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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 24 @ 3:29 PM ET
[quote=BulliesPhan87]

Lol

Even Elliot rips the Sixers
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Feb 24 @ 3:31 PM ET
Pretzel dog stand, boom! ALL the toppings, gonna be rich
- Tomfan365

orangekrush2010
Location: Its fun to do bad things, MT
Joined: 05.17.2010

Feb 24 @ 3:32 PM ET
The parity is just a marketable side effect of controlling player salaries. Other side effects include transactions that make little sense to anybody who doesn't follow the numbers closely, league wide roster stiffness, and teams generally needing to either wager years of potential cap paralysis or game the system (and hope Bettman doesn't take offense) just to improve their team. It's just dandy, loads of fun.
- BulliesPhan87


I am a diehard fan like a lot of us here but I have to admit the league has really been boring for me to watch and follow (games wise and otherwise) the past few years. Maybe it has been because the flyers have been so mediocre to bad but when I watch any game, for the most part they all seem to be much more boring than in the past. Like when is the last time we got so amped watching a game like when the flyers would play the penguins even back just 8 years ago.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 24 @ 3:35 PM ET
PP1: Coots-Ghost-Schenn-Simmer-Jake (Coots filled in on G's half wall. People were ripping him, but really once they gained the zone they weren't bad. G is as good as it gets on the PP, especially gaining entries, so of course there'll be a drop off)

PP2: AMac-Streit-White-Raffl-Cousins....though later in the game Ghost double shifted both units, and Gagner was subbed for either Raffl or Cousins. They were a mess.

Now, once healthy, imagine a second unit like: Coots-Streit-Medvedev-Laughton-Raffl. Why Laughts gets no PP time is insane. Even Chief gave him time. He might have the best shot on the team. He'd be lethal on the left wall. I just don't get it.

- Mononoke

I do like Hakstol but some of his personal decisions seem a little off.

Laughton should get time on #2.

Medvedev should be playing and a big part of PP #2.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 24 @ 3:35 PM ET
https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/472b1n/hello_its_elliotte_friedman_of_sportsnet_ama_on/?sort=qa

EDIT: and the post I'm referring to: https://www.reddit.com/r/..._sportsnet_ama_on/d09kr2e

- BulliesPhan87

thanks!
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 24 @ 3:36 PM ET
You know what? I liked Bill Guerin. I didn't ever like Booby Holik.

That is all.

- jmatchett383

Me too. Although Guerin wasn't always a regular in our division over the course of his career.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 24 @ 3:36 PM ET
I sure do love the accounting side of following my favorite team, especially when the league doesn't seem to want me to know the basic details
- BulliesPhan87


Joe in accounting is a t account wizard.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 24 @ 3:38 PM ET
PP1: Ghost, Schenn, Couturier, Jake, Simmonds
PP2: some bumholes

EDIT: I really don't remember who was all out there for PP2

- funmaster18



I think Cousins, Read and White were 3 of them.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 24 @ 3:39 PM ET
Hey Marc D - kill the links in your quotes please.


Thanks
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 24 @ 3:41 PM ET
I am a diehard fan like a lot of us here but I have to admit the league has really been boring for me to watch and follow (games wise and otherwise) the past few years. Maybe it has been because the flyers have been so mediocre to bad but when I watch any game, for the most part they all seem to be much more boring than in the past. Like when is the last time we got so amped watching a game like when the flyers would play the penguins even back just 8 years ago.
- orangekrush2010

Well, part of that could be attributed to the need for more scoring/scoring chances versus the dropping frequency of fights (which I don't have a problem with in and of itself). A lot of games feel like literally nothing happens. The Flyers failure to compete probably colors our opinions too.

The salary cap makes it dull to follow on a week to week and month to month basis, though. It's hard to get excited about your team when the long game is waiting for poison contracts to expire or find new homes.

That said, I still love our team and our sport, just not enough to give up my other favorite past time: complaining.
Tomfan365
Joined: 03.11.2013

Feb 24 @ 3:41 PM ET
I have been all for getting rid of the cap for so long now. Yes the cap has created more parity but I don't believe its for the better. To me, the game has been diluted to a degree. I like the idea of allowing teams to build absolutely stacked rosters and have epic battles. To me, the stacked teams of the past was one of the reasons we had huge rivalries like Detroit and Colorado. Obviously, the quality of opponent is only one aspect but there were teams like them and the Rangers and Flyers and Penguins who were head and shoulders above the others in the league and when they would collide, it would be intense.

Obviously, the intensity/animosity has gone down and it can't logically all be explained bc of the increased parity, but I think it is one part of it. Because all teams are so equal, they all employ pretty much the same strategies and tactics and it hasn't really let teams to develop their own unique identities (AS much as in the past). Also, it is damn near impossible to keep all of your young talent as they develop, as is, because they will require new contracts you won't be able to afford. Yeah, Chicago has kept most of their core in tact but that is more the exception than the rule.

Maybe I'm not expressing it correctly, but I think the salary cap has led to a watered down product essentially.

