funmaster18
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Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine. Joined: 03.15.2009
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If a guy is truly injured and cannot play why count them at all on the cap?
I guess the concern is faking injury in guys that aren't good anymore but there should be ways to prevent that. Get several independent medical evaluations or something similar. - Marc D
Yeah I just see some gray area surrounding what qualifies as a career ending injury and teams trying to work around it. I think if you just apply a cap penalty, then there are less questions. |
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BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz Joined: 07.31.2009
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In his AMA, Elliot Friedman said he supports abolishing the salary cap. I like the cut of his jib. |
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Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees Joined: 03.28.2008
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PP1: Ghost, Schenn, Couturier, Jake, Simmonds
PP2: some bumholes
EDIT: I really don't remember who was all out there for PP2 - funmaster18
Don't like PP 1 group, should have used Gagner in the Giroux spot |
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If I was a 20 something NHL player making million I would hit on all good looking girls too. I would have no shame.
Because once I am out of the league, if I am not a star, who's going to remember me anyways - J35Bacher
I would most definitely catch all kinds of stuff if I had the ability to do what he can |
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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: love is love Joined: 06.29.2006
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If a guy is truly injured and cannot play why count them at all on the cap?
I guess the concern is faking injury in guys that aren't good anymore but there should be ways to prevent that. Get several independent medical evaluations or something similar. - Marc D
Would vertigo be a legit injury? lol |
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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: love is love Joined: 06.29.2006
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In his AMA, Elliot Friedman said he supports abolishing the salary cap. I like the cut of his jib. - BulliesPhan87
But cost certainty |
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Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees Joined: 03.28.2008
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In his AMA, Elliot Friedman said he supports abolishing the salary cap. I like the cut of his jib. - BulliesPhan87
Is this still available to read? On Reddit I'm guessing? |
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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM! Joined: 04.17.2012
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I would most definitely catch all kinds of stuff if I had the ability to do what he can - orangekrush2010
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kej83
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: oc, NJ Joined: 10.19.2010
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Don't like PP 1 group, should have used Gagner in the Giroux spot - Marc D
cooter was in jakes spot at one point with no one in Girouxs normal spot |
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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ Joined: 04.08.2012
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I think at the very least the league could apply a specific cap hit in the event that a team has a player that will never play again. So then they aren't completely off the hook, but it's greatly reduced. they could even make it a % of whatever the existing cap hit is. - funmaster18
The NHL is pretty stupid and uncreative, so I don't see anything happening to fix it |
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funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine. Joined: 03.15.2009
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Don't like PP 1 group, should have used Gagner in the Giroux spot - Marc D
Yeah. I'm pretty sure gagner was on PP2, but I've been wrong before |
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BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz Joined: 07.31.2009
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Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees Joined: 03.28.2008
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Would vertigo be a legit injury? lol - Scoob
Of course
Hard to skate when everything is spinning |
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funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine. Joined: 03.15.2009
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The NHL is pretty stupid and uncreative, so I don't see anything happening to fix it - PhillySportsGuy
Thankfully bettman's contract is up soon. O wait |
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Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest! Joined: 07.19.2015
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I missed last night's game
What were the Flyers power play units?
I think they need Medvedev for that 2PP group, they are not very skilled with the puck without him. - Marc D
PP1: Coots-Ghost-Schenn-Simmer-Jake (Coots filled in on G's half wall. People were ripping him, but really once they gained the zone they weren't bad. G is as good as it gets on the PP, especially gaining entries, so of course there'll be a drop off)
PP2: AMac-Streit-White-Raffl-Cousins....though later in the game Ghost double shifted both units, and Gagner was subbed for either Raffl or Cousins. They were a mess.
Now, once healthy, imagine a second unit like: Coots-Streit-Medvedev-Laughton-Raffl. Why Laughts gets no PP time is insane. Even Chief gave him time. He might have the best shot on the team. He'd be lethal on the left wall. I just don't get it. |
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In his AMA, Elliot Friedman said he supports abolishing the salary cap. I like the cut of his jib. - BulliesPhan87
I have been all for getting rid of the cap for so long now. Yes the cap has created more parity but I don't believe its for the better. To me, the game has been diluted to a degree. I like the idea of allowing teams to build absolutely stacked rosters and have epic battles. To me, the stacked teams of the past was one of the reasons we had huge rivalries like Detroit and Colorado. Obviously, the quality of opponent is only one aspect but there were teams like them and the Rangers and Flyers and Penguins who were head and shoulders above the others in the league and when they would collide, it would be intense.
Obviously, the intensity/animosity has gone down and it can't logically all be explained bc of the increased parity, but I think it is one part of it. Because all teams are so equal, they all employ pretty much the same strategies and tactics and it hasn't really let teams to develop their own unique identities (AS much as in the past). Also, it is damn near impossible to keep all of your young talent as they develop, as is, because they will require new contracts you won't be able to afford. Yeah, Chicago has kept most of their core in tact but that is more the exception than the rule.
