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funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Feb 24 @ 3:13 PM ET
If a guy is truly injured and cannot play why count them at all on the cap?

I guess the concern is faking injury in guys that aren't good anymore but there should be ways to prevent that. Get several independent medical evaluations or something similar.

- Marc D


Yeah I just see some gray area surrounding what qualifies as a career ending injury and teams trying to work around it. I think if you just apply a cap penalty, then there are less questions.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 24 @ 3:13 PM ET
In his AMA, Elliot Friedman said he supports abolishing the salary cap. I like the cut of his jib.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 24 @ 3:14 PM ET
PP1: Ghost, Schenn, Couturier, Jake, Simmonds
PP2: some bumholes

EDIT: I really don't remember who was all out there for PP2

- funmaster18

Don't like PP 1 group, should have used Gagner in the Giroux spot
orangekrush2010
Location: Its fun to do bad things, MT
Joined: 05.17.2010

Feb 24 @ 3:14 PM ET
If I was a 20 something NHL player making million I would hit on all good looking girls too. I would have no shame.

Because once I am out of the league, if I am not a star, who's going to remember me anyways

- J35Bacher


I would most definitely catch all kinds of stuff if I had the ability to do what he can
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 24 @ 3:15 PM ET
If a guy is truly injured and cannot play why count them at all on the cap?

I guess the concern is faking injury in guys that aren't good anymore but there should be ways to prevent that. Get several independent medical evaluations or something similar.

- Marc D


Would vertigo be a legit injury? lol
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 24 @ 3:15 PM ET
In his AMA, Elliot Friedman said he supports abolishing the salary cap. I like the cut of his jib.
- BulliesPhan87


But cost certainty
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 24 @ 3:16 PM ET
In his AMA, Elliot Friedman said he supports abolishing the salary cap. I like the cut of his jib.
- BulliesPhan87



Is this still available to read? On Reddit I'm guessing?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 24 @ 3:16 PM ET
I would most definitely catch all kinds of stuff if I had the ability to do what he can
- orangekrush2010

kej83
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: oc, NJ
Joined: 10.19.2010

Feb 24 @ 3:17 PM ET
Don't like PP 1 group, should have used Gagner in the Giroux spot
- Marc D


cooter was in jakes spot at one point with no one in Girouxs normal spot
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 24 @ 3:17 PM ET
I think at the very least the league could apply a specific cap hit in the event that a team has a player that will never play again. So then they aren't completely off the hook, but it's greatly reduced. they could even make it a % of whatever the existing cap hit is.
- funmaster18


The NHL is pretty stupid and uncreative, so I don't see anything happening to fix it
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Feb 24 @ 3:17 PM ET
Don't like PP 1 group, should have used Gagner in the Giroux spot
- Marc D


Yeah. I'm pretty sure gagner was on PP2, but I've been wrong before
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 24 @ 3:17 PM ET


Is this still available to read? On Reddit I'm guessing?

- Marc D

https://www.reddit.com/r/...sportsnet_ama_on/?sort=qa

EDIT: and the post I'm referring to: https://www.reddit.com/r/..._sportsnet_ama_on/d09kr2e
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 24 @ 3:18 PM ET
Would vertigo be a legit injury? lol
- Scoob

Of course

Hard to skate when everything is spinning
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Feb 24 @ 3:18 PM ET
The NHL is pretty stupid and uncreative, so I don't see anything happening to fix it
- PhillySportsGuy


Thankfully bettman's contract is up soon. O wait
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Feb 24 @ 3:19 PM ET
I missed last night's game
What were the Flyers power play units?

I think they need Medvedev for that 2PP group, they are not very skilled with the puck without him.

- Marc D


PP1: Coots-Ghost-Schenn-Simmer-Jake (Coots filled in on G's half wall. People were ripping him, but really once they gained the zone they weren't bad. G is as good as it gets on the PP, especially gaining entries, so of course there'll be a drop off)

PP2: AMac-Streit-White-Raffl-Cousins....though later in the game Ghost double shifted both units, and Gagner was subbed for either Raffl or Cousins. They were a mess.

Now, once healthy, imagine a second unit like: Coots-Streit-Medvedev-Laughton-Raffl. Why Laughts gets no PP time is insane. Even Chief gave him time. He might have the best shot on the team. He'd be lethal on the left wall. I just don't get it.
orangekrush2010
Location: Its fun to do bad things, MT
Joined: 05.17.2010

Feb 24 @ 3:19 PM ET
In his AMA, Elliot Friedman said he supports abolishing the salary cap. I like the cut of his jib.
- BulliesPhan87


I have been all for getting rid of the cap for so long now. Yes the cap has created more parity but I don't believe its for the better. To me, the game has been diluted to a degree. I like the idea of allowing teams to build absolutely stacked rosters and have epic battles. To me, the stacked teams of the past was one of the reasons we had huge rivalries like Detroit and Colorado. Obviously, the quality of opponent is only one aspect but there were teams like them and the Rangers and Flyers and Penguins who were head and shoulders above the others in the league and when they would collide, it would be intense.

