We're not getting Stamkos and likely won't know if we could even get him until after the draft. Moot point.
- bluengold12

Toronto will throw so much money at him . We are not getting him . Corporations that own the Leafs can also offer him major endorsement / advertising dollars on top of hockey contract . Don't want to even discuss it or when we do lose . Leaf trolls will rub our faces in it for years. As rich as Terry is . They can buy him with Petty cash.

If you assured me right now that we are signing stamkos, and anaheim would take our first round pick for lindholm, id take it. Sure, its a bad look if the draft is here, but we are worlds better almost overnight.
- rover16

Is it a bad look? If we're picking there(6-8) anyway making a huge trade is arguably better/more exciting.

Toronto will throw so much money at him . We are not getting him . Corporations that own the Leafs can also offer him major endorsement / advertising dollars on top of hockey contract . Don't want to even discuss it or when we do lose . Leaf trolls will rub our faces in it for years.
- Maximum Signal

That's illegal under the CBA. Teams can't offer compensation other than salary under the cap. There might be loopholes, but if a corporation is a direct owner of the team they can't give endorsements.

I'm sorry but you're not giving up on two 2nd overall picks from the last two years for anything short of a top 5-10 defenceman in the NHL.

You're not trading O'Riley a guy you just got and who has a massive contract.

I guess you could trade Kane. But he's got a pretty decent sized contract too and has only played a year here in Buffalo. I'm sure Murray wants to see more of him. As far as your first. You draft in the top 4 you take the pick. I don't care. Unless again you're getting a top 5-10 defenceman in the NHL
- bluengold12

I was mostly referring to the pick and possibly Reinhart. Moving him for the a top pairing d-man hardly counts as "giving up on". Do you expect Reinhart to be a top 5-10 forward in the NHL?

And regarding the pick, in your words it's unlikely we get that so why so quick to dismiss any deal involving a pick outside of the top 4?

Is it a bad look? If we're picking there(6-8) anyway making a huge trade is arguably better/more exciting.
- Wetbandit1

I constantly site the schneider trade a few years back. It's the first thing that comes to mind anytime that draft is brought up. Exciting for the fans and it probably did more for the devils than Horvat will for the cancuks.

They are already saying that there is no way it is involved in the crime . It is a pocket knife such as is used by a handyman or construction worker . FX is behind this somehow to get publicity for the show . Plain and simple.
- Maximum Signal

I don't know about that ...........a six inch blade killed Ron and Nicole .......... that is a fact. This isn't a Swiss Army Knife we are talking about that just turned up.

I was mostly referring to the pick and possibly Reinhart. Moving him for the a top pairing d-man hardly counts as "giving up on". Do you expect Reinhart to be a top 5-10 forward in the NHL?

And regarding the pick, in your words it's unlikely we get that so why so quick to dismiss any deal involving a pick outside of the top 4?
- Sabresfan-365

Would you move it before the lottery- if we are sitting in the 5 spot?

Would you move it before the lottery- if we are sitting in the 5 spot?
- rover16

Who would make that trade? using Lindholm as the example, why would they move him just before the playoffs?

Toronto will throw so much money at him . We are not getting him . Corporations that own the Leafs can also offer him major endorsement / advertising dollars on top of hockey contract . Don't want to even discuss it or when we do lose . Leaf trolls will rub our faces in it for years. As rich as Terry is . They can buy him with Petty cash.
- Maximum Signal

If he's all about the money agree 100%. Buffalo's ONLY chance is if he's not that guy.

That's illegal under the CBA. Teams can't offer compensation other than salary under the cap. There might be loopholes, but if a corporation is a direct owner of the team they can't give endorsements.
- Wetbandit1

They would do it indirectly using corporate sponsors. McDavid-Rogers deal is a pretty good example of that

If he's all about the money agree 100%. Buffalo's ONLY chance is if he's not that guy.
- fastek

Toronto is also home for him.

They would do it indirectly using corporate sponsors. McDavid-Rogers deal is a pretty good example of that
- Sabresfan-365

Yeah, I just looked it up again, and it's a bit different than I remember, what is "fair market value"?

Other than Player Salary as outlined in (i) through (iii) above and Bonuses as set forth in subsection (b) below, no Club may provide a Player with anything of value. In addition, a Club Affiliated Entity may not provide a Player with anything of value. To the extent that a Player receives anything of value from an entity that has a contractual relationship with any Club or Club Affiliated Entity, or with the NHL or any League Affiliated Entity, for his intellectual property rights or for rendering any services for such entity, such value must be commensurate with (i.e., not clearly in excess of) fair market value. A Player is free to enter into a sponsorship, endorsement, or other commercial arrangement with a local sponsor or entity with which his Club does business but which is not a Club Affiliated Entity, in which the Player receives something of value, provided the thing of value received is commensurate with (i.e., not clearly in excess of) the fair market value of the services rendered by the Player on behalf of the sponsor or entity. Any sponsorship or endorsement arrangement between a Player and a national sponsor shall be treated in accordance with Section 26.3(e)(ii) of this Agreement.
- NHL CBA

Edit: But it's not like the corporations that make up MLSE can just throw an unlimited amount of sponsorship money at him.

