Ferraro is right. I am upset about the lack of inability to do anything but I am not pissed.in general.

I do have many questions about the Canucks . This is the second year in a row that we got absolutely nothing for expiring contracts.

This ownership and management still think we are playoff contenders and after two years still have not identified if we are retooling or rebuilding.

We lost our second player today on waivers . This one was inexcusable .There was no need to lose a player if no movement was going to be made. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Ferraro is a Canuck fan and he is bang on about not moving old guys and bringing them back.

We are the bottom 5 D in the league and all I hear is bring back one of the main pieces , an old guy who isn't tough and cant score.

We make the beds we sleep in.
- VANTEL

one of our few battlers too, well said. Though i'm one of the advocates for resigning hamhuis, as there arent many alternatives.

Ferraro is right. I am upset about the lack of inability to do anything but I am not pissed.in general.

I do have many questions about the Canucks . This is the second year in a row that we got absolutely nothing for expiring contracts.

This ownership and management still think we are playoff contenders and after two years still have not identified if we are retooling or rebuilding.

We lost our second player today on waivers . This one was inexcusable .There was no need to lose a player if no movement was going to be made. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Ferraro is a Canuck fan and he is bang on about not moving old guys and bringing them back.

We are the bottom 5 D in the league and all I hear is bring back one of the main pieces , an old guy who isn't tough and cant score.

We make the beds we sleep in.
- VANTEL

He's not the reason we are bottom 5. He's one of the ones that can actually defend, which is the primary role of a defenseman.

CHICAGO
BLACKHAWKS
D Tim Jackman
2017 7th Round Pick
ANAHEIM
DUCKS
F Corey Tropp

yes they were.
- Retinalz

For Canucks?

Honestly useless ;.; maybe Trev starts to take control on trades? Common with those President of hockey ops guys, is it just JB doing the trades?
- Crazybagoham

I see you're late to the hysteria conversation, we had those back in the 30's 40's pages.

CHICAGO
BLACKHAWKS
D Tim Jackman
2017 7th Round Pick
ANAHEIM
DUCKS
F Corey Tropp

yes they were.
- Retinalz

Benning even admitted to getting a final offer from Dallas even after the Russel deal and turned it down.

I think its same to assume it was better then a 7th.

so you be a proper GM, and you make them offer it.
- Crazybagoham

The cost of paying Vrbata for his production and salary to most owners and teams likely wasnt going to be worth even a 7th. He is going to have marginal impact on a team's playoff hunt and postseason games, so why would anyone that operates a budget willingly bring in that cost without sending some money back? JB has so much wasted money right now and we know how cheap FA is, so the deal dies right there

Are you claiming, with your buddy Fry, that Russel is really a better D-man than Hamhuis?
- Codes1087

Nah I just love when people use cool graphs to argue who is better ...

Benning even admitted to getting a final offer from Dallas even after the Russel deal and turned it down.

I think its same to assume it was better then a 7th.
- Whiskey-Tango

No it wasnt!

NO ONE WOULD OFFER A 7TH!!!

They called every team on Vrbata's list and got no offers, no offers = no interest.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Yeah, but what I'm trying to say is a skilled GM can trade any player, and most canucks fans would have been happy with any sort of return on Vrbata. I hate Vrbata as much as anyone, I think he's a floater, but there are some skills to sell, hard to believe that he couldnt even get rights to a poopty pending RFA or something, let alone a low draft pick. 2.5m isnt that much

He's not the reason we are bottom 5. He's one of the ones that can actually defend, which is the primary role of a defenseman.
- golfingsince

Which is the primary reason we should have shipped him out.

Imagine the D without both Edler and Hamhuis
Would have had a realistic opportunity at Mathews

Yeah, but what I'm trying to say is a skilled GM can trade any player, and most canucks fans would have been happy with any sort of return on Vrbata. I hate Vrbata as much as anyone, I think he's a floater, but there are some skills to sell, hard to believe that you could even get rights to someone, let alone a low draft pick. 2.5m isnt that much
- Crazybagoham

It takes two to trade.

The cost of paying Vrbata for his production and salary to most owners and teams likely wasnt going to be worth even a 7th. He is going to have marginal impact on a team's playoff hunt and postseason games, so why would anyone that operates a budget willingly bring in that cost without sending some money back? JB has so much wasted money right now and we know how cheap FA is, so the deal dies right there
- WhiteLie

I thought Nashville might have been an alright spot for Vrbata probably not on the list though. Just waive him cus there isnt a point in coughing up anymore money for his poor play.

It takes two to trade.
- A_SteamingLombardi

yeah I suppose :/ oh well, at least he'll be gone in a few months haha.

Ferraro is right. I am upset about the lack of inability to do anything but I am not pissed.in general.

I do have many questions about the Canucks . This is the second year in a row that we got absolutely nothing for expiring contracts.

This ownership and management still think we are playoff contenders and after two years still have not identified if we are retooling or rebuilding.

We lost our second player today on waivers . This one was inexcusable .There was no need to lose a player if no movement was going to be made. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Ferraro is a Canuck fan and he is bang on about not moving old guys and bringing them back.

We are the bottom 5 D in the league and all I hear is bring back one of the main pieces , an old guy who isn't tough and cant score.

