Can't get rid of both. you still need a future top line RW.
- busmaster

This year is not the future. Moot point though. Stan isn't trading both of them and Bergevin is not trading Max.

All this Pacioretty speculation is crazy talk. What in the world would cause Montreal to trade a 27 year old 30+ goal scorer with a $4.5M cap hit for a couple more years. Answer = nothing!

Stop the madness!
- EbonyRaptor

Yes it is...

...but this is a hockey rumor site. Speculation runs rampant on occasion.

Yes it is...

...but this is a hockey rumor site. Speculation runs rampant on occasion.
- ArlingtonRob

What if Ladd takes the Trade and simply re signs with Winnipeg in the off season. Just like Vermette did.
The Jets get a few new faces that can help them start over next year with Buff and Ladd.
And Ladd gets a shot at the Cup this year.

I may get laughed off the board for this....
Maybe the Habs should think about moving Price for a Boat Load of Picks and Talent.
Might be the quickest way to rebuild on the fly.

Yes it is...

...but this is a hockey rumor site. Speculation runs rampant on occasion.
- ArlingtonRob

ummmm....no.....all the time

What if Ladd takes the Trade and simply re signs with Winnipeg in the off season. Just like Vermette did.
The Jets get a few new faces that can help them start over next year with Buff and Ladd.
And Ladd gets a shot at the Cup this year.

I may get laughed off the board for this....
Maybe the Habs should think about moving Price for a Boat Load of Picks and Talent.
Might be the quickest way to rebuild on the fly.
- Colbyboy

The first part makes sense, the second part, maybe not so much.

Versteeg
- DarthKane

Wouldn't surprise me to be honest and definitely is not the worst option. But I think Bowman will set his sights a bit higher this time.

Wouldn't surprise me to be honest and definitely is not the worst option. But I think Bowman will set his sights a bit higher this time.
- 93Joe

Versteeg is the worst option

Versteeg is the worst option
- mrpaulish

Depends on the cost

Versteeg is the worst option
- mrpaulish

Maybe, maybe not - Just my opinion. Just glad I don't have to make these decisions.

Wouldn't surprise me to be honest and definitely is not the worst option. But I think Bowman will set his sights a bit higher this time.
- 93Joe

How about Ladd and Versteeg?

Versteeg
- DarthKane

Depends on the cost
- SaskHawkFan

No it doesnt. Even if they gave us Versteeg at 50% retained that would be the worst.

They are solid drafters and have some other prospects like Zykov and Gravel but I think any deal DL does may require sending back someone like King or even Pearson. They haven't hit on amateur free agents but their drafting has been better than the Hawks the last 3-4 years.
- tredbrta

Not sure how you determine that? Hartman is the only player drafted by either team in the last 3 years to play an NHL game. in 2012 you have Pearson and TT. In 2011 the Hawks drafted Saad and Shaw, LA's draft hasn't amounted to much yet. Wouldn't say LA has been better.

In other words, you can't assemble a team that will put you over the cap limit if you project forward each player's daily salary for the rest of the year. At the beginning of the year, that daily salary number is the AAV divided by all n days of the season including the upcoming first day. On day 2 of the season, it's the daily salary number projected out for n-1. With our current contracts on the k-th day of the season, there are n-k days left.
- DMChi2010

This is certainly one way to conceptualize it, but it's unnecessarily complicated. Really, all you have to do is add up the cap hits, understanding that a midseason acquisition's cap hit won't be his full AAV.

Take Scuderi. His AAV is $3.375. Pittsburgh retained $1.125, so he's really got a salary of $2.25 for the Hawks' cap purposes. The season started on October 7, and lasts until April 10 - that's 187 days, inclusive. The Hawks acquired Scuderi on December 14, day 69. That means that roughly 63.64% of the season remained to be played when he was acquired. Which should lead to, for this year's purposes, a cap hit of $1.432 for Scuderi. That's what counts against the cap. That's all you have to worry about. When he's in Chicago, he counts $1.432 against the cap. When he's in Rockford, he counts $0.482 against the cap. And together, your players' cap hits can't go above $71.4, or whatever it is.

By the way, if you want to read more about this, the relevant sections are 50.5(e)(iv) and (e)(v).

