LOL my god what a mess.
- Codes1087

keep seeing, pending paper work... makes sense I guess if paper work includes a contract with the Canucks and getting out of his contract with the KHL and work visa etc...

maybe he should have a look to see if his passport is still valid too.

LOL my god what a mess.
- Codes1087

It could also be a stupid rule that you cn not talk about a player currently under contract with another team

It could also be a stupid rule that you cn not talk about a player currently under contract with another team
- VANTEL

good point, didn't think of that.

http://canucksarmy.com/2016/3/4/fun-with-the-canucks-salary-cap

and

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en...12/NHL_NHLPA_2013_CBA.pdf
- belcherbd

Thanks
Forgot he was drafted at 20

It could also be a stupid rule that you cn not talk about a player currently under contract with another team
- VANTEL

I don't think the NHL has a deal with KHL though.

It could also be a stupid rule that you cn not talk about a player currently under contract with another team
- VANTEL

I would guess that comes into it as well, my feeling ( no source Lombardi) is that Tryamkin wants to be compensated to come over here because there is a chance he ends up in the AHL making 80K or whatever and he can likely make more in the KHL. He can get a signing bonus if he plays at least one game here which might do the trick

To do that it sounds like the Canucks need to jump through some hoops regarding their LTIR cap space and are still trying to figure out all the details. ie pending paperwork.

Lots of factors seem to be in play, from what I have read some of them are:


-Tryamkin's contract ends April 30th and generally to break that contract, the player needs to pay the team a fee out of their own pocket. Some reports that someone ended up paying 500K to break contract, the team cannot pay this as it would be consider cap circumvention

-One of if not both Edler and Sutter need to be on LTIR for the remainder of the season to fit his contract in. If one of or both end up being healthy enough to play by the end of the season, the Canucks could be guilty of exceeding the cap. I think that if a doctor clears a player they cannot remain on LTIR, so hard to predict if Sutter and/or Edler will be healthy by the end of the season.

-If not signed by June 1st, Tryamkin becomes a UFA, but the Canucks are only able to offer him a rookie contract with limited bonuses so hard to financially compensate him.

-Tryamkin might not actually be interested in coming over.
- belcherbd

as much as i'd like to troll you guys on this, can't you just throw bartowski (or similar) in the minors to open up the roster spot / cap room?

I would guess that comes into it as well, my feeling ( no source Lombardi) is that Tryamkin wants to be compensated to come over here because there is a chance he ends up in the AHL making 80K or whatever and he can likely make more in the KHL. He can get a signing bonus if he plays at least one game here which might do the trick

To do that it sounds like the Canucks need to jump through some hoops regarding their LTIR cap space and are still trying to figure out all the details. ie pending paperwork.
- belcherbd

He can sign a one way deal and get paid the same in the AHL

as much as i'd like to troll you guys on this, can't you just throw bartowski (or similar) in the minors to open up the roster spot / cap room?
- Tumbleweed

Not sure, I thought they would of had to send him or whoever down prior to the deadline to do that.

as much as i'd like to troll you guys on this, can't you just throw bartowski (or similar) in the minors to open up the roster spot / cap room?
- Tumbleweed

Just put Edler on LTIR, problem solved.

He can sign a one way deal and get paid the same in the AHL
- A_SteamingLombardi

Is that an option for Rookie contracts? I have no idea regardless it is confusing but I'm sure they won't lose him as a UFA but not so as certain we will get to see him this year.

Not sure, I thought they would of had to send him or whoever down prior to the deadline to do that.
- belcherbd

That would be to play in the AHL playoffs.

Is that an option for Rookie contracts? I have no idea regardless it is confusing but I'm sure they won't lose him as a UFA but not so as certain we will get to see him this year.
- belcherbd

I'm not sure if ELC have to be 2 way or not.

Just put Edler on LTIR, problem solved.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I think that is possible as well, unless he comes back from his injury before the end of the season and if that happens they are in trouble.

Not sure, I thought they would of had to send him or whoever down prior to the deadline to do that.
- belcherbd

there are some rules about needing to be in the ahl prior to the deadline to be playoff eligible in the AHL. maybe there are other limits too.

Is that an option for Rookie contracts? I have no idea regardless it is confusing but I'm sure they won't lose him as a UFA but not so as certain we will get to see him this year.
- belcherbd

It's confusing for us because we don't know all the ins and outs, management/agent does.

I think that is possible as well, unless he comes back from his injury before the end of the season and if that happens they are in trouble.
- belcherbd

No, the portion of his contract that is on LTIR can be used else where.

Just put Edler on LTIR, problem solved.
- A_SteamingLombardi

seems like there are solutions.

you can still make trades, guys just can't play in the playoffs. i'm sure the leafs could help you out

I'm not sure if ELC have to be 2 way or not.
- A_SteamingLombardi

as far as i know, they have to be 2-way.

seems like there are solutions.

you can still make trades, guys just can't play in the playoffs. i'm sure the leafs could help you out
- Tumbleweed

Great, Higgins for a 7th it is.

That would be to play in the AHL playoffs.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I'm not 100% but I think that only players who were in the minors at the time of the deadline (gaunce) can be sent back down.

(j) A Player may be Loaned to a club of any league affiliated with the League at any time up to 3:00 p.m. New York time of the fortieth (40th) day immediately preceding the final
day of the Regular Season (the "Trade Deadline"). Following this period, no Player may be Loaned, except that:

(i) a Player who has been Recalled during such restricted period under Article 13.12(l), 13.12(m), or 13.12(n) may be Loaned back to the member club of the affiliated league from which they were Recalled;

(ii) a Player who is on the Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception, or who has been unfit for 24 calendar days and ten (10) NHL Regular Season games, may be Loaned on a Bona-Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan (with the Player's consent) pursuant to Section 13.9 above for a period not to exceed the longer of six (6) days and three (3) games (which Loan is not subject to any extension), provided, however, if the Player is not on the Bona-Fide Long Term Injury/Illness Exception, he cannot be Loaned while he is on Injured
Reserve; and

(iii) a Player may be Loaned (with the Player's consent) provided such Player (a) was on Recall and was determined to be disabled as of the Trade Deadline, (b) is determined to be fit to play prior to such Loan, and (c) was on the Active Roster for less than twenty-five percent (25%) of the period from the beginning of the Regular Season up to and including the date on which he was determined to be disabled.

Great, Higgins for a 7th it is.
- A_SteamingLombardi

i was thinking bartowski and a 4th for that 7th

It's confusing for us because we don't know all the ins and outs, management/agent does.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I hope so, but we have seen them make mistakes as well.

O'Reilly offer-sheet and Edm offering a contract to a russian but later being redacted come to mind.

I hope so, but we have seen them make mistakes as well.

O'Reilly offer-sheet and Edm offering a contract to a russian but later being redacted come to mind.
- belcherbd

Yes, and we've seen the Canucks draft Bure in the 6th round using information no one else had.

Stay positive

i was thinking bartowski and a 4th for that 7th
- Tumbleweed

Edler on LTIR sounds better