We make the beds we sleep in.
- VANTEL

I understand people are disappointed. Hell, I certainly am. I was saying for the last 2 months that everyone is overvaluing our assets like we always do in van. Nobody wanted Vrbata and it sounds like we weren't getting offers for Hamhuis either. If Dallas offered a 4th round pick at the end of the deadline I'm glad we didn't make the move. (frank) Dallas, it's not Bennings job to help them at the deadline. I'd rather resign Hamhuis for two years BUT NTC

Which is the primary reason we should have shipped him out.

Imagine the D without both Edler and Hamhuis
Would have had a realistic opportunity at Mathews
- Whiskey-Tango

U referring to the TO 82 game epic tank strategy?
We r not in that position n not an option.

They called every team on Vrbata's list and got no offers, no offers = no interest.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I am not surprised our core players are sh!t.

How many teams said they they went in a different direction than Hamhuis? Something Canucks should also do.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the fan base in Vancouver isn't capable of handling the ups and downs of the franchise. I said yesterday that I didn't think JB was going to be able to move Vrbata or Hamhuis and that he was likely getting low balled. What would be the point of moving either of them for low picks? Think people, if JB was willing to dump prime assets for trash, when some people on this board (the anti-Benningites) already think he loses every trade, how much worse does that make him? Yes it's disappointing, but ultimately, pointless. We didn't take on salary, we didn't dump any prospects, and we kept all our picks. There's a good chance that even though we didn't do any deadline deals of significance, JB will do most of it at the draft. He might even be able to trade negotiating rights for something for Hamhuis and Vrbata. The point is, half of you sound like children crying because mommy and daddy didn't get you ice-cream, or wouldn't let you play XBOX instead of doing homework.

Nah I just love when people use cool graphs to argue who is better ...
- Redmile247

No other way to argue in a hockey forum with the fans of the opposing players. I don't buy into fancy stats but if fry is going to say something stupid, he needs to know it will be met with an argument

Ferraro is right. I am upset about the lack of inability to do anything but I am not pissed.in general.

I do have many questions about the Canucks . This is the second year in a row that we got absolutely nothing for expiring contracts.

This ownership and management still think we are playoff contenders and after two years still have not identified if we are retooling or rebuilding.

We lost our second player today on waivers . This one was inexcusable .There was no need to lose a player if no movement was going to be made. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Ferraro is a Canuck fan and he is bang on about not moving old guys and bringing them back.

We are the bottom 5 D in the league and all I hear is bring back one of the main pieces , an old guy who isn't tough and cant score.

We make the beds we sleep in.
- VANTEL

Teams lose players to waivers all the time. It isnt a big deal. Guys even clear waivers and still get moved. Its a positioning tool and Vancouver has needed to clear roster space for a while.

Second, I dont understand your comments over toughness. Hamhuis took a slapshot to the face, skated off on his own and still came back in like 6 weeks. He doesnt shy away from the corners, he plays phsyical (a lot less "boom" or "wow" factor, but hes in it), generally plays well positionally. Yes hes a defensive defensemen but he can still make a good first pass which is important to have. I dont see anything wrong with keeping Hamhuis around at a moderate price. Hell I would move Tanev before Hamhuis, he is identical with a weaker shot

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the fan base in Vancouver isn't capable of handling the ups and downs of the franchise. I said yesterday that I didn't think JB was going to be able to move Vrbata or Hamhuis and that he was likely getting low balled. What would be the point of moving either of them for low picks? Think people, if JB was willing to dump prime assets for trash, when some people on this board (the anti-Benningites) already think he loses every trade, how much worse does that make him? Yes it's disappointing, but ultimately, pointless. We didn't take on salary, we didn't dump any prospects, and we kept all our picks. There's a good chance that even though we didn't do any deadline deals of significance, JB will do most of it at the draft. He might even be able to trade negotiating rights for something for Hamhuis and Vrbata. The point is, half of you sound like children crying because mommy and daddy didn't get you ice-cream, or wouldn't let you play XBOX instead of doing homework.

- DariusKnight

Some of the worst fans in the league hands down

Why lie?

Also read between the lines thats retaining salary on an expiring contract.
Night n day if had to eat salary coming back eg Bickell:
- Nighthawk

Who's going to to refute him????

You think some GM from a playoff bound team is going to come out of the wood-work and be like LIAR.

Which is the primary reason we should have shipped him out.

Imagine the D without both Edler and Hamhuis
Would have had a realistic opportunity at Mathews
- Whiskey-Tango

I'm starting to think Benning decided that this deadline was where he was going to take a stand on his trade reputation. Either get full value or take nothing at all.

Way to go Jim!!

You sure showed everyone.

I understand people are disappointed. Hell, I certainly am. I was saying for the last 2 months that everyone is overvaluing our assets like we always do in van. Nobody wanted Vrbata and it sounds like we weren't getting offers for Hamhuis either. If Dallas offered a 4th round pick at the end of the deadline I'm glad we didn't make the move. (frank) Dallas, it's not Bennings job to help them at the deadline. I'd rather resign Hamhuis for two years BUT NTC
- CanuckDon

The sad fact is that we could still have done that....

A re-signed Hamhuis or a re-signed Hamhuis + a 4th.

Not a hard decision to make.

I am not surprised our core players are sh!t.

How many teams said they they went in a different direction than Hamhuis? Something Canucks should also do.
- VANTEL

but what better FA defencemen will be available other than hamhuis? pretty lackluster group going into FA this year

It takes two to trade.
- A_SteamingLombardi

No just needs a snake oil sales pitch apparently any GM can do...