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so you have vatanen at roughly half the value of polak?
- DarcyTucker16

you basically just going to copy and paste all of your posts and all of the responses from here, back into the leafs thread?

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VAN has let other 29 teams know they are open for business on: Vey, Bartkowski, Kenins, Cracknell, Higgins, Prust and Weber.


- 1979AD

you basically just going to copy and paste all of your posts and all of the responses from here, back into the leafs thread?
- Codes1087

only the ridiculous ones

This ^
- DarcyTucker16

please enlighten me with Vatanen's worth? In your humble opinion if he is not worth more than a second?

Vatanen is worth way more than a 2nd Dragon..
- Codes1087

Imo he's worth more than McCann too

please enlighten me with Vatanen's worth? In your humble opinion if he is not worth more than a second?
- Codes1087

Im saying he is worth way more than a 2nd. My original post was saying polak got 2 2nds. (whether he's worth that is a whole different debate). and then laughing at the person that offered only 1 2nd roudner for vatanen who is by far a way superior player as well as younger.

Im saying he is worth way more than a 2nd. My original post was saying polak got 2 2nds. (whether he's worth that is a whole different debate). and then laughing at the person that offered only 1 2nd roudner for vatanen who is by far a way superior player as well as younger.
- DarcyTucker16

I see. When a leaf fan comes in here and rights "This ^" one has to assume it is made with a hint of sarcasm.

Vatanen is worth WAY more than just a second. Anaheim is not in the middle of a rebuild, so their desire for picks is not at all time high. I dont believe polak is worth 2, I just think that SJ got fleeced a bit and that 9 times out of 10, other GM's dont throw 2 picks for a player of Polak's calibre lol. I think Lou did a incredible job with that trade.

I see. When a leaf fan comes in here and rights "This ^" one has to assume it is made with a hint of sarcasm.

Vatanen is worth WAY more than just a second. Anaheim is not in the middle of a rebuild, so their desire for picks is not at all time high. I dont believe polak is worth 2, I just think that SJ got fleeced a bit and that 9 times out of 10, other GM's dont throw 2 picks for a player of Polak's calibre lol. I think Lou did a incredible job with that trade.
- Codes1087

Yeah were saying the exact same thing.
- woulda been really happy if polak got 1 2nd
- when we were talking vatanen in our thread my opinion was it would probably take JVR (what extras went either way is up for debate)

Vatanen is worth way more than a 2nd Dragon..
- Codes1087

Im not sure what his exact value is....at this time of year however it gets stupid.

I see. When a leaf fan comes in here and rights "This ^" one has to assume it is made with a hint of sarcasm.

Vatanen is worth WAY more than just a second. Anaheim is not in the middle of a rebuild, so their desire for picks is not at all time high. I dont believe polak is worth 2, I just think that SJ got fleeced a bit and that 9 times out of 10, other GM's dont throw 2 picks for a player of Polak's calibre lol. I think Lou did a incredible job with that trade.
- Codes1087

Doug Wilson knows his time as the Sharks GM is coming to an end so he's making a last ditch effort to get the silverware.

Im not sure what his exact value is....at this time of year however it gets stupid.
- SMBDragon

90 pts in 180 games played. come on man, that's not even inflated. he's 24, he would fetch a 1st.

Im not sure what his exact value is....at this time of year however it gets stupid.
- SMBDragon

I think regardless of what time of the year it is, he is a VERY valueable offensive/puck moving defenseman that 29 teams would covet if available. I think 5 years ago, his size would be a bit of a concern but with the emergence of players like Krug and Barrie, the size factor isn't as much of a problem. I think he teams will pay a TON for him if ever made publicly available.

Hammy - definitely search for best possible deal to places he is willing to go. Target future top 3 forwards or top 2 defense in terms of prospects and/or picks. Salary holdback if deal gets better.

Vrby - if anyone on his willing to go to list wants him, then gift him away. He is replaceable from within. Salary holdback if deal gets better.

Burrows - He is still a player I like on the team, but with his salary dollars, if a deal makes sense, and he is willing to move, take it and look for FA signing

Hansen - Should keep one of Hansen or Burrows. Would rather keep Hansen, but depends on what the action dictates

Vey - see Vrby - does he fit with team given Etem/Granlund adds?

Edler - Keep, he is core to the team - unless of course there is a 1/2 D prospect (or Stamkos) coming back.

