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jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Feb 21 @ 2:17 PM ET
Ironically, all my claims are supportable.
- James_Tanner


I mean with objective numbers. Not with the biased goggles on.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Feb 21 @ 2:27 PM ET
Unlucky.
- smellmyfinger


Corsi - reality = luck + You don't understand
LeftCoaster
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Duck City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Feb 21 @ 3:14 PM ET
Unlucky.
- smellmyfinger

kessellover69
Joined: 08.20.2014

Feb 21 @ 3:55 PM ET
"One thing that is most impressive about Kadri, is that despite playing on the absolute worst team in the NHL, he ranks equal to Kopitar as the 20th best centre in the league at preventing shots.

Kadri's 27.14 Shots Against/60 is 20th among centres with 1000 minutes played. Think about how everyone on LA is just absolutely ridiculous at puck possession, and then think about how while playing for the LEAFS Kadri is allowing the same amount of shots against as defensive monster Anze Kopitar."

Its not that impressive when you realize that you included special teams for your convenience and Kadri has played all of 3 minutes short handed this year. Sort for only 5 on 5 and 500 minutes and Kadri ranks 113.

- rmdevil313

When's jamesy gonna respond to this. Funny how he always disappears when someone calls him out.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Feb 21 @ 5:11 PM ET
Damn, sucks to hear that Black Mass was disappointing. Thought it looked pretty good. No issues watching Goodfellas again though. Have you seen/are you planning on going to see Deadpool?
- Mordecai



I don't know if it was a bad movie, just not very much suspense or reason to care about the characters. I didn't bore me and I didn't hate it, I was just hoping it was going to be amazing.

As for Deadpool, can't wait. Three kids, hard to get to the actual theatre and not see a Minions movie.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Feb 21 @ 5:14 PM ET
"One thing that is most impressive about Kadri, is that despite playing on the absolute worst team in the NHL, he ranks equal to Kopitar as the 20th best centre in the league at preventing shots.

Kadri's 27.14 Shots Against/60 is 20th among centres with 1000 minutes played. Think about how everyone on LA is just absolutely ridiculous at puck possession, and then think about how while playing for the LEAFS Kadri is allowing the same amount of shots against as defensive monster Anze Kopitar."

Its not that impressive when you realize that you included special teams for your convenience and Kadri has played all of 3 minutes short handed this year. Sort for only 5 on 5 and 500 minutes and Kadri ranks 113.

- rmdevil313


Yeah that was my mistake. I thought I was looking at 5v5. I re-checked, you are right.


LeftCoaster
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Duck City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Feb 21 @ 5:27 PM ET
Yeah that was my mistake. I thought I was looking at 5v5. I re-checked, you are right.
- James_Tanner

Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Feb 21 @ 5:33 PM ET
I don't know if it was a bad movie, just not very much suspense or reason to care about the characters. I didn't bore me and I didn't hate it, I was just hoping it was going to be amazing.

As for Deadpool, can't wait. Three kids, hard to get to the actual theatre and not see a Minions movie.

- James_Tanner


Gotcha. No kids here, but the lady and I have been pretty tied up with school/work recently. Hoping to get out to see Deadpool within the next week or so. Sick goal from Kadri vs the flyers last night.
13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 21 @ 7:08 PM ET
The thing about Kadri and his shots is he doesn't have a very good one. Don't get me wrong, I really like him as a player and want to see him remain a leaf, but when you watch him play, goalies can see that shot coming from a mile away. 90% of the time it goes right into the glove cause his release is not very quick and he winds up for the wrister. We're talking milliseconds here, but it makes all the difference, any decent goal scorer gets their shot off hard, accurately and quick off the blade. If he can improve on that in the off season he'll be very dangerous
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 21 @ 7:15 PM ET
Kadri's D looks as good as Kopitar because he plays with possibly the best defensive winger in the game. Not knocking Kadri....just saying.

Plus Kadri has 1000 shots because Komarov gives him the puck EVERY time he gets it and heads for the net. Put Kadri with a shooting winger and his shots will be 1/2 as high and his goals will probably go up from banging in rebounds.