Obviously, the intensity/animosity has gone down and it can't logically all be explained bc of the increased parity, but I think it is one part of it. Because all teams are so equal, they all employ pretty much the same strategies and tactics and it hasn't really let teams to develop their own unique identities (AS much as in the past). Also, it is damn near impossible to keep all of your young talent as they develop, as is, because they will require new contracts you won't be able to afford. Yeah, Chicago has kept most of their core in tact but that is more the exception than the rule.

Maybe I'm not expressing it correctly, but I think the salary cap has led to a watered down product essentially.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 24 @ 3:19 PM ET
cooter was in jakes spot at one point with no one in Girouxs normal spot
- kej83


Interesting

So the whole pp formation was changed up?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 24 @ 3:21 PM ET
But cost certainty
- Scoob

I sure do love the accounting side of following my favorite team, especially when the league doesn't seem to want me to know the basic details
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Feb 24 @ 3:22 PM ET
Interesting

So the whole pp formation was changed up?

- Marc D


It wasn't. They ran the same umbrella with Coots in Giroux's spot. As is want to happen, spots get changed up on the fly situationally.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 24 @ 3:23 PM ET
I have been all for getting rid of the cap for so long now. Yes the cap has created more parity but I don't believe its for the better. To me, the game has been diluted to a degree. I like the idea of allowing teams to build absolutely stacked rosters and have epic battles. To me, the stacked teams of the past was one of the reasons we had huge rivalries like Detroit and Colorado. Obviously, the quality of opponent is only one aspect but there were teams like them and the Rangers and Flyers and Penguins who were head and shoulders above the others in the league and when they would collide, it would be intense.

Obviously, the intensity/animosity has gone down and it can't logically all be explained bc of the increased parity, but I think it is one part of it. Because all teams are so equal, they all employ pretty much the same strategies and tactics and it hasn't really let teams to develop their own unique identities (AS much as in the past). Also, it is damn near impossible to keep all of your young talent as they develop, as is, because they will require new contracts you won't be able to afford. Yeah, Chicago has kept most of their core in tact but that is more the exception than the rule.

- orangekrush2010


Per your last part, I'd like to do one of the following:

1) Any player that you drafted and who has never played for another NHL team can have his salary not count against the cap.

2) Any player(s) that you drafted and who have never played for another NHL team only count against your cap at 90% of their salary (i.e. $10M and 8 years counts as $9M for 8 years).

This keeps the cap in place, but rewards teams for not signing FA's to massive deals.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 24 @ 3:24 PM ET
Thankfully bettman's contract is up soon. O wait
- funmaster18


It's amazing that a commissioner can be part of 3 (likely going to be 4) work stoppages and 1 complete lockout and still be deemed a success.
Tomfan365
Joined: 03.11.2013

Feb 24 @ 3:25 PM ET
I'd choose either pretzel or hot dogs. Churro is just a fad and besides, the other 2 would allow you to branch out into the lucrative field of mustard distribution
- BiggE


Pretzel dog stand, boom! ALL the toppings, gonna be rich
orangekrush2010
Location: Its fun to do bad things, MT
Joined: 05.17.2010

Feb 24 @ 3:26 PM ET
Per your last part, I'd like to do one of the following:

1) Any player that you drafted and who has never played for another NHL team can have his salary not count against the cap.

2) Any player(s) that you drafted and who have never played for another NHL team only count against your cap at 90% of their salary (i.e. $10M and 8 years counts as $9M for 8 years).

This keeps the cap in place, but rewards teams for not signing FA's to massive deals.

- jmatchett383


I think adding in too many wrinkles to the rules in place now just convolutes things too much. Also, without the cap, we would see far more deals which would definitely make things more interesting. I just think it would be simpler to do without it. Owners wouldn't agree but its just a better product.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 24 @ 3:27 PM ET
Pretzel dog stand, boom! ALL the toppings, gonna be rich
- Tomfan365


BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 24 @ 3:28 PM ET
I have been all for getting rid of the cap for so long now. Yes the cap has created more parity but I don't believe its for the better. To me, the game has been diluted to a degree. I like the idea of allowing teams to build absolutely stacked rosters and have epic battles. To me, the stacked teams of the past was one of the reasons we had huge rivalries like Detroit and Colorado. Obviously, the quality of opponent is only one aspect but there were teams like them and the Rangers and Flyers and Penguins who were head and shoulders above the others in the league and when they would collide, it would be intense.

Obviously, the intensity/animosity has gone down and it can't logically all be explained bc of the increased parity, but I think it is one part of it. Because all teams are so equal, they all employ pretty much the same strategies and tactics and it hasn't really let teams to develop their own unique identities (AS much as in the past). Also, it is damn near impossible to keep all of your young talent as they develop, as is, because they will require new contracts you won't be able to afford. Yeah, Chicago has kept most of their core in tact but that is more the exception than the rule.

- orangekrush2010

The parity is just a marketable side effect of controlling player salaries. Other side effects include transactions that make little sense to anybody who doesn't follow the numbers closely, league wide roster stiffness, and teams generally needing to either wager years of potential cap paralysis or game the system (and hope Bettman doesn't take offense) just to improve their team. It's just dandy, loads of fun.
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