also, reimer is a nice guy and easy to cheer for, but the whole bible thumper thing just kinda irks me for some reason

as I don't pay incredibly close attention to the leafs, maybe hes not actually that bad, and ill stand corrected if im wrong. just seems ive noticed a few times him waving his faith around. leave the praise jesus's for church bro

also, reimer is a nice guy and easy to cheer for, but the whole bible thumper thing just kinda irks me for some reason

as I don't pay incredibly close attention to the leafs, maybe hes not actually that bad, and ill stand corrected if im wrong. just seems ive noticed a few times him waving his faith around. leave the praise jesus's for church bro
- HB77

The trades of Reimer and Phaneuf didn't do any favors to the wives & girlfriends section of Maple Leafs games.

The trades of Reimer and Phaneuf didn't do any favors to the wives & girlfriends section of Maple Leafs games.


- tkecanuck341

agreed

agreed
- HB77

One of the greatest gifs ever. Too bad they both said it was random drunk person that initiated it all.

Although I don't agree with everything you post - you make me think in unique and different ways about hockey stats which increases my enjoyment of watching games - Cheers keep it up -
- dozerD10

Thanks to you, good sir.

I think this is the 100th time I've written this on a Tanner blog, I don't know why I continue to bother, but here goes:

Corsi and other advanced stats are helpful for supplemental analysis of the game, a team, and/or individual players. However, they can't be used as a replacement of "simple" stats or other traditional means of evaluating players. To solely look at advanced statistics and say Player A is better than Player B because Corsi is just as bad as saying Player A is better than Player B because plus/minus.

I am a fan of advanced statistics. They are an effective way to bring further insight into an already complicated game. However, hockey is not baseball. You can't just Moneyball your way to Stanley Cups in this game. Using advanced stats as supplemental analysis is incredibly helpful. Using only advanced stats highlights a lack of understanding of how the game is played.
- tkecanuck341

The reason you have to keep writing this is because it's wrong.

Or, not really wrong, but redundant.

Of the people I know who watch the most hockey - almost all of them are into advanced stats. "You don't watch the games" is just a protectionist rant from people who are insulted that they may have to evolve their understanding of the game.

You can and should watch things and make observations - as long as you realize that what you remember is likely not representative of the whole, they it's only going to help you.

No one "just uses corsi" but if they did, certainly that is objectively more effective than just using plus/minus ,although I take your point.

We in fact use tons and tons of stats to make our points, including basic ones like goals, assists and shots that hit the net.

Anyways, you're looking at things through this ridiculously unnuanced black/white prism and as such, unless you take heed of what I'm saying, you'll be forced to keep writing the same thing another 20 times.,

Man am I happy you're not in charge of who makes team Canada. #chiggitycheckyourself
- poopstash

The only thing worse than using a meme to make your point is using a hash tag for any other reason but to bring attention to the topic you're talking/writing about in a search engine.

For instance, I might post this on Twitter with the hashtag #Coyotes or #Leafs

but I wouldn't use a hashtag in a joke or to make a point any more than I'd start off a "joke" by saying "I be like...." or "That moment when..".......

but then again, maybe not everyone is as much of an amateur comedy writing enthusiast/ horrible usage snob as I am.

also, reimer is a nice guy and easy to cheer for, but the whole bible thumper thing just kinda irks me for some reason

as I don't pay incredibly close attention to the leafs, maybe hes not actually that bad, and ill stand corrected if im wrong. just seems ive noticed a few times him waving his faith around. leave the praise jesus's for church bro
- HB77

Kind of agree, but he's a great dude so I forgive him. I mean, poop, I nothing ever disappointed me more than finding out Bob Dylan has a Christian Period, but it turns out the tunes are pretty bad ass, so in the end, what do I care?

Jimbo. Another thumbs up from me on the music brother.

Wife made me watch This is 40 (for about the 8th time) last night. I've spent most of today listening to my old Ryan Adams albums.

I'd agree about using advanced stats during the intermissions, but you have to understand that it's really not that entertaining. I think the main focus of the intermission shows are to try to keep viewers by any means necessary which is why Don Cherry works and to a lesser extent, Healy. They just spout garbage that gets people mad or excited which keeps them watching, much like when bloggers on here say controversial things for hits in the comments. For analytics to work on TV I think they'll need a personality who is engaging and makes those kinds of things interesting to a broad audience.

You are so right. That Keith guy sucks. Heck, he only played over 30 minutes per game in last year's playoffs, lead his to to the Stanley Cup, and won the Conn Smythe.

The Hawks need to trade his sorry ass, and I hope Team Canada can find someone to carry him next fall.

You are so right. That Keith guy sucks. Heck, he only played over 30 minutes per game in last year's playoffs, lead his to to the Stanley Cup, and won the Conn Smythe.