Go Leafs Go
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Feb 21 @ 7:34 PM ET
Kadri's not as good as some of his stats and not as bad as some of his results this year. They should hold onto him and see what happens, they'll get a decent price on him. The Leafs should actually stand by guys they drafted and developed for a change. They've never done that before, seems crazy enough to work.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

Feb 21 @ 7:52 PM ET
Kadri's D looks as good as Kopitar because he plays with possibly the best defensive winger in the game. Not knocking Kadri....just saying.

Plus Kadri has 1000 shots because Komarov gives him the puck EVERY time he gets it and heads for the net. Put Kadri with a shooting winger and his shots will be 1/2 as high and his goals will probably go up from banging in rebounds.

Go Leafs Go

- Garnie


Komarov is a very good defensively but to claim the best defensive winger in the game is a major stretch. Off the top of my head Voracek, Zuccarello, Sedin, Williams are all as good or better defensively with greater bodies of work.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Feb 21 @ 9:19 PM ET
Komarov is a very good defensively but to claim the best defensive winger in the game is a major stretch. Off the top of my head Voracek, Zuccarello, Sedin, Williams are all as good or better defensively with greater bodies of work.
- jfkst1



For sure, I'm just talking this year and ok I exaggerated by 30 or 40 players possibly.

Have you watched many Leaf games this year?
Snowblind
New York Islanders
Joined: 03.08.2014

Feb 21 @ 11:13 PM ET
Steven Stamkos (born 2/7/90) is a player in decline but Nazim Kadri (born 10/6/90) is a player on the rise?

Those extra 8 months must have been hell!
Snowblind
New York Islanders
Joined: 03.08.2014

Feb 21 @ 11:24 PM ET
[quote=jfkst1]

How would the Leafs signing Stamkos possibly be a bad move for them?

He is a legit superstar in this league. There may be better players in the NHL, but not many and none that are possibly available. Kessel and Phaneuf were killing their cap because they are complementary players they were paying like superstars, which is exactly how how you kill your cap.

If they somehow signed Stamkos, got a top-3 pick that is NHL-ready, and then Marner makes the jump, as well as Nylander and Kapanen, they would leapfrog an awful lot of teams, including their rebuilding neighbors across the lake.
nikel
Buffalo Sabres
Location: las vegas, NV
Joined: 01.15.2013

Feb 21 @ 11:55 PM ET
MINUS: useless stats. 20th best center at preventing shots, come on.....you can't tell me with a straight face that you're not grasping at straws here.

PLUS: Kadri's bad luck will be running out soon as game 72 approaches.....though I'm not sure how else we're going to explain his average stat line
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 22 @ 6:32 AM ET
How would the Leafs signing Stamkos possibly be a bad move for them?

He is a legit superstar in this league. There may be better players in the NHL, but not many and none that are possibly available. Kessel and Phaneuf were killing their cap because they are complementary players they were paying like superstars, which is exactly how how you kill your cap.

If they somehow signed Stamkos, got a top-3 pick that is NHL-ready, and then Marner makes the jump, as well as Nylander and Kapanen, they would leapfrog an awful lot of teams, including their rebuilding neighbors across the lake.

- Snowblind


It's not a bad move. He's not getting along with his coach and it's affecting his game. Most of leaf nation woild embrace Stamkos. Don't believe this crazy talk about Stamkos being done at 26 years old. Especially from someone who compares him to Kessel and Phaneuf. Remember when ovie was done and finished and declining after 1 bad season?

One thing people need to remember is cap space is only valuable and relevant when it comes to team flexibility and having someone better to spend that money on. Leafs will still have a ton of cap space even after spending on Stamkos, along with flexibility. One thing the people who veto a Stamkos signing fail to submit is another option to spend that money more responsibly. I'm done with the Clarksons and Komisareks. All teams over pay for ufas and if we're going to overpay anyone I can't find a better player that will be available potentially than Stamkos.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Feb 22 @ 8:17 AM ET
Steven Stamkos (born 2/7/90) is a player in decline but Nazim Kadri (born 10/6/90) is a player on the rise?

Those extra 8 months must have been hell!

- Snowblind


Players don't follow automatic development paths. Stamkos was a 60 goal player who broke his leg. He's still a great player, but not for max money.

