he should not be penalized for his injury but penalized for being on a terrible team. players on top teams have to do other things besides rack up points.

I understand the McDavid is the sexy option and is desired as the NHL poster boy... but IMO Ghost should have been the NHL Rookie of the Month for February... and be seriously considered for he Calder.


Was quite pissed he didn't get rookie of the month for Feb. He broke a 40 year old record in much harder to score league, how that was ignored is beyond me, Philly fans know he won it.

People talk about these awards like they matter...
- archromat

Maybe you'll feel differently if a Devil ever competes for one this decade.

So you don't think ovie deserved it in 06 cause the caps were terrible?
Or even Crosby cause the pens were even worse? Youdve given it to phaneuf......

The Hawks were bad in Kane's rookie, he didn't deserve it?
Ekblad last year?


Or does this only applies to oilers players?

If your oiler hate didn't shine through in every post u made about them, I think your post could be taken more seriously.


Either way, it really doesn't matter who gets the trophy. Just a piece of metal. Gost, panarin, jack all great rooks and would be good choices. But Connor is the best rookie hands down, no debate

something to be said for minutes too, McDavid gets a boatload because Edmonton isnt very deep, as opposed tho Philly/Det/Chi
- Crazybagoham

A quick look shows Panarin is playing more than McDavid per game.

A quick look shows Panarin is playing more than McDavid per game.
- abware

No place for facts here bro. Kindly see yourself out thank you very much

No place for facts here bro. Kindly see yourself out thank you very much
- HB77

It is only :20/g, and they are both playing quite a bit more than Larkin and Domi, so he does have a portion of fact. Eichel and Ghost are both playing more per game as well, but I wasn't going to compare Ghost being a defenseman.

crosby has 22 points since feb 2nd... ek doesn't check his facts. even without his 2 point game yesterday he's at 20, which apparently no one else even cracked

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...s,goals&aggregate=1&pos=S

It is only :20/g, and they are both playing quite a bit more than Larkin and Domi, so he does have a portion of fact. Eichel and Ghost are both playing more per game as well, but I wasn't going to compare Ghost being a defenseman.
- abware

It's kind of you to try and draw caveats for the guy who made the post.. But either something is true or isnt. And in this case it isn't.


The most that can be said is minutes played clearly shouldn't be a determining factor as there's no hard trend among all the contenders

I said many months ago that he will be in the running for the Calder and he'll even be "up there" in points. He still has some time to make it an easy decision.

Panarin is playing with elite players. Mcdavid is the elite player on the coilers.
- thundachunk

Technically, this is a false statement. Only Patrick Kane is a #1 pick. McDavid has Hall, RNH, and Nail with him. So you can say McD has more "elite" players.
And why ignore his injury, that is like saying ignore a guys scoring slump. You have to take a players entire rookie season into account when deciding a vote, can't selectively pick certain events only.

The lack of Gibson in this thread is just so typical

Technically, this is a false statement. Only Patrick Kane is a #1 pick. McDavid has Hall, RNH, and Nail with him. So you can say McD has more "elite" players.
And why ignore his injury, that is like saying ignore a guys scoring slump. You have to take a players entire rookie season into account when deciding a vote, can't selectively pick certain events only.
- powerenforcer

Except a scoring slump is indicative of a players abilities, McDavids injury has nothing to do with the fact that hes scoring at a monstrous pace consistently. Also, the oilers have yet to ice a full lineup, so at no point in this year was McDavid playing along side all of the other 1st over alls.

It's kind of you to try and draw cavets for the guy who made the post.. But either something is true or isnt. And in this case it isn't.


The most that can be said is minutes played clearly shouldn't be a determining factor as there's no hard trend among all the contenders
- HB77

It was mostly so he has nothing else to say and I have one less BS post to read.

Technically, this is a false statement. Only Patrick Kane is a #1 pick. McDavid has Hall, RNH, and Nail with him. So you can say McD has more "elite" players.
And why ignore his injury, that is like saying ignore a guys scoring slump. You have to take a players entire rookie season into account when deciding a vote, can't selectively pick certain events only.
- powerenforcer

You equate draft position with ability???

You equate draft position with ability???
- abware

Annnd another one

:I wonder if he's interested in dealing toews for nuge since toews was drafted 3rd Overall, he's clearly the inferior player....

Technically, this is a false statement. Only Patrick Kane is a #1 pick. McDavid has Hall, RNH, and Nail with him. So you can say McD has more "elite" players.
And why ignore his injury, that is like saying ignore a guys scoring slump. You have to take a players entire rookie season into account when deciding a vote, can't selectively pick certain events only.
- powerenforcer

McDavid only played like 2 games with Hall. Nuge is injured and never played with him. But you think Yakupov is elite so your opinion doesn't really matter.

