More painful than the currently worst D in the NHL. Changes have to be made. Painful decisions have to be made. We are not even mediocre we are plain and simple the worst D core in the league imo. Cut the umbilical cord already.
- thundachunk

Yep. Get the young D. Pay the price.

#EmbracetheTank

Enlighten please
- thundachunk

You start by replacing the worst 2 guys, then go after 3rd worst and so on. Pretty much the entire league needs D help, so there isn't an abundance of talent to be had.

Don't be a smat ass.


Have you notice that the D you are hoping to bring back currently sits in 24 th place. You cant just wake up everymorning and say everything is ok with Canucks
- VANTEL

Change for the sake of change is pointless. Planning on drafting 2 top 2 defensemen is a pipe dream and not much of a plan.
I think that your advacating a leaf style rebuild
What is wrong with moving out Sbisa and Biega+ in order to bring in Hamonic?
This moves Tanev down the lineup.

This lineup that I purpose would be tougher and higher scoring then what we have. Show me something feasible that's better then. .

Edler Hamonic
Hutton Tanev
Hamhuis Larson
Peden
Tyk

I'd try fixing what's really wrong with it before I went after the solid guys.
- golfingsince

What I see is really wrong is lack of offense from the back end and lack of toughness . Hamhuis addresses neither problem

Vantel, the Florida route took 20 years.

That means most of us won't be able to stay up late enough to watch hockey anymore when they're competitive again.
- golfingsince

Yes but we have pieces in place where it shouldn't take that long (hopefully) I'm thinking 3-5 years. Markstrom isn't going to be the 'guy' either it will be Demko and we will have to be patient with his development.

The D overhaul will take time and the whole culture/attitude needs to change back there. Hate to say it but Edler Hamhuis and even Tanev all need to go. Bart and Spizza are what they are. Mentorship for Hutton would be nice and it won't come from Edler/Hamhuis. Will be tough to replace Edler/Tanev minutes but it can be done. It's not really their play per se it's their attitude and lack of toughness and this includes Hamhuis. Thing is they are allowed to not be accountable...ever. Hamhuis Tanev and Edler know they are the top 3 core on D for this team right now so they get free reign. That needs to change. Until we change that particular attitude from those old country club boys we are stuck where we are.

Markstrom and Miller don't look to be meshing with Melansons coaching too. We will need a goalie coach change before Demko gets here as well.

You start by replacing the worst 2 guys, then go after 3rd worst and so on. Pretty much the entire league needs D help, so there isn't an abundance of talent to be had.
- golfingsince

So you cut the two worst guys and that frees up 3.25 mil to find two replacements who will get 10 min a night of ice time , no PP time . Not sure how I see how that helps , This is how we have been doing it for years already

Change for the sake of change is pointless. Planning on drafting 2 top 2 defensemen is a pipe dream and not much of a plan.
I think that your advacating a leaf style rebuild
What is wrong with moving out Sbisa and Biega+ in order to bring in Hamonic?
This moves Tanev down the lineup.

This lineup that I purpose would be tougher and higher scoring then what we have. Show me something feasible that's better then. .

Edler Hamonic
Hutton Tanev
Hamhuis Larson
Peden
Tyk
- Pres.cup

Bringing back a losing formula is also pointless. 3 playoff wins 5 years. Lowest scoring D. Softest D.

Sorry I will try anything else

Yes but we have pieces in place where it shouldn't take that long (hopefully) I'm thinking 3-5 years. Markstrom isn't going to be the 'guy' either it will be Demko and we will have to be patient with his development.

The D overhaul will take time and the whole culture/attitude needs to change back there. Hate to say it but Edler Hamhuis and even Tanev all need to go. Bart and Spizza are what they are. Mentorship for Hutton would be nice and it won't come from Edler/Hamhuis. Will be tough to replace Edler/Tanev minutes but it can be done. It's not really their play per se it's their attitude and lack of toughness and this includes Hamhuis. Thing is they are allowed to not be accountable...ever. Hamhuis Tanev and Edler know they are the top 3 core on D for this team right now so they get free reign. That needs to change. Until we change that particular attitude from those old country club boys we are stuck where we are.

Markstrom and Miller don't look to be meshing with Melansons coaching too. We will need a goalie coach change before Demko gets here as well.
- LordHumungous

Its a 7 year build

What I see is really wrong is lack of offense from the back end and lack of toughness . Hamhuis addresses neither problem
- VANTEL

Changing out even 2 of 7 dmen would be huge, as long as they are a good fit. You can already see that Benning's hoping Larsson steps in for Weber. Replacing Bartkowski should be a top priority.

If they're able to land an impact dman then losing Hamhuis is no big deal, but if you're going to just throw in a project with limited upside then it could get a whole lot uglier back there.

