Yeah but how many pp points does grandlund have? never thought about that did you???? hmmmmm
- pker2theend

pp points are good, but what about the 5v5 production?

Really??

And you think Shink would of changed that??
- A_SteamingLombardi

I don't think he had any chance in helping this team this year but I do think he had a chance to help in the future.

You don't have to support the trade, but I'm just tired of the complaining, the patience of Canuck fans is that of a 3 year old child and then on top of that you listen to 1040 all day, the amount of negativity is unbelievable. I'm ashamed to be associated with some of you, and that's not a joke.
- A_SteamingLombardi

100%

Mcann, Virt and Boeser are all better snipers than Shink
- CanuckDon

wheres your proof? half of those players dont play in the nhl

Darren Dreger on Toronto's TSN Radio this afternoon.

Asked about the trade
"I don't think think this trade is as one sided as some are saying in the media. With that being said I don't understand it from Vancouver's point of view. Jim Benning since he took over as GM has always stressed the importance of younger players playing their natural position while developing, and now with this trade they get another centerman who looks like he'll have to be moved to the wing because of the log jam of centers within their organization"

blah blah blah

"As we have seen this year Vancouver has put different players on Waivers, and some of those moves with were questionable at the time like when Fran Corrado was lost to waivers. With this trade they lose a Player in Shinkaruk who is in the first year of his 3 year entry level deal and could be sent back and forth from their farm team in Utica for, Marcus Grandlund who is an RFA and will require waivers going forward"

then he gets asked about the suppose critiques from the media and fans over this trade.

"I think this trade is being criticized so much because no one is really aware of what Vancouver's long term and short terms goals seem to be. Short term to me this move tells me Jim Benning thinks they are a playoff team. So my opinion of the Vancouver Canucks at the deadline has changed a lot after today. They may still think of themselves as being buyers. Long term I am still hazy on what their plan is going forward"

...........blah blah blah off-topic.

"What I am saying is with Vancouver is they trade for a 27 year old Brandon Sutter and sign him long term, and Benning labelled him a core piece moving forward. This move along with other signings show a tug-of-war happening within the organization between rebuilding and making the playoffs, and we have seen time and time again this never works out"

I don't think he had any chance in helping this team this year but I do think he had a chance to help in the future.
- belcherbd

Well I'm glad you think he at least had a chance.

Darren Dreger on Toronto's TSN Radio this afternoon.

Asked about the trade
"I don't think think this trade is as one sided as some are saying in the media. With that being said I don't understand it from Vancouver's point of view. Jim Benning since he took over as GM has always stressed the importance of younger players playing their natural position while developing, and now with this trade they get another centerman who looks like he'll have to be moved to the wing because of the log jam of centers within their organization"

blah blah blah

"As we have seen this year Vancouver has put different players on Waivers, and some of those moves with were questionable at the time like when Fran Corrado was lost to waivers. With this trade they lose a Player in Shinkaruk who is in the first year of his 3 year entry level deal and could be sent back and forth from their farm team in Utica for, Marcus Grandlund who is an RFA and will require waivers going forward"

then he gets asked about the suppose critiques from the media and fans over this trade.

"I think this trade is being criticized so much because no one is really aware of what Vancouver's long term and short terms goals seem to be. Short term to me this move tells me Jim Benning thinks they are a playoff team. So my opinion of the Vancouver Canucks at the deadline has changed a lot after today. They may still think of themselves as being buyers. Long term I am still hazy on what their plan is going forward"
...........blah blah blah off-topic.

"What I am saying is with Vancouver is they trade for a 27 year old Brandon Sutter and sign him long term, and Benning labelled him a core piece moving forward. This move along with other signings show a tug-of-war happening within the organization between rebuilding and making the playoffs, and we have seen time and time again this never works out"
- classic321

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whenever i catch the comets highlights shinks goals are usually power play goals and usually off bad rebounds on the weak side when no one is around him..... just something i've noticed.
- Mungo

each goal counts the same. now all of a sudden people say shink is a plug and his goals dont count cus benning made a terrible trade. please

Again you realize that Shink is in that 20-25 year age?
- belcherbd

but he doesnt count because he can score on the PP

#AHL numbers:
Shinkaruk- 119GP 37G 33A 70P 0.59 PPG
Granlund- 85GP 39G 33A 72P 0.85 PPG
- Codes1087

shink came off a big injury his first year to me is meaningless its like cassels this year

Darren Dreger on Toronto's TSN Radio this afternoon.

Asked about the trade
"I don't think think this trade is as one sided as some are saying in the media. With that being said I don't understand it from Vancouver's point of view. Jim Benning since he took over as GM has always stressed the importance of younger players playing their natural position while developing, and now with this trade they get another centerman who looks like he'll have to be moved to the wing because of the log jam of centers within their organization"

blah blah blah

"As we have seen this year Vancouver has put different players on Waivers, and some of those moves with were questionable at the time like when Fran Corrado was lost to waivers. With this trade they lose a Player in Shinkaruk who is in the first year of his 3 year entry level deal and could be sent back and forth from their farm team in Utica for, Marcus Grandlund who is an RFA and will require waivers going forward"

then he gets asked about the suppose critiques from the media and fans over this trade.