Anyway, sending Scuderi to Rockford would open up $950,000 in real cap space. (Under the current CBA, you can't completely bury a cap hit in the AHL.) If he goes there tomorrow, as seems likely, there would 28.88% (54 days) of the season remaining. For the purposes of player acquisition, i.e. taking into account the fact that you get to pro-rate an acquisition's salary to determine his cap hit, that effectively opens $3.289 million in salary that you can acquire tomorrow that you can't today. That's a hefty chunk of change.

Now if the deal is done on deadline day, which is leap day this year, there would be 42 days left in the season. That's 22.46% of the season. So the $950k in cap savings becomes $4.23 million in salary that you can take on.

Depends on the cost
- SaskHawkFan

If only for his cap hit, he does not solve the problem.

I'll say again, without a legit 1LW this team cannot win the cup, no matter how deep your bottom six forwards are.

Lines one and two need to be equally dangerous so as to allow Shaw to move down, and permit four solid lines to roll every night.

Dunno if the Hawks would do TT + Danault for Patch, but I'm not sure it's a terrible hockey trade when you consider the positive domino effect on the Hawk lineup AND Kruger likely coming back.

TT + Pokka + a pick is to me a good deal for the Hawks.
- John Jaeckel

What if the Hawks traded Danault with the deal you said (Danault+TT) & made a separate trade for Rask to replace him?

Yes it is...

...but this is a hockey rumor site. Speculation runs rampant on occasion.
- ArlingtonRob

...not to mention that delusional thinking, pie in the sky dreams, and utter insanity runs rampant as well...

...not to mention that delusional thinking, pie in the sky dreams, and utter insanity runs rampant as well...
- Kewl1

And that's just on Tuesdays.......

Would love for Patch, but doubt it. Now Galchenyuk or Emelin seem much more likely to me. Would love for Galchenyuk to be our 3rd Center- damn. Easily send teets that way with Gal coming back. Emelin would be a sweet bottom pairing guy who plays tough.

I've said before Fleischmann would be a great depth LW IMO and better than Versteeg for a similar low price and lower cap hit.

I'd rather see Ladd or Staal at rental prices than Skinner with all the moving parts.
- TheCore

What will you give up for Emelin? 2 more years at 4.1MM I think. Markov would be better option for you but would need salary coming the other way.

What if the Hawks traded Danault with the deal you said (Danault+TT) & made a separate trade for Rask to replace him?
- Dabearshawks

I'd rather have Rask or Patches. Rask has looked good in the top 6 of a porous CAR offense, and I think he could thrive with the lottery spot.

That said even if we did try and trade for him, cap wouldn't unless bickell was sent the other way, which means Dano is the only option (maybe schmaltz but i think Dano is the #1 as others have mentioned)

Not enough chips to get them both without having a bowl of dip and your hands left.

What if the Hawks traded Danault with the deal you said (Danault+TT) & made a separate trade for Rask to replace him?
- Dabearshawks

Is this a possibility? I like where your head is at!

What will you give up for Emelin? 2 more years at 4.1MM I think. Markov would be better option for you but would need salary coming the other way.
- Croft_31

4.1MM for a bottom pairing? No thanks. Hawks need #1LW.

...not to mention that delusional thinking, pie in the sky dreams, and utter insanity runs rampant as well...
- Kewl1

Thats part of the fun. You just need to take all these possibilities with a little grain of salt.

A deal with MTL for Patch makes no sense from the Canadians point of view. Patch is one of their core, and I doubt Bergevin is dumping him for any combination of TT/Danault/Dano/Pokka, etc. Patch is the best player in any of those permutations, and will be for several years to come. The MTL press and fanbase would roast him for any deal that does not bring back solid NHL players. NO combination of 2 of those Hawk prospects makes MTL better next season, and when Price comes back they are right back in the thick of things.

A deal for a UFA like Ladd makes more sense because the Jets can get some young pieces in return and still have the possibility of re-signing Ladd in the off-season.

The fantasy dealings here are tons of fun to speculate/dream/wish/etc. but the reality says there needs to be a actual perceived benefit to both sides for it to be feasible.

Keep flooding the market with rental forwards even if they are not actually available it will bring the asking price down for who the Hawks acquire