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tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Feb 16 @ 12:58 PM ET
I agree there is blame to go around on the puck possession side.
Much of it has to do with not having 4 lines going at the same time....And the passing is not as sharp this year as in the past.

If I were writing the formula for Bowman he should look for an available player that is currently more of a 2nd liner on a lesser team...Kind of like Vermette and then bring him here to anchor the 3rd line.

There still is a good deal of inexperience out on the ice, so it wouldn't hurt to bring in a player Q will trust and can find a spot for...

- Al


The players to anchor lines 3 and 4 are here. Shaw and Krueger. Obtaining another 3rd liner looks redundant to me. Obtain a player who can slot in at 1LW and you can move Shaw down and wait for Krueger to come back - resulting in Mash in the PB for the playoffs along with the lesser of Panik, Sekac and Ras. I like Mex's idea of Rasmussen at 4LW. Gives Q many faceoff options.
TommyHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2013

Feb 16 @ 12:58 PM ET
you still think you won that daley - scuds trade?
- martox

The fact that someone was willing to even take Daley was a win on its own.
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Feb 16 @ 1:00 PM ET
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Scuderi (CHI) on waivers.

- Fruitcakenipple


John called this Saturday.

No, no sources to see here. Blogger has no sources.
darklighter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.11.2015

Feb 16 @ 1:01 PM ET
since the salary cap is a daily accrual
- hawkeytalkman


It's not, actually. It just looks that way when it comes to midseason acquisitions.
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Feb 16 @ 1:02 PM ET
TT may never fit in here but his talent level is far above Dano or anyone in Rockford.
I think TT needs to play with skillful players and there are only so many to go around, even on this club.

Players need to be put in a position to succeed and so far TT hasn't shown the ability to adapt to any situation.

- Al


I think that is somewhat the problem.

TT has shown he has skill, he needs to figure out how to make the players around him better. Elite players and "core players" make the players around them better. Kane has been saddled with sub-standard centers and wingers over the years and still makes it work.

If TT is an un-touchable, then he needs to learn how to carry the play and make those around him better. If he truly is someone that "needs to play with skillful players", then he can be replaced. Lot's of people can play with skillful players.
Mino42
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philipsburg, PA
Joined: 08.10.2015

Feb 16 @ 1:04 PM ET
We'll let you know this summer.

How is the 4.5 million Daley doing for you guys

- BetweenTheDots


Great! Thanks for asking
HelloFriend
Joined: 01.06.2016

Feb 16 @ 1:04 PM ET
FWIW, Hogs picked up former D prospect Jonathan Carlsson on a PTO yesterday. AFAIK, none of the D players are hurt and Cumiskey is a week or two away.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 16 @ 1:07 PM ET
I think that is somewhat the problem.

TT has shown he has skill, he needs to figure out how to make the players around him better. Elite players and "core players" make the players around them better. Kane has been saddled with sub-standard centers and wingers over the years and still makes it work.

If TT is an un-touchable, then he needs to learn how to carry the play and make those around him better. If he truly is someone that "needs to play with skillful players", then he can be replaced. Lot's of people can play with skillful players.

- TheTrob


This could also be some tough love as well go out play against the best in the world and if you don't want to train expect to get your but kicked every night. I just keep thinking of all the valuable experience he's gaining which will only help us going forward
Hossa1881
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 07.01.2011

Feb 16 @ 1:08 PM ET
you still think you won that daley - scuds trade?
- martox


Are you still acting like that Despres for Lovejoy trade didn't happen?
martox
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Stockholm - "Nights when we don't have our A-game, we better have our A-commitment & A-effort."
Joined: 09.25.2014

Feb 16 @ 1:09 PM ET
Are you still acting like that Despres for Lovejoy trade didn't happen?
- Hossa1881

that was a bad trade yes. never said it wasn't. I am talking about daley/scuds trade.
ChicagoDave
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.20.2013

