This was posted at 01:37 this morning by boonerbuck;
I just read 3 of the province stories. Not surprisingly, there is a tiny mention of JB side of the story and then paragraph after paragraph quoting a unnamed source close to Dallas, being reported by a unnamed media member that they dont even credit.... it it goes on and on... and like a wave it rips through the media and fans think that represents more smoke than a single unnamed source.... even though it's still just a single unnamed source.

And unless these unnamed sources are willing to stand in front of a camera, or put their stories and names in print, so that they can be analyzed like JB did, it's pure speculation and BS, either put up or shut up
- Makita

this is no different from any other issue in the world.

people have already made up their minds. now they will find "sources" who will support their point of view. either you believe benning or you don't.

but providing "proof," (even if you are quoting benning) is a fallacy.

facts all come with points of view. facts don't do what i want them to. --- david byrne.

No worries Don, I wasn't pointing out your post, I was just trying to infer that believing unnamed sources as verbatim is...well kind of (frank)ed up.
- Makita

But if it backs up your mind set you go with it.

this is no different from any other issue in the world.

people have already made up their minds. now they will find "sources" who will support their point of view. either you believe benning or you don't.

but providing "proof," (even if you are quoting benning) is a fallacy.

facts all come with points of view. facts don't do what i want them to. --- david byrne.
- RealityChecker

From the outside looking in its puzzling...I get the not trading as there was very little market as evidenced by so little movement..
What i find strange is in interviews Hamhuis kept saying over and over "I want to stay here""Want to play here again next year".Has he been promised a contract for next season no matter what?
Given his stance on remaining a Nuck wouldn't one think that it scared away the little market there was in maybe teams felt he wouldn't give 100% if he really didn't want to leave..

Given recent success do the Nucks really want to continue locking up this core?
- Fruitcakenipple

My take on that is that he wanted the fan base to know that this wasn't a Kesler situation where he wanted out of town and gave a list of only 2 teams. He is content playing here and didn't ask for a trade.

I wouldn't mind if Hamhuis isn't brought back, disappointing the club wasn't able to turn him into some picks or prospects through a trade.

If he is given another contract here, JB should move Edler, Sbisa or both.

I was listening to 1040 this morning, bad mistake, and there was a caller that pointed out that a win-win a week ago would have been trading Hamhuis and re-signing him in the summer, why wouldn't it be a win if he stayed and resigned? the bs answer from Pratt was it was no longer a win because there was an offer on the table that the Canucks didn't jump at... so if he re-signed here, it was no longer a win.

This is a messed up market.
- hillbillydeluxe

Well your first mistake is listening to Pratt.

this is no different from any other issue in the world.

people have already made up their minds. now they will find "sources" who will support their point of view. either you believe benning or you don't.

but providing "proof," (even if you are quoting benning) is a fallacy.

facts all come with points of view. facts don't do what i want them to. --- david byrne.
- RealityChecker

Very true Reality, very true...but it gives the person that is absorbing the information so much more to analyze and investigate. JB said his piece, so if false the unnamed source should also say their piece, but not unnamed. Bring some validity so we can verify truth or fallacy. I want analyze on a level playing field, not some unnamed source said, so it must be true.
And I absolutely hate that it's done in all aspects of society,

Very true Reality, very true...but it gives the person that is absorbing the information so much more to analyze and investigate. JB said his piece, so if false the unnamed source should also say their piece, but not unnamed. Bring some validity so we can verify truth or fallacy. I want analyze on a level playing field, not some unnamed source said, so it must be true.
And I absolutely hate that it's done in all aspects of society,
- Makita

In my time I've heard some pretty amazing info from janitors, janitors run the world.

as if, I havent been able to afford a game in years. WD has shown that he likes Vets, and doesnt trust kids.... I'm hoping his attitude changes now that we arent remotely a playoff team... working with kids is why we got him. Horvats -30 worries me, all our young centers are just awful in the FO dot. WD needs to get them going for sure! they've made some strides, but not like some other rookies in the league. Next year is crunch time for both JB and WD, once these NMCs are off the team
- Crazybagoham

