Meh.. They are just hockey players . Swap any one of them out and you can say the same thing.

IMO, Luck Chemistry skill in that order wins
- cabin

I don't disagree at all but the trend seems to include some combo of big/hardworking and or 2 way. Skinner is none of those. I can only assume the injury he suffered may scare some GM's off as well.

Couldnt stand him.


- Pairo11

The most sickening part was he came in and pretended he changed and was nothing but a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Agreed. The only trends we see in Murray is he likes to draft defenceman from the WHL hates Russians and likes guys in need of a fresh start. Skinner could fit that last mold.
- bluengold12

Seems he has a plan . will it work ? Don't know . One player,, one play, one deflection can throw his plan in the ringer.

Lehners job is his too lose. Seems as capable as any other tender out there. Team in front of him needs to score more goals than he lets in. getting shut out 1-0 isn't his fault (to an extant)
- cabin

I missed last nights game but since he's been back he's had one, maybe two games he didn't look focused in. But yeah. They add a quality top 4 and learn to play team D and they'll look solid.

I don't disagree at all but the trend seems to include some combo of big/hardworking and or 2 way. Skinner is none of those. I can only assume the injury he suffered may scare some GM's off as well.
- Sabresfan-365

Agreed . We would want something similar if any of us were GM.

Me ? Skill, smarts, size, stamina,

I sound like a girl making her wants on match . com

Sucks Sabres are out west so close to the deadline. Would be nice for Murray to sit some of the tradeable guys in anticipation for them getting traded.

The most sickening part was he came in and pretended he changed and was nothing but a wolf in sheep's clothing.
- sippyd

Growing up, he was what we called a dik.

But anyway.. Moving on.

I missed last nights game but since he's been back he's had one, maybe two games he didn't look focused in. But yeah. They add a quality top 4 and learn to play team D and they'll look solid.
- Pairo11

Yeah it sucked losing that game . Makes the forwards look vulnerable like they are.

Goals win. Can't win a game if you can't score.

Agreed . We would want something similar if any of us were GM.

Me ? Skill, smarts, size, stamina,

I sound like a girl making her wants on match . com
- cabin

Tbh i don't think the top 6 winger issue is as big as some are making it. Eichel's mainly seen some combo of Girgs/McGinn/Foligno/Gionta for most of the year (kane who he didn't mesh well with which was no surprise).

They don't need to break the bank, they just need to find someone who is actually a top 6 forward even on the low end. Go big on a D-man.

Yeah it sucked losing that game . Makes the forwards look vulnerable like they are.

Goals win. Can't win a game if you can't score.
- cabin

Need a few more skilled wingers. Too many 3rd line grinders on this team. What sucks is the ones I'd like to get rid of probably can't. IMO

Foligno, Larsson, Gionta, Girgensons all fill the same role. Moulson is just a waste of roster space.

Only need two of those 4 on this team. Murray needs to get rid of some and focus on more offensive offenceman and defensive defenceman.

Girgensons and a 3rd for Skinner
- bluengold12

Noooooooooooo

Need a few more skilled wingers. Too many 3rd line grinders on this team. What sucks is the ones I'd like to get rid of probably can't. IMO

Foligno, Larsson, Gionta, Girgensons all fill the same role. Moulson is just a waste of roster space.

Only need two of those 4 on this team. Murray needs to get rid of some and focus on more offensive offenceman and defensive defenceman.
- bluengold12

We need the Lydman and Tallinders (In his prime) on this team. agile but safe defenceman who clear the puck without icing it and don't turn the puck over thirty times in their own zone. They don't need to be all stars just enough smarts and skill to get the job done.

Noooooooooooo
- Slump Buster

You're right Carolina would never go for it.

We need the Lydman and Tallinders (In his prime) on this team. agile but safe defenceman who clear the puck without icing it and don't turn the puck over thirty times in their own zone. They don't need to be all stars just enough smarts and skill to get the job done.
- bluengold12

Did we win anything with them in their prime? Need someone better than that. That role can be filled by the 2nd pairing guys we already have.

‏@CraigCustance
Just medium interest in McGinn this afternoon. Maybe that changes with Ladd off the market, we'll see.

‏@CraigCustance
Just medium interest in McGinn this afternoon. Maybe that changes with Ladd off the market, we'll see.
- Sabresfan-365

Well that would suck. I'll be honest I'd rather keep him here if we don't get anything less than a 2nd or a B level prospect.

Did we win anything with them in their prime? Need someone better than that. That role can be filled by the 2nd pairing guys we already have.
- Sabresfan-365

We would've won a cup with them if they were healthy for eastern finals.

Well that would suck. I'll be honest I'd rather keep him here if we don't get anything less than a 2nd or a B level prospect.
- bluengold12

Most of his production has come from playing with Eichel, which he'd never do on the third line of a contending team, and with regular powerplay time which again he'd never see on a contending team. He doesn't really offer anything beyond that (no PK or two way game). Id wait till the last minute and ship him to whichever team bids the highest.

We would've won a cup with them if they were healthy for eastern finals.
- bluengold12

Well yea cuz we lost most of our depth on the back end. But they probably never get anywhere close if those two are the best defenders on the team.

Most of his production has come from playing with Eichel, which he'd never do on the third line of a contending team, and with regular powerplay time which again he'd never see on a contending team. He doesn't really offer anything beyond that (no PK or two way game). Id wait till the last minute and ship him to whichever team bids the highest.
- Sabresfan-365

If we get the same or worse return than we did with Stewart I'll be pissed. To be frank I'll be pissed if we don't come out of this deadline with at least a 2nd round pick or B level prospect. I don't care who we have to trade to get it as long as it's not Reinhart, Eichel, O'Riley, Kane, Risto or the top 3 prospects.

Well yea cuz we lost most of our depth on the back end. But they probably never get anywhere close if those two are the best defenders on the team.
- Sabresfan-365

Lydman was arguably the second or third best defender on that team

Campbell
McKee
Lydman
Numinenn
Tallinder
Kalinen

Players brought in through trade:

Kane
Bogo
O'Reilly
Fasching
Deslaruiers

Bit of a trend there.


Edit: Even Lehner
- Sabresfan-365

Only one has true speed. Besides Kane, Jack and the injury-plagued Ennis, we are a slow team. I gotta think/hope GMTM recognizes that and fixes it going forward.

Well that would suck. I'll be honest I'd rather keep him here if we don't get anything less than a 2nd or a B level prospect.
- bluengold12

Same thoughts.

Only one has true speed. Besides Kane, Jack and the injury-plagued Ennis, we are a slow team. I gotta think/hope GMTM recognizes that and fixes it going forward.
- LandlordTom

Kind of difficult when Murray stuck us with slow as hell guys for multiple years. Gionta, Moulson, Franson slow and terrible.

Reinhart, O'Riley slow and good.

Larsson, Foligno hard working average skaters but nothing too special. None of them are coming off the books unless Murray can work a trade for them.

Kind of difficult when Murray stuck us with slow as hell guys for multiple years. Gionta, Moulson, Franson slow and terrible.

Reinhart, O'Riley slow and good.

Larsson, Foligno hard working average skaters but nothing too special. None of them are coming off the books unless Murray can work a trade for them.
- bluengold12

Hope things change and we won't see those glaring negatives. Good players can make bad ones look good.