excellent example on sending ELC's down between games):

Say a team spends $66.4M and the cap is $71.4M. That's $5M in space, which is not enough by AAV to obtain Crosby and Malkin from the Penguins as their combined salary is about $20M.

If what you said is correct with the pro-rated rates, then that $5M in space is actually enough to rent both players for the last 1/4 of the season, as their cap hit will only be $5M, which is .25 * $20M.

In effect, if what you said is correct, then there is a daily accrual, as the team acquiring the Penguins pays salaries of up to 3/4 of $66.4M until the TDL. After the TDL, they then pay the last 1/4 of $66.4M + $5M for C&M = $71.4M.

Is this really correct? A cap website would show the AAV after acquiring C&M to be $86.4M, which is clearly way over the cap. If it is correct, then GMs haven't realized that every dollar they have in pro-rated cap space for the last quarter of the season is actually 4x the salary in AAV. A cap floor team with $16M in cap space could actually temporarily take on $64M in salaries for the last quarter of the season. Is this really correct?
- DMChi2010

The answer is a qualified yes. The qualification is that the acquired player can't put you over cap next year, when his cap hit goes back to his AAV. So $48m of the $64m would have to be in rentals.

Of course, that scenario is extremely unlikely. I doubt any team in the NHL has the assets to make player acquisitions totaling $64m. And if that happened, I'd bet they'd amend the CBA to prevent it from happening again.

(Also, we keep saying 3/4 of the way through the season. I'm not actually sure where the trade deadline sits, but there's no way it's much further than that.)

Now, I realize that this looks like a daily accrual, but it's not. If you had daily accrual, then the Penguins (in your hypo) would be allowed to operate ABOVE $71.4m before trading Malkin and Crosby. If the rest of their roster had an AAV of $56.4, they would be able to pay out $15m (3/4 of a $20m AAV) to Sid and Geno and then trade them away for picks at the 3/4 point of the season. But that's not how it works. Malkin and Crosby started the year with the Penguins, so their cap hit is always their AAV under the current CBA. On the flip side, when they're traded, their cap hit disappears completely; the $15m in salary Pittsburgh would have paid out to them doesn't count against them.

Confused yet?

What's interesting is that there's a way that GMs could be abusing this system that hasn't happened. Let's say there's a left wing out there on a cap ceiling team named Ryan Rickell. He makes $4m a year, this year and next. He also sucks. He's so bad, in fact, that he's playing in the AHL.

Under the CBA, Rickell's team could open up cap space by trading him to Chicago in exchange for Brian Bickell. Why? Because Bickell would be a midseason acquisition. If it's halfway through the season, Bickell's cap hit on the new team is only $2m, at least for that year. (It's back up to $4m next year, but hey, you can just trade them back again before the deadline to open up space.)

They gave Bergevin an extension earlier in the season. If he were fired I'd bet Stan would bring him back here in a second. Therrien will go first though.

Price getting hurt isn't on Bergy. The team folding is more on the coach and the players IMO.
- tredbrta

And the fans. Until you have spent time in MTL its impossible to fully understand what affect this group has on the players. Not only do the "boo-birds" come out early in games, on EVERY phone-in show Hab players are being crucified...in fact, they can't even go out without being accosted by fans. The Canadiens in MTL is an experience unlike any other in Pro sports. This kind of player bashing has a detrimental effect on the guys, and is the main reason why (IMO) the Habs always seem to hit such LONG funks when things don't go well for them...which usually results in a coach being fired, or a member of the front office.

Marc is NOT the "blow things up" kind of guy...Dreger gets paid as a result of generating attention to himself...so you can figure it out.

However, the MTL faithful are THE least patient fans in hockey, and right now they are making things tough on the Habs...so some things are possible, but there will never be a "blow up" while MB is in charge...I'll guarantee that.
- MexicoHawk

Trading Pacioretty makes almost no sense. He, Subban and Price are really the center pieces there and they are all about the same age. Dreger apparently said "may consider" so it really is sensationalizing it some.

Better chance at Galchenyuk. His girlfriend assaulted him at a party after a home loss. I'm sure they weren't happy about that (the party after a loss).

And the fans. Until you have spent time in MTL its impossible to fully understand what affect this group has on the players. Not only do the "boo-birds" come out early in games, on EVERY phone-in show Hab players are being crucified...in fact, they can't even go out without being accosted by fans. The Canadiens in MTL is an experience unlike any other in Pro sports. This kind of player bashing has a detrimental effect on the guys, and is the main reason why (IMO) the Habs always seem to hit such LONG funks when things don't go well for them...which usually results in a coach being fired, or a member of the front office.
- MexicoHawk

That's why Bobby Lou is flourishing in Florida. He's not under the microscope of a crazy fan base like that of VAN.

Sometimes, smaller markets bring out the best in players.

Ladd to Chicago talks heating up...
- Hank3Henshaw

And remember, Ladd can just about pick and choose exactly what team he wants to go to with his contract. He wants to stay in WPG and knows that the Hawks are not only the favourites to repeat, but that they can't afford him moving forward. He would be an UFA capable of signing where ever it was best for him. Similar to Staal in CAR...he could easily be traded before the deadline and then end right back up in CAR this summer.

Ladd Toews Big Hoss

Panarnin AA Kane



Damn fine top 6. If this rumor is true about Ladd and the Hawks, wonder what the Jets want back??

With Gaborik out, the price for top six forwards just went way up.
- Return of the Roar

That is still only one destination and Lombardi has a need for D. Price may have gone up but it didn't spike. Still appears to be more supply than demand.

And remember, Ladd can just about pick and choose exactly what team he wants to go to with his contract. He wants to stay in WPG and knows that the Hawks are not only the favourites to repeat, but that they can't afford him moving forward. He would be an UFA capable of signing where ever it was best for him. Similar to Staal in CAR...he could easily be traded before the deadline and then end right back up in CAR this summer.
- MexicoHawk

I really don't see Ladd coming here. It would be cool, but too much for a rental.