You make no f'ing sense. Horvat's -30 must mean something about WD's "trust". He's on the ice against some pretty good competition night in and out. There are now 7 forwards that play regular minutes who are under 25. And WD wasn't brought here because of his love for "playing the kids", it was because of his love for winning, at every level he's coached at so far (except the NHL obviously). Have a look at the top 100 players for FO results. There are very few players under 25. Which rookies, McDavid? There are only two rookie defensemen in the league who have outscored Hutton so far. McCann was the 24th pick and is playing in the NHL at 19. He's 21st in rookie scoring in fewer games then most of the players on that list. There's plenty to female dog about, just not this...

this is no different from any other issue in the world.

people have already made up their minds. now they will find "sources" who will support their point of view. either you believe benning or you don't.

but providing "proof," (even if you are quoting benning) is a fallacy.

facts all come with points of view. facts don't do what i want them to. --- david byrne.
- RealityChecker

I once worked as a reporter covering politics. One time I had an idea that something may be going on. I called a source. He said he hadn't heard. I called another and he said he hadn't heard. I called a third and he said it could be a possibility. A few hours later, a few people I talked to said, they were hearing the same thing. I doubled back to my first calls and they said they were now hearing the same thing. Wow, I had a story and sources. My editor stopped me. Echo chamber.

Well your first mistake is listening to Pratt.
- docmorgan

I turn on the clock radio in the morning, those guys are on, and then I fall back to sleep.

What was funny was the poll question, would you renew season tickets after this tdl, I only heard a couple callers that said they presently had season tickets and they said they would renew, because they were still fans and one bad day wasn't going to change that... that took the wind out of Pratt's sails for a moment before he got back to beating on the doom and gloom drum.

Bob McKenzie was the voice of reason, as usual, today.

These things are not mutually exclusive. Vrbata will not be back next season, agree? Hamhuis "wants" to be backk, but Benning has given no indication that he plans to sign him. Prust will not be back, maybe not even in the NHL next season. I'm not sure if the bridge is burnt with Higgins or not. Maybe he trains hard and wins a spot back, probably not. I think we all agree that this team won't be contending for a Stanley Cup next season either, so suffering through one more year of Burrows won't be that big a deal. I'm not even disappointed that Hansen didn't get moved at his peak. Based on the deals that went down, I think the very best they might have done is a single second round pick, which will turn into a productive NHL'er less then 50% of the time. Like Burrows, Hansen has one more year, and if he has a decent season there is always the option of moving him next deadline.

What I'm saying is you are still going to get your cap space, which I hope they don't use next year on anything more then 1 year deals.
- 1970vintage

They couldn't move Dan Hamhuis at the deadline ....what gives you any confidence I. Their ability to get anything for Hansen next deadline?

No worries Don, I wasn't pointing out your post, I was just trying to infer that believing unnamed sources as verbatim is...well kind of (frank)ed up.
- Makita

Well that's what Van fans do sadly. Easier to assume Benning is a liar and believe an unnamed source. Not quite sure what he has done to be labeled dishonest

Very true Reality, very true...but it gives the person that is absorbing the information so much more to analyze and investigate. JB said his piece, so if false the unnamed source should also say their piece, but not unnamed. Bring some validity so we can verify truth or fallacy. I want analyze on a level playing field, not some unnamed source said, so it must be true.
And I absolutely hate that it's done in all aspects of society,
- Makita

I think if this was just Botchford saying this, you would have a point calling BS.

But when you have some of the big names in the media, Bob Mackenzie, Friedman, Labrun among others, who are very well respected for their integrity, coming out and saying some of these things it makes it more legit.

Mackenzie was on the radio this morning and had an interesting breakdown of what his understanding of the situation was and it sounds like the most plausible to me so far that I have heard.

To paraphrase

Dallas offered a similar deal for Hamhuis that was offered for Russell but that it wasn't as good because Russell is the player they preferred.

Van countered that offer which was rejected by Dal and they decided to go with Russell.

Dal came back later and offered a lesser deal near the deadline which seemed to be agreed upon, Van ownership balked at the lower price and asked mgmt to try and get more. They ran out of time at that point.