Feb 16 @ 1:09 PM ET
Are you still acting like that Despres for Lovejoy trade didn't happen?
- Hossa1881

hawkeytalkman
Joined: 01.11.2016

Feb 16 @ 1:10 PM ET
It's not, actually. It just looks that way when it comes to midseason acquisitions.
- darklighter


Im 100% certain its a daily figure that calculates out

The salary cap is a daily cap, not a season cap. Stan has confirmed this MULTIPLE times. Its also why Stan shuffles prospects back and forth on a daily basis sometimes without even having guys report to Chicago. Its cap saving maneuvers because of the daily accrual

Team salary expenditures are calculated on a daily basis from the first day to the final day of the NHL regular season.

http://proicehockey.about...a/2013_nhl_salary_cap.htm
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Feb 16 @ 1:10 PM ET
And let me add, while not exactly the same player as Vermette, a little bit of Andrew Ladd could be just what the doctor ordered
- John Jaeckel


He may not have the speed but Ladd would be great to have against the teams of scum like the Blues, Kings and Ducks. He needs to be 100% for the playoffs though and the price needs to be low. His production does not warrant the reported ask.
hankscorpio
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 07.06.2015

Feb 16 @ 1:11 PM ET
Great! Thanks for asking
- Mino42


So the Penguins are not sitting on the outside looking in?
spudrock512
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 08.20.2014

Feb 16 @ 1:12 PM ET
that was a bad trade yes. never said it wasn't. I am talking about daley/scuds trade.
- martox



If you guys are happy with Daley, then it is a win for both of us. Obviously the trade was to get rid of salary and Daley was not working in the Hawks system. We get cap room for a player we don't need, and you get a player that must be better in the Penguins system.

I defiantly do NOT miss Daley though. Glad he is gone and the Hawks are better without him - and without Scuderi.
Hossa1881
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 07.01.2011

Feb 16 @ 1:12 PM ET
that was a bad trade yes. never said it wasn't. I am talking about daley/scuds trade.
- martox


So don't come here trying to troll when the management of that team is an epic joke. They have had Letang, Crosby, Malkin, and Fleury to build a team around and they couldn't win the Cup more than once in the last decade? BYE
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Feb 16 @ 1:13 PM ET
This doesnt really make sense or else they would have LTIRd Kruger BEFORE sending down scuderi.

If Bowman REALLY was going to hug the cap ceiling to get the maximum LTIR benefit for Kruger, he would have kept Scuderi up AND recalled bickell AND swapped out a lower current salaried roster player or two like Svedberg at $575k for a more expensive ice hog like Pokka at $925k. All those moves just bump us closer to the cap

Moving scuderi down and recalling anyone from rockford is a pretty even money swap.

If anything he is just sending down scuderi and calling up someone cheaper to be another day farther under the cap (since the salary cap is a daily accrual) and he is trying to bank as much cap space available to have at the TDL

- hawkeytalkman

He hasn't been sent down yet. He would need to clear before being sent down. I believe waivers are a 24 hour process?
Croft_31
Season Ticket Holder
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 10.06.2014

Feb 16 @ 1:13 PM ET
Hawks fans how about Markov for Bickell, prospect or depth D-men, and 2016 1st? Not too up on Hawks prospects but this can make some sense for both teams as Markov cap hit this year and next can be offset by Bickell and Habs get upside in a prospect and/or 1st rounder. What is Dano worth?

Not sure what the market would be for Markov?