Bartkowski - If they are not re-signing, they grab what you can - if you can. I don't see him as being the worst thing that can happen on this team. I like him as a 6/7. If it ever clicks his upside is much better than that.

Sbisa - I don't see him being moved

Prust/Higgins - take what you can. If both Burrows and Hansen are moved, then maybe keep Higgy

Rest of the NHLers should be kept unless needed to land top prospect/pick, but don't move Hutton/Horvat.

Prospects - be prepared to through any prospect in for upgraded picks/prospects. I would hate to see Boeser, McCann or Virtanen leaving though.

Stewart - future HOF power forward - Absolutely must hang onto this guy
- Lostinarink

Hey, I forgot the Crack. I will take any offer for him, as long on there is no holdback - got to save that for the other deals

I see. When a leaf fan comes in here and rights "This ^" one has to assume it is made with a hint of sarcasm.

Vatanen is worth WAY more than just a second. Anaheim is not in the middle of a rebuild, so their desire for picks is not at all time high. I dont believe polak is worth 2, I just think that SJ got fleeced a bit and that 9 times out of 10, other GM's dont throw 2 picks for a player of Polak's calibre lol. I think Lou did a incredible job with that trade.
- Codes1087

He's getting all our picks

90 pts in 180 games played. come on man, that's not even inflated. he's 24, he would fetch a 1st.
- neem55

Ive made NO argument as to worth.....I posted a ? after saying I wasnt sure if thats what would be enough.

He's getting all our picks
- neem55

Gotta give credit where credit is due. You get two 2nd round picks for Polak, you deserve a pat on the back.

He's getting all our picks
- neem55

don't worry those 2nds will be up for grabs at the draft when Dubas and Hunter decide to trade down for as many 3rd rounders as possible

Ive made NO argument as to worth.....I posted a ? after saying I wasnt sure if thats what would be enough.
- SMBDragon

I didn't realize the amount of people commenting on it, I just meant I think McCann for Vatenen is fair value given his stats/potential.

Totally.Today is a great day. We now know that ownership has given the thumbs up to Benning to go ahead with the tank. Hope Gaunce and Pedan get called up after these trades (IF trades start happening)
- Codes1087

go ahead with the tank?

I hope you are right but keep in mind not one of those are roster players.

don't worry those 2nds will be up for grabs at the draft when Dubas and Hunter decide to trade down for as many 3rd rounders as possible
- DarcyTucker16

Dubas and Hunter don't have POOP on Lou's decisions. Lou is going to do right by that organization and do a proper rebuild.

go ahead with the tank?

I hope you are right but keep in mind not one of those are roster players.
- Whiskey-Tango

After the shipping off our garbage for whatever we can get, they should be Roster Players :D

Dubas and Hunter don't have POOP on Lou's decisions. Lou is going to do right by that organization and do a proper rebuild.
- Codes1087

I hope so. Last year konecny was on the board and we decided to trade down 11 times so we could get a bunch of late 2nds and 3rds (apparently hunter can only find gems so this is a good thing)

I think regardless of what time of the year it is, he is a VERY valueable offensive/puck moving defenseman that 29 teams would covet if available. I think 5 years ago, his size would be a bit of a concern but with the emergence of players like Krug and Barrie, the size factor isn't as much of a problem. I think he teams will pay a TON for him if ever made publicly available.
- Codes1087

I wouldnt be mentioning him if I didnt think he would be good here.
Again, players who cant reach contract due to demands are worth less.

and the TON is what Im meaning by it gets crazy for payment at TDL. What players go for at this time ...it wont be even close to that come summer.

Im making no claim to his value, more wondering what it would be. What should his value be?

I wouldnt be mentioning him if I didnt think he would be good here.
Again, players who cant reach contract due to demands are worth less.

and the TON is what Im meaning by it gets crazy for payment at TDL. What players go for at this time ...it wont be even close to that come summer.

Im making no claim to his value, more wondering what it would be. What should his value be?
- SMBDragon

he's an RFA, so I think it is almost the same. Given the fact teams like Philly,Edm, Col will be looking to upgrade I think it will be a very competitive market for d in the offseason.

I didn't realize the amount of people commenting on it, I just meant I think McCann for Vatenen is fair value given his stats/potential.
- neem55

Thought vatanen was 27. If hes 24 my mistake. I dont go and look stuff up. Im working doing odds and ends.

Mcann is too valuable if you ask me. It'd have to be something more substantial in my books. But its open to interpretation