At the same time Van also was in discussion with Chi regarding a deal involving Bickell and Higgins among other but it was too complicated trying to get the cap to work and they ran out of time.

Much of this jives with what Benning said but also supports what this "source" that you doubt also said.

I have heard rumors that Benning and Linden are on hockeybuzz and have secret twitter handles. I have also heard that if we complain and whine and cry enough with different proposals and speculation statements, eventually they will listen and pull the trigger. keyboard GM's are the be-all end-all of any good hockey transaction

(frank) man I was crushed to be left out...but you've made up for
- Makita

Well, you do get a little hysterical from time to time, son.

Well, you do get a little hysterical from time to time, son.
- Marwood

Well, you do get a little hysterical from time to time, son.
- Marwood

IMO the Canucks management really poop the bed on this one. First off, leaving till before TDL to realize that you are sellers is insane. Player's of Hammer value take longer then a day or 2 to get FMV.
Then Bennnig issues the league wide memo of fire sale but pigeonholes himself to focus on just Hammer trade.
I don't blame him wanting to be fully vested in the Hammer trade negotiations since it was going to give him the best value. What I don't agree with is why someone was not assigned to the file sale list, a telephone book and the strict direction "call every GM and offer all players here for picks. Even if you get a 7th make the deal. You only need my blessing if there is a prospect involved. When you look at the depth guys get traded for pick and compare to ours we could have unloaded atleast 4 of them. This to me screams inexperience.
On a larger trade there is a given there will be back and forth negotiations. It requires full attention. And I don't blame Benning for not taking scraps.
This was the first tdl with JB as a seller. Lets hope he learnt something and next year he is better prepared.

Count me in.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I once worked as a reporter covering politics. One time I had an idea that something may be going on. I called a source. He said he hadn't heard. I called another and he said he hadn't heard. I called a third and he said it could be a possibility. A few hours later, a few people I talked to said, they were hearing the same thing. I doubled back to my first calls and they said they were now hearing the same thing. Wow, I had a story and sources. My editor stopped me. Echo chamber.
- bazz

old media bro with that journalistic integrity.

In my time I've heard some pretty amazing info from janitors, janitors run the world.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Thanks for bringing me back

I think if this was just Botchford saying this, you would have a point calling BS.

But when you have some of the big names in the media, Bob Mackenzie, Friedman, Labrun among others, who are very well respected for their integrity, coming out and saying some of these things it makes it more legit.

Mackenzie was on the radio this morning and had an interesting breakdown of what his understanding of the situation was and it sounds like the most plausible to me so far that I have heard.

To paraphrase

Dallas offered a similar deal for Hamhuis that was offered for Russell but that it wasn't as good because Russell is the player they preferred.

Van countered that offer which was rejected by Dal and they decided to go with Russell.

Dal came back later and offered a lesser deal near the deadline which seemed to be agreed upon, Van ownership balked at the lower price and asked mgmt to try and get more. They ran out of time at that point.

At the same time Van also was in discussion with Chi regarding a deal involving Bickell and Higgins among other but it was too complicated trying to get the cap to work and they ran out of time.

Much of this jives with what Benning said but also supports what this "source" that you doubt also said.
- belcherbd

The "source" is still hidden from the public and will never come out, so Benning takes the blame.

I have heard rumors that Benning and Linden are on hockeybuzz and have secret twitter handles. I have also heard that if we complain and whine and cry enough with different proposals and speculation statements, eventually they will listen and pull the trigger. keyboard GM's are the be-all end-all of any good hockey transaction
- Codes1087

Well how much time do they need. This forum has been proposing deadline day deals since we were bounced from the playoffs last season.

Well how much time do they need. This forum has been proposing deadline day deals since we were bounced from the playoffs last season.
- Bullfrog77

Stop making excuses Benning.

No what's unacceptable is trading Hammer for a 5th. You can get more for his rights before the draft. For (frank)sakes people. If our GM allows himself to be bent over for a late pick do you think that might hurt his credibility down the road? (frank)
it's not Bennings job to help a rival. (frank) Dallas and their low ball offer
- CanuckDon

Agreed Don. Agreed. I think there's only two or so of us who feel this way...