- orangekrush2010


I get what you're saying and I would be all for loosening the rules, but I don't want this to be the NBA with 4 top teams and everyone else sucks. It really does suck that if Morin, Prov, Ghost, Sanheim, Konecy ect. all become studs, we won't be able to keep them all or have to make sacrifices at other positions. I think there could be a better way but I have no idea what it could be.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 24 @ 3:41 PM ET
I am a diehard fan like a lot of us here but I have to admit the league has really been boring for me to watch and follow (games wise and otherwise) the past few years. Maybe it has been because the flyers have been so mediocre to bad but when I watch any game, for the most part they all seem to be much more boring than in the past. Like when is the last time we got so amped watching a game like when the flyers would play the penguins even back just 8 years ago.
- orangekrush2010


Of course the games are going to be more exciting when you're a playoff team. These were good times:

11-12:


13-14
orangekrush2010
Location: Its fun to do bad things, MT
Joined: 05.17.2010

Feb 24 @ 3:42 PM ET
just got a notice from this past weekend that I was charged by Uber.."Your Uber driver reports that there was an incident that resulted in a mess in his car and required professional cleaning. We have charged your credit card on file 65$."

Don't remember any mess. Makes it sound like my buddy and I decided to un-pants ourselves and take a poo on his backseat.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Feb 24 @ 3:43 PM ET
After reading Eklund's latest rumor blog, I am beginning to doubt his credibility.
orangekrush2010
Location: Its fun to do bad things, MT
Joined: 05.17.2010

Feb 24 @ 3:44 PM ET
I get what you're saying and I would be all for loosening the rules, but I don't want this to be the NBA with 4 top teams and everyone else sucks. It really does suck that if Morin, Prov, Ghost, Sanheim, Konecy ect. all become studs, we won't be able to keep them all or have to make sacrifices at other positions. I think there could be a better way but I have no idea what it could be.
- Tomfan365


I mean when we didn't have a cap before the first lockout, it wasn't like the NBA. Calgary made it to the SC in 2004 and probably had no business being there. Hockey is too much a team-oriented sport where the star players can take over a game but not to the extent as in the NBA. I don't think we'd ever become a league like that. Never were and won't in the future.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 24 @ 3:47 PM ET
I get what you're saying and I would be all for loosening the rules, but I don't want this to be the NBA with 4 top teams and everyone else sucks. It really does suck that if Morin, Prov, Ghost, Sanheim, Konecy ect. all become studs, we won't be able to keep them all or have to make sacrifices at other positions. I think there could be a better way but I have no idea what it could be.
- Tomfan365

The NHL hasn't exactly featured a huge variety of top teams recently, either.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Feb 24 @ 3:48 PM ET
Per your last part, I'd like to do one of the following:

1) Any player that you drafted and who has never played for another NHL team can have his salary not count against the cap.

2) Any player(s) that you drafted and who have never played for another NHL team only count against your cap at 90% of their salary (i.e. $10M and 8 years counts as $9M for 8 years).

This keeps the cap in place, but rewards teams for not signing FA's to massive deals.

- jmatchett383



I wouldn't mind something like baseball has in the Rule 5 pick. NHL team can protect so many players. If you lost a player maybe you got a compensatory pick in the draft.


Would allow player movement and maybe see more prospects make it with change in scenery and coaching. I don't know.
orangekrush2010
Location: Its fun to do bad things, MT
Joined: 05.17.2010

Feb 24 @ 3:49 PM ET
maybe we also need more characters in the league. Games are like open-hockey these days with everyone seemingly being buddy buddy with each other.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Feb 24 @ 3:49 PM ET
Elliot follow us here, this is the evidence


Is a hotdog a sandwich?
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[–]Elliotte_Friedman[S] 427 points 2 days ago
This is the one I prepped most for.
A hot dog is a hot dog.
It is not a sandwich.


BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Feb 24 @ 3:49 PM ET
Lol

Even Elliot rips the Sixers

- PhillySportsGuy

smh didn't anybody explain The Process to him?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 24 @ 3:54 PM ET
Did it get stuck in Lisa Anne's vajay again???
- orangekrush2010


I dont think anything gets stuck in there anymore
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Feb 24 @ 3:55 PM ET
I dont think anything gets stuck in there anymore
- YuenglingJagr

PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 24 @ 3:55 PM ET
smh didn't anybody explain The Process to him?
- BulliesPhan87


It's complicated. Most will never understand
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 24 @ 3:56 PM ET
I get what you're saying and I would be all for loosening the rules, but I don't want this to be the NBA with 4 top teams and everyone else sucks. It really does suck that if Morin, Prov, Ghost, Sanheim, Konecy ect. all become studs, we won't be able to keep them all or have to make sacrifices at other positions. I think there could be a better way but I have no idea what it could be.
- Tomfan365


Yes, the salary cap did a great job of making sure that big spenders like Toronto, Philadelphia, NYR, Boston, LA, and Chicago no longer won ever Cup like they did in the 20 years preceding the lockout. Thank God for the salary cap so that small market teams like NJ, Colorado, TB, Anaheim, and Dallas had a chance.

Please. The whole salary cap for parity is complete bullpoop. It's all about the money for owners.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Feb 24 @ 3:56 PM ET
It's complicated. Most will never understand
- PhillySportsGuy


Howard Eskin understands. He explained it to me.
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