The Hawks need to trade his sorry ass, and I hope Team Canada can find someone to carry him next fall.
- scottak

While I agree that Keith is unequivocally the right choice for team canada over either of subban or Muzzin. (Probably Brodie too)

Tanner didn't actually make the leap you have. Exaggeration doesn't prove anything

The intermissions and such are purely entertainment and they won't spend a ton of time talking about advanced stats. I wouldn't mind a weekly segment on HNIC or whatever other garbage broadcast Rogers is putting out these days where they spend 2-3 minutes talking analytics - but I suspect that the average fan doesn't care.

I don't pay for cable because it's always been a BS ripoff if you want to have any quality channels - so I stream hockey from various free websites. Whenever possible I watch the American broadcasts. Whoever does the Dallas Stars games is pretty good and MSG network seems to broadcast a lot of the NY, NYI, and NJD games and they are pretty good too.

Jimbo. Another thumbs up from me on the music brother.

Wife made me watch This is 40 (for about the 8th time) last night. I've spent most of today listening to my old Ryan Adams albums.
- walshyleafsfan

Great movie. My favorite part is when he shuts off the dance music and plays Alice in Chains for his family - who hate it. The exact same scene, exact same song played out a few years ago in my house. When we first saw it, my wife paused the movie and was like "holy ______ that's eerie."

Also, that is a pretty good way to spend a day.

You are so right. That Keith guy sucks. Heck, he only played over 30 minutes per game in last year's playoffs, lead his to to the Stanley Cup, and won the Conn Smythe.

The Hawks need to trade his sorry ass, and I hope Team Canada can find someone to carry him next fall.
- scottak

I don't think you have to take things at their most extreme. Keith is a very good player and still worthy of making Team Canada. But that doesn't mean he's better than T.J Brodie at this point and time.

What am I wrong about?

The team who plays the best doesn't always win. In fact, they probably only win about 60 odd percent of the time. Luck is a major major major factor in the outcome of games when teams are evenly matched, which every team in the NHL is.
- James_Tanner

So how can you go on, and on about the Yotes being the worst team in the league, When in fact you feel all 30 teams are equal?

The Kings are the superior team as seen by their superior roster, their better record over the last five or so years and their two Stanley Cups.

Currently, the Kings have the best team in hockey and should be the #1 favorite for the Cup.
- James_Tanner

Again!
Even better then a healthy Oiler's squad?

So how can you go on, and on about the Yotes being the worst team in the league, When in fact you feel all 30 teams are equal?
- camfor

You're too much.

The reason you have to keep writing this is because it's wrong.

Or, not really wrong, but redundant.

Of the people I know who watch the most hockey - almost all of them are into advanced stats. "You don't watch the games" is just a protectionist rant from people who are insulted that they may have to evolve their understanding of the game.

You can and should watch things and make observations - as long as you realize that what you remember is likely not representative of the whole, they it's only going to help you.

No one "just uses corsi" but if they did, certainly that is objectively more effective than just using plus/minus ,although I take your point.

We in fact use tons and tons of stats to make our points, including basic ones like goals, assists and shots that hit the net.

Anyways, you're looking at things through this ridiculously unnuanced black/white prism and as such, unless you take heed of what I'm saying, you'll be forced to keep writing the same thing another 20 times.,
- James_Tanner

Hey tanner how come you never do any systems analysis?

Hey tanner how come you never do any systems analysis?
- Feds91Stammer

Not my forte.

it's funny to see Tanner insult anyone in his path who doesn't bow to the majesty of spreadsheet analysis, then completely throw his entire set of convictions out the window when it comes to his super duper favourite team. amazing how small sample sizes are irrelevant until they're not. case in point: James Reimer, an objectively mediocre goalie who defines the word "average". but he put up good number for 3 months so now he's AWESOME!

if Reimer didn't play for his beloved Leafs, he'd be just some other schmuck goalie.

Groundhog day again.

Not my forte.
- James_Tanner

Well it's essentially the process that leads to corsi. Maybe you should step your game up.

I have openly admitted that the Leafs are my favorite team over 70000 times on here. But Conga should be banned just for being annoying. Not my favorite poster.
- James_Tanner

Is it because he's smarter than you?

The reason you have to keep writing this is because it's wrong.

Or, not really wrong, but redundant.

Of the people I know who watch the most hockey - almost all of them are into advanced stats. "You don't watch the games" is just a protectionist rant from people who are insulted that they may have to evolve their understanding of the game.

You can and should watch things and make observations - as long as you realize that what you remember is likely not representative of the whole, they it's only going to help you.

No one "just uses corsi" but if they did, certainly that is objectively more effective than just using plus/minus ,although I take your point.

We in fact use tons and tons of stats to make our points, including basic ones like goals, assists and shots that hit the net.

Anyways, you're looking at things through this ridiculously unnuanced black/white prism and as such, unless you take heed of what I'm saying, you'll be forced to keep writing the same thing another 20 times.,
- James_Tanner

How about "you can't really gain a proper understanding of a guy's ability if all you ever do is watch him on TV."

Is that fair?