If there was no salary cap, sign him. But since there is, sign the player who's not that much worse but who'll cost half the money.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 22 @ 8:30 AM ET
Players don't follow automatic development paths. Stamkos was a 60 goal player who broke his leg. He's still a great player, but not for max money.

If there was no salary cap, sign him. But since there is, sign the player who's not that much worse but who'll cost half the money.

- James_Tanner


So in other words, settle for a Clarkson. Because that's usually the type of ufa that's out there. At least they'll have cap space. Or maybe sign a Grabovski

Settling for 2nd tier players and over paying them in the process has hurt the Leafs in the past all too often. I'm curious who you think they should sign instead. Have a plan when you make this case otherwise we might as well be talking about unicorns. Stamkos was 2nd in the nhl with 43 goals the year after he broke his leg. Why this doesn't get mentioned is beyond me.

You pay for great players. It's logic. The problems arise when you settle for the 2nd rate talent just to save a buck. Going by your arguement, you'd rather Bozak and Kadri over Stamkos.

Teams like the Hawks have it right. You pay the great and the elite. You can't replace those. You let the 2nd and 3rd class guys walk. Those you can replace.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Feb 22 @ 8:38 AM ET
James, are the Oilers still objectively the best team in the NHL?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 22 @ 9:54 AM ET
watch for stamkos to get hot down the stretch as his PDO continues to climb back up to his 1019 long-term average.

not the 60 scorer he was, but hardly a misuse of cap dollars for a real 40 goal scorer.

comparing kessel's contract to stamkos is a stretch. comparing phanuef's contract to stamkos is utterly ridiculous and has no bearing on whether or not signing stamkos is a good decision or not.
LeftCoaster
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Duck City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Feb 22 @ 11:02 AM ET
James, are the Oilers still objectively the best team in the NHL?
- DoubleDown

The best team at continually losing...my God that team is pathetic. Chiarelli just sitting on his hands like McTavish, make a move for cryin out loud.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Feb 22 @ 12:52 PM ET
So in other words, settle for a Clarkson. Because that's usually the type of ufa that's out there. At least they'll have cap space. Or maybe sign a Grabovski

Settling for 2nd tier players and over paying them in the process has hurt the Leafs in the past all too often. I'm curious who you think they should sign instead. Have a plan when you make this case otherwise we might as well be talking about unicorns. Stamkos was 2nd in the nhl with 43 goals the year after he broke his leg. Why this doesn't get mentioned is beyond me.

You pay for great players. It's logic. The problems arise when you settle for the 2nd rate talent just to save a buck. Going by your arguement, you'd rather Bozak and Kadri over Stamkos.

Teams like the Hawks have it right. You pay the great and the elite. You can't replace those. You let the 2nd and 3rd class guys walk. Those you can replace.

- systemtool


The smart planis to build the team slowly by developing their own picks. It makes no sense for a team on the rise to commit max dollars to a player who isn't worth max money.

Signing any UFA to a long term deal is usually a bad move, so I say do it sparingly and only when your window is open. Far batter to have budget flexibility and the ability to pay for your home-grown stars than to give out the biggest contract in NHL history to a player who is not in the top ten best players in the league category.

To me, unless they are signing one year deals, the Leafs shouldn't be too interested in any UFA.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Feb 22 @ 12:53 PM ET
The best team at continually losing...my God that team is pathetic. Chiarelli just sitting on his hands like McTavish, make a move for cryin out loud.
- LeftCoaster


Why do something just for the sake of it? They have a ton of great players and I am sure they probably will make a trade but no need to rush anything.

Criticizing a patient approach is weird if you ask me. McTavish never made any panic moves to save his job, so I salute him.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Feb 22 @ 12:54 PM ET
watch for stamkos to get hot down the stretch as his PDO continues to climb back up to his 1019 long-term average.

not the 60 scorer he was, but hardly a misuse of cap dollars for a real 40 goal scorer.

comparing kessel's contract to stamkos is a stretch. comparing phanuef's contract to stamkos is utterly ridiculous and has no bearing on whether or not signing stamkos is a good decision or not.

- Tumbleweed


No one is comparing their contracts. Just saying that long term big contracts for declining players is not a good way to build a team.

Stamkos isn't declining to the point were he is crap, but he sure as hell isn't the same guy who scored 60 and scorign 40 isn't worth a max cap hit.
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