Off to work Gents. See you later

Changing out even 2 of 7 dmen would be huge, as long as they are a good fit. You can already see that Benning's hoping Larsson steps in for Weber. Replacing Bartkowski should be a top priority.

If they're able to land an impact dman then losing Hamhuis is no big deal, but if you're going to just throw in a project with limited upside then it could get a whole lot uglier back there.
- golfingsince

Hamhuis gets you a bubble pick
Pedan gets you a top 5 pick and would be more fun to watch.

See you tonight

So you cut the two worst guys and that frees up 3.25 mil to find two replacements who will get 10 min a night of ice time , no PP time . Not sure how I see how that helps , This is how we have been doing it for years already
- VANTEL

There's also Prust and Vrbata's salaries to throw around, IF there is someone available.

Its a 7 year build
- VANTEL

Yeah could very well be. I think a lot will hinge on Demko.

Don't be a smat ass.


Have you notice that the D you are hoping to bring back currently sits in 24 th place. You cant just wake up everymorning and say everything is ok with Canucks
- VANTEL

I am aware of that. My question, again, is what is your solution to replacing most if not all of our defense?
Trade who for who? Sign what UFA (if that's your route)?
It's easy to make blank statements like 'we need to change our defense'.

I am aware of that. My question, again, is what is your solution to replacing most if not all of our defense?
Trade who for who? Sign what UFA (if that's your route)?
It's easy to make blank statements like 'we need to change our defense'.
- Marwood

Its not often you get a quality top 4 d man through free agency. Its also not often that you are able to trade for a quality top 4 d man without giving up a poop ton! The only thing I can see happening is gambling on a young coveted D prospect in an organization which seems to have a plethora of them.

Anaheim, WSH, Winnipeg are the only teams that come to mind when I see depth in the prospect pool in potential top 4 D-men.

So you cut the two worst guys and that frees up 3.25 mil to find two replacements who will get 10 min a night of ice time , no PP time . Not sure how I see how that helps , This is how we have been doing it for years already
- VANTEL

And your solution is?

Bringing back a losing formula is also pointless. 3 playoff wins 5 years. Lowest scoring D. Softest D.

Sorry I will try anything else
- VANTEL

What would that be?

I am aware of that. My question, again, is what is your solution to replacing most if not all of our defense?
Trade who for who? Sign what UFA (if that's your route)?
It's easy to make blank statements like 'we need to change our defense'.
- Marwood

I have a way of improving our defense... fire JB and higher David Poile. He seems to know a thing or two about drafting and building solid defensive cores.

I have a way of improving our defense... fire JB and higher David Poile. He seems to know a thing or two about drafting and building solid defensive cores.
- bloatedmosquito

Please add NSH to the list of teams I stated in my post above

Thanks mosquito!

No we won't. Our D is really horrible it needs to be fixed.

People love Tanev and the guy is really not good. He is a defensive player that doesn't hit, doesn't produce points and blocks a lot of shots. As we all heard last night why are there so many shots being taken.

I watched him battle in front of the net last night , he couldn't move the guy from in front . He was just an extra screen on the goalie.

What does Hamhuis do really well? One goal in two years. Again another position player that strictly defends. We need to attack.

Edler surprisingly ( sorry Froggy) does the most of everything.

Bartowski has decent numbers and is having a career year . He makes a lot of mistakes but he is young. He is worth taking a look at for another year 1.75 mil.

Biega goes back to Comets.

Hutton working into top pairing needs to work on his shot.

Pedan brings better numbers than Hamhuis but there will be many mistakes as we go along.

We need to find a trade partner to fill the right side.
- VANTEL

Tanev should have been put up for sale along with Hamhuis.

What would that be?
- Marwood

Are you asking VANTEL to fix a problem that the past 3 general managers of the canucks couldn't figure out?

I think your asking too much of VANTEL.

Are you asking VANTEL to fix a problem that the past 3 general managers of the canucks couldn't figure out?

I think your asking too much of VANTEL.
- bloatedmosquito

VANTEL is a machine. I'm sure he can succeed where others have failed.

I hope we don't fall to last overall. Then we'd expect the first overall pick, and when we don't get it we'd be really disappointed, again.

If we are 26th, at least we don't expect the first overall and if we get it, will be pure bliss.

Are you asking VANTEL to fix a problem that the past 3 general managers of the canucks couldn't figure out?

I think your asking too much of VANTEL.
- bloatedmosquito

I actually think our D will be fine next year...addition by subtraction. We will lose our worst two D in weber and Bart which will help emensly.

Taney edler
Sbisa-Hamhuis
Pedan-larsen
Biega

I think that's an average defense