"I think this trade is being criticized so much because no one is really aware of what Vancouver's long term and short terms goals seem to be. Short term to me this move tells me Jim Benning thinks they are a playoff team. So my opinion of the Vancouver Canucks at the deadline has changed a lot after today. They may still think of themselves as being buyers. Long term I am still hazy on what their plan is going forward"

...........blah blah blah off-topic.

"What I am saying is with Vancouver is they trade for a 27 year old Brandon Sutter and sign him long term, and Benning labelled him a core piece moving forward. This move along with other signings show a tug-of-war happening within the organization between rebuilding and making the playoffs, and we have seen time and time again this never works out"
- classic321

wow im on the same page as dreger never thought id say it

I don't like the trade.

I am not freaked by it but I don't like it. I have said all year Where does Shink fit in on the Canucks. I never seen him as a fit and never seen JB giving high praises to Shink.

I need to see how it plays out. It could mean a second trade . I need to see how this team looks after next week before saying it is dumb.
- VANTEL

The only real issue I have with the trade is that it would have been nice to gauge Shink here for a full NHL season but I guess it wasn't to be. I think Benning thinks we have another Baertchi here with Granlund. If that's the case great for us...could always backfire but that's life. Granlunds AHL #'s are noticeably better and he brings NHL readiness. Maybe not in the top 6 like Shink may have but again it a wait and see thing. I'm thinking there is another deal or a back door play at works here by Benning. I understand the trade...just not the timing. Really wanted to see Shink play a full year but obviously Benning wasn't high on that.

each goal counts the same. now all of a sudden people say shink is a plug and his goals dont count cus benning made a terrible trade. please
- mauryballstein

My point is that a lot of Shinks goals in the AHL won't translate in the NHL. Watch his AHL highlights... they're all from the same area.

he's a one trick pony and that doesn't take you very far in the NHL.

The only real issue I have with the trade is that it would have been nice to gauge Shink here for a full NHL season but I guess it wasn't to be. I think Benning thinks we have another Baertchi here with Granlund. If that's the case great for us...could always backfire but that's life. Granlunds AHL #'s are noticeably better and he brings NHL readiness. Maybe not in the top 6 like Shink may have but again it a wait and see thing. I'm thinking there is another deal or a back door play at works here by Benning. I understand the trade...just not the timing. Really wanted to see Shink play a full year but obviously Benning wasn't high on that.
- LordHumungous

Daniel Sven Etem , who is the small left side forward going to replace next year?

The only real issue I have with the trade is that it would have been nice to gauge Shink here for a full NHL season but I guess it wasn't to be. I think Benning thinks we have another Baertchi here with Granlund. If that's the case great for us...could always backfire but that's life. Granlunds AHL #'s are noticeably better and he brings NHL readiness. Maybe not in the top 6 like Shink may have but again it a wait and see thing. I'm thinking there is another deal or a back door play at works here by Benning. I understand the trade...just not the timing. Really wanted to see Shink play a full year but obviously Benning wasn't high on that.
- LordHumungous

I agree. I think Benning has proven himself to be fairly good at picking up younger players (Sutter, Baer), so I figure he has an idea of what Granlund can do... I just don't get the timing. Why not have Shink up for some games after the deadline, and if you're still not sold make this trade after the season?

wheres your proof? half of those players dont play in the nhl
- mauryballstein

Proof? Would you like me to gather some data supporting my opinion that they score from diff spots in the offensive zone while Shink is rather one dimensional offensively? I don't think so. Perhaps watch them play and formulate an opinion.

This trade seems pretty clear-cut to me...and status quo for JB when you look at Clendening, Vey, Sven and Etem trades.

JB has traded a known quantity (Granlund) for an unproven prospect.
There is risk involved in this (Clendening obv didn't work out), but JB is hedging bets that Granlund will have a better career than Shink.

That's it.

People say JB is this great scout and able to evaluate young talent...well, he obviously does not like what he see's from SHink in the AHL.
Perhaps he, like many of us, could not see where Shink would fit on the lineup.

I am still unclear why everyone is super surprised by this move, as JB has a clear history of making similar trades.

Shink had some enticing skills, but didn't seem like a bottom 6 capable player and didn't have that wow talent to demand a top 6 role.

Based on your reaction to one minor trade, I'm not sure you guys are going to survive a rebuild.

Wingers are a dime a dozen.
Centres can move to wing easily n also be a back-up on faceoffs.
This deal says JB didn't see Shink being a top 6 NHL winger.
Thats his job n his call. Lets move on.

Based on your reaction to one minor trade, I'm not sure you guys are going to survive a rebuild.
- Canada Cup

Based on your reaction to one minor trade, I'm not sure you guys are going to survive a rebuild.
- Canada Cup

Yeesh.

How gullible are you?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Nothing surprises me when FA smells playoffs

Based on your reaction to one minor trade, I'm not sure you guys are going to survive a rebuild.
- Canada Cup

where were you when we gave up future Norris trophy winner Forsling for Clendening

Based on your reaction to one minor trade, I'm not sure you guys are going to survive a rebuild.
- Canada Cup

Wingers are a dime a dozen.
Centres can move to wing easily n also be a back-up on faceoffs.
This deal says JB didn't see Shink being a top 6 NHL winger.
Thats his job n his call. Lets move on.
- Nighthawk

Actually the reason the Flames traded Granlund was because he struggled so much as a winger in the AHL.