Ghost should be the winner of it. McDavid is undoubtedly the best rookie and Panarin is a very impressive player, but Ghost has 3 factors that make me believe he should win:

1.) He's a Dman scoring at the pace he is.

2.) He took over a Flyers blueline that offers him minimal support and is carrying it on his back. He has been controlling the play similar to how Karlsson does.

3.) The Flyers have looked like a completely different team since he joined their ranks (record since his call-up is proof).

"Awarded to the player selected as the most proficient in his first year of competition in the NHL". I think position needs to factor into this argument far more than games played or linemates.

The lack of Gibson in this thread is just so typical
- gtrman09

He plays for a team that was in the top 3 for odds on favorites to win the cup. Pretty sure their winning streak has a lot more to do with their forwards. 16 wins in 26 starts is not exactly Calder conversation worthy.

It's Panarin right now, but if McDavid keeps this pace up for another 20 games it will be a conversation. Ghost is another guy where if he somehow keeps the scoring pace up, it will be hard to ignore but in honesty Parayko has better defensive stats than him in a larger sample and is better on the defensive side of the puck(not that it seems to matter when judging D for awards these days)

Ghost should be the winner of it. McDavid is undoubtedly the best rookie and Panarin is a very impressive player, but Ghost has 3 factors that make me believe he should win:

1.) He's a Dman scoring at the pace he is.

2.) He took over a Flyers blueline that offers him minimal support and is carrying it on his back. He has been controlling the play similar to how Karlsson does.

3.) The Flyers have looked like a completely different team since he joined their ranks (record since his call-up is proof).

"Awarded to the player selected as the most proficient in his first year of competition in the NHL". I think npositio needs to factor into this argument far more than games played or linemates.
- MaximumBone

I agree, his defensive metrics are not that impressive.

Technically, this is a false statement. Only Patrick Kane is a #1 pick. McDavid has Hall, RNH, and Nail with him. So you can say McD has more "elite" players.
And why ignore his injury, that is like saying ignore a guys scoring slump. You have to take a players entire rookie season into account when deciding a vote, can't selectively pick certain events only.
- powerenforcer

Okay, let's compare high-end talent surrounding each guy:

Panarin has Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, Hjalmarsson, Seabrook, Crawford, and now Ladd. All are or have in the past few seasons been considered among the top players at their respective positions.

McDavid has Hall and Eberle who are or have been considered among the top players at their respective positions and a collection of other young players with high potential in Nuge, Draisaitl, Yakupov, Klefbom, and Nurse (two of whom have struggled mightily).

shut up, ek.

I agree, his defensive metrics are not that impressive.
- neem55

How so? His possession numbers show a player who succeeds in pushing possession in his team's favour playing top-4 minutes (albeit sheltered top-4 minutes). He's even still a plus if you want to factor +/- into the equation. He's playing the hardest skating position on a team with minimal support (Streit aaaand... Gudas? Maybe Del Zotto?) and has been a major contributor in the turn-around of his team's season.

Panarin plays sheltered minutes on an elite team with tonnes of support (Toews, Kane, Hossa, now Ladd, etc) and pushes possession in his team's favour (as you'd expect). He does so play the easiest skating position, but has had a remarkable amount of success. His impact on his team's season is arguable as he's certainly been a major positive factor, but it's not like Chicago still wouldn't be an elite team without him is silly.

something to be said for minutes too, McDavid gets a boatload because Edmonton isnt very deep, as opposed tho Philly/Det/Chi
- Crazybagoham

Or he gets a lot of minutes because he is the best player in the league and deserves them.

Nope will go to the 7 year KHL vet. Connor deserves it if he keeps it up. This year's Calder race should be between my boy jack, McD, Larkin, Domi or Gost...instead will be decided by how many times my old teamate PKane chooses to pass instead of doing it by his damn self. I don't want to discredit Panarin as it is obvious he is a good player in his own right, but Imagine if Connor, Jack, Max or Dylan played with the MVP of the league and were half a dozen years older...methinks they'd all win given that chance.
- RhinoFan

While this argument has some merit, it also lacks merit. Some, just not much.

Panarin is benefitting from playing with Kane. What you don't cite is that Kane is benefitting hugely from playing with Panarin. Panarin is the real deal, as are a handful of other players who really are probably close to be ing "rookies" than Panarin is, because he has played pro hockey for several years.

So, I personally think it would be fine if McDavid or Gostisbehere or someone else won it. But thats taking nothing from how good Panarin is and will become.