Double edit: A club affiliated entity can not give anything of value to a player, but an entity that has contractual obligations of the club affiliated entity can. (frank)ing lawyers. So, no any corporation that is affiliated with MLSE can not give Stamkos any sponsorship deals, but, loopholes...

I was mostly referring to the pick and possibly Reinhart. Moving him for the a top pairing d-man hardly counts as "giving up on". Do you expect Reinhart to be a top 5-10 forward in the NHL?

And regarding the pick, in your words it's unlikely we get that so why so quick to dismiss any deal involving a pick outside of the top 4?
- Sabresfan-365

Reinhart will never be moved off this team until he somehow proves he is a bust or he's reached the end of his career. His potential is off the charts ............ just look at how far he's come in one year !

Toronto is also home for him.
- Sabresfan-365

Was or still is ?

Reinhart will never be moved off this team until he somehow proves he is a bust or he's reached the end of his career. His potential is off the charts ............ just look at how far he's come in one year !
- fastek

That's illegal under the CBA. Teams can't offer compensation other than salary under the cap. There might be loopholes, but if a corporation is a direct owner of the team they can't give endorsements.
- Wetbandit1

You are talking about Bell and Rogers in Canada . They will find ways around it . They got Hockey night in Canada away from CBC . They have their fingers in so many pies . They get what they want

Yeah, I just looked it up again, and it's a bit different than I remember, what is "fair market value"?




Edit: But it's not like the corporations that make up MLSE can just throw an unlimited amount of sponsorship money at him.
- Wetbandit1

They will do whatever they want and Bettman will turn the other way . Just the plain cold hard facts my friend.

Yeah, I just looked it up again, and it's a bit different than I remember, what is "fair market value"?




Edit: But it's not like the corporations that make up MLSE can just throw an unlimited amount of sponsorship money at him.
- Wetbandit1

I dont think they'd do it through companies that have some sort of controlling interest, rather a company with sponsorship ties. I think the CBA would only punish if they did the former.

Who would make that trade? using Lindholm as the example, why would they move him just before the playoffs?
- Sabresfan-365

Thats a good point. Looks like the lottery will be april 16th, if its like how they did it last year. Thought it was later than that.

You are talking about Bell and Rogers in Canada . They will find ways around it . They got Hockey night in Canada away from CBC . They have their fingers in so many pies . They get what they want
- Maximum Signal

No, I was looking up the ROR contract about the fact his whole salary minus $1M or whatever it is is a signing bonus. And came across the fact the teams or companies affiliated with the teams can give anything of value to the players, kind of like the NCAA.

I was mostly referring to the pick and possibly Reinhart. Moving him for the a top pairing d-man hardly counts as "giving up on". Do you expect Reinhart to be a top 5-10 forward in the NHL?

And regarding the pick, in your words it's unlikely we get that so why so quick to dismiss any deal involving a pick outside of the top 4?
- Sabresfan-365

I do . The kids hockey smarts are off the charts and that is why Murray drafted him.He ain't trading his first big draft pick to see him succeed somewhere else.

Full slate of sheitiness tomorrow in the NHL as most if not all of our evil enemies are on the schedule............

* Sabres/Wild: 10:00 AM start on the left coast (breakfast with the Sabres)
* Flames/Pens: Maybe we get the crappy Pens
* Columbus/Flyers: Back to back for the Jackets. Flyers blow .... hard to call.
* Sens/Leafs: Leafs win this one.
* Florida/Yotes: Past Panther's bedtime. Yotes win this
* Sharks/Canucks: Sharks sheity at home. Canucks prevail.

Fowler will be the guy. I'm very confident in that.
- bluengold12

it's ok if they sign yandle as well

Poor Columbus .............. they don't start out the year ....... what was it? 0-9?

Instead just split those games and they are fighting for a playoff spot...........

I love the NHL and the hair splitting between the halve and the halve nots.
- fastek

special teams

They will do whatever they want and Bettman will turn the other way . Just the plain cold hard facts my friend.
- Maximum Signal

But it's also clearly stated that no matter who is giving the sponsorship they're not allowed to give more than "fair market value" and that's where they'd find the loophole.

I don't think Toronto has as big an advantage as a lot of other people. We don't know what's going on inside of his head, we don't know if he wants the exposure, hockey players, for the most part, don't like that like a football player would. I'm not saying he's coming here, but I do believe it is a three horse race with Tampa, Toronto and here. I still think Tampa is way out in front followed by Toronto and Buffalo pretty much neck and neck. We can offer just as much cash as Toronto can, and we're arguably a few years ahead of Toronto in the re-build. I'm still not sure I want him here just based on the headache it'll cause trying to find everyone enough playing time plus the cost which will definitely be in excess of $10M unless he signs in Tampa. Then I can see him coming in just under.