Maybe I'm not expressing it correctly, but I think the salary cap has led to a watered down product essentially. |
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Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees Joined: 03.28.2008
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cooter was in jakes spot at one point with no one in Girouxs normal spot - kej83
Interesting
So the whole pp formation was changed up? |
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BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz Joined: 07.31.2009
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But cost certainty - Scoob
I sure do love the accounting side of following my favorite team, especially when the league doesn't seem to want me to know the basic details |
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Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest! Joined: 07.19.2015
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Interesting
So the whole pp formation was changed up? - Marc D
It wasn't. They ran the same umbrella with Coots in Giroux's spot. As is want to happen, spots get changed up on the fly situationally. |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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I have been all for getting rid of the cap for so long now. Yes the cap has created more parity but I don't believe its for the better. To me, the game has been diluted to a degree. I like the idea of allowing teams to build absolutely stacked rosters and have epic battles. To me, the stacked teams of the past was one of the reasons we had huge rivalries like Detroit and Colorado. Obviously, the quality of opponent is only one aspect but there were teams like them and the Rangers and Flyers and Penguins who were head and shoulders above the others in the league and when they would collide, it would be intense.
Obviously, the intensity/animosity has gone down and it can't logically all be explained bc of the increased parity, but I think it is one part of it. Because all teams are so equal, they all employ pretty much the same strategies and tactics and it hasn't really let teams to develop their own unique identities (AS much as in the past). Also, it is damn near impossible to keep all of your young talent as they develop, as is, because they will require new contracts you won't be able to afford. Yeah, Chicago has kept most of their core in tact but that is more the exception than the rule. - orangekrush2010
Per your last part, I'd like to do one of the following:
1) Any player that you drafted and who has never played for another NHL team can have his salary not count against the cap.
2) Any player(s) that you drafted and who have never played for another NHL team only count against your cap at 90% of their salary (i.e. $10M and 8 years counts as $9M for 8 years).
This keeps the cap in place, but rewards teams for not signing FA's to massive deals. |
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PhillySportsGuy
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Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ Joined: 04.08.2012
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Thankfully bettman's contract is up soon. O wait - funmaster18
It's amazing that a commissioner can be part of 3 (likely going to be 4) work stoppages and 1 complete lockout and still be deemed a success. |
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I'd choose either pretzel or hot dogs. Churro is just a fad and besides, the other 2 would allow you to branch out into the lucrative field of mustard distribution - BiggE
Pretzel dog stand, boom! ALL the toppings, gonna be rich |
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Per your last part, I'd like to do one of the following:
1) Any player that you drafted and who has never played for another NHL team can have his salary not count against the cap.
2) Any player(s) that you drafted and who have never played for another NHL team only count against your cap at 90% of their salary (i.e. $10M and 8 years counts as $9M for 8 years).
This keeps the cap in place, but rewards teams for not signing FA's to massive deals. - jmatchett383
I think adding in too many wrinkles to the rules in place now just convolutes things too much. Also, without the cap, we would see far more deals which would definitely make things more interesting. I just think it would be simpler to do without it. Owners wouldn't agree but its just a better product. |
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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: South Jersey, NJ Joined: 01.16.2009
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Pretzel dog stand, boom! ALL the toppings, gonna be rich - Tomfan365
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BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz Joined: 07.31.2009
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I have been all for getting rid of the cap for so long now. Yes the cap has created more parity but I don't believe its for the better. To me, the game has been diluted to a degree. I like the idea of allowing teams to build absolutely stacked rosters and have epic battles. To me, the stacked teams of the past was one of the reasons we had huge rivalries like Detroit and Colorado. Obviously, the quality of opponent is only one aspect but there were teams like them and the Rangers and Flyers and Penguins who were head and shoulders above the others in the league and when they would collide, it would be intense.
Obviously, the intensity/animosity has gone down and it can't logically all be explained bc of the increased parity, but I think it is one part of it. Because all teams are so equal, they all employ pretty much the same strategies and tactics and it hasn't really let teams to develop their own unique identities (AS much as in the past). Also, it is damn near impossible to keep all of your young talent as they develop, as is, because they will require new contracts you won't be able to afford. Yeah, Chicago has kept most of their core in tact but that is more the exception than the rule. - orangekrush2010
The parity is just a marketable side effect of controlling player salaries. Other side effects include transactions that make little sense to anybody who doesn't follow the numbers closely, league wide roster stiffness, and teams generally needing to either wager years of potential cap paralysis or game the system (and hope Bettman doesn't take offense) just to improve their team. It's just dandy, loads of fun. |
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