Other options would be Tom Gilbert or Mark Barbario for draft picks... maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder?

hawkeytalkman
Joined: 01.11.2016

Feb 16 @ 1:14 PM ET
He hasn't been sent down yet. He would need to clear before being sent down. I believe waivers are a 24 hour process?
- scottak


Correct. I think most are operating under the assumption he clears and goes down
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 16 @ 1:18 PM ET
Great! Thanks for asking
- Mino42


It was also nice of you guys to let us have the full savings of waiving him
busmaster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 08.06.2010

Feb 16 @ 1:18 PM ET
you still think you won that daley - scuds trade?
- martox



Replace the word Scuds with "Bag of pucks" to which we owe the same salary and the answer is still yes.
hawkeytalkman
Joined: 01.11.2016

Feb 16 @ 1:19 PM ET
Im 100% certain its a daily figure that calculates out

The salary cap is a daily cap, not a season cap. Stan has confirmed this MULTIPLE times. Its also why Stan shuffles prospects back and forth on a daily basis sometimes without even having guys report to Chicago. Its cap saving maneuvers because of the daily accrual

Team salary expenditures are calculated on a daily basis from the first day to the final day of the NHL regular season.

http://proicehockey.about...a/2013_nhl_salary_cap.htm

- hawkeytalkman


Here is a great breakdown with some examples:

Well, it's pretty simple. General Fanager and most of the other cap web sites out there are taking the total salary cap hit for each player on the roster and counting it up. The flaw in that type of calculation is that when you're recalling a player, you only need enough cap space to cover the pro-rated cap hit for that player for the rest of the season. You also have to include the cap hit applied for players that were on the roster previously during the cap-year. For example, Adam Erne and Slater Koekkoek were on the Lightning's opening night roster. With one day each on the NHL roster, they have contributed a little less than $10,000 combined towards the salary cap this season.

The goal of the salary cap is that by the end of the year, an NHL team will have "spent" less than the upper limit of the salary cap and spent more than the lower limit, as it's officially called in the collective bargaining agreement. That includes the partial time that players spend on the roster on recalls from the minors. In the Lightning's case, that includes like Kevin Poulin, who spend time on the NHL roster and were later traded. That includes retained salaries and buyouts and buried contracts.

Whenever you add a player - by recall or by trade - you must have enough room left under the salary cap's upper limit to cover the players remaining salary cap hit for the year with the assumption they will stay on the roster the rest of the year.


http://www.rawcharge.com/...trusting-salary-cap-sites
darklighter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.11.2015

Feb 16 @ 1:19 PM ET
You know, the longer and longer this SOG "problem" goes with the Hawks still winning, the more I wonder if the coaching staff knows something that we don't. I'm a big numbers guy, but I know they can't tell the whole story. Quality matters. There's a reason one-timers are so dangerous: goalies don't have as much time to set up as they would if the shooter settled the puck down first.

I didn't watch much of the game last night, but I suspect a lot of those Toronto shots were not high-probability shots. Darling's thievery being one obvious exception.

Even so, the Hawks simply aren't carrying as much play as they ordinarily do. By the measure of Corsi close (shot attempts when the score is tied or it's a one-goal game in the 1st or 2nd period), the Hawks are noticeably mediocre this year, carrying just over 51% of the play in such circumstances. They're normally at about 55%, plus or minus 1% or so. They're also virtually always at the top of the league in that stat. For instance, in 2010-11, they carried about 54% of the close play under that metric, second in the league behind the San Jose Sharks. (But does anybody think that the 2010-11 team was better than this one?)

My sense of it is that the Hawks' game always starts in the back. Teams seem to have a better lock on their transition game than in previous years. But that's a completely uninformed opinion. I'll leave it to those who actually know how to play hockey to figure out what, exactly, the Hawks can do to make this better.
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Feb 16 @ 1:19 PM ET
you still think you won that daley - scuds trade?
- martox


Unquestionably. Losing the Daley cap hit along with waiving Rundblad gave the team Gustaffson. Waiving Scuderi gives them even more flexibility.

Compare records since the trade. In particular since the Gustafson call up.

Also, enjoy Daley in the playoffs.... if you make it.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Feb 16 @ 1:19 PM ET
Correct. I think most are operating under the assumption he clears and goes down
- hawkeytalkman

He may never get sent down. They need to make this procedural move to give them the flexibility to make any upcoming moves.

If not claimed, the sequence would be:

Waive Scuderi
Claimed or clears
Krugs to LTIR
Scuderi sent down if not claimed
trade made
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