, I don't mind the potato head, he's okay. don't agree with everything he says, but usually enjoy his perspective.
- hillbillydeluxe

K. I can only look at the last 5 games for TOI averages on NHL.com when I search by age.

19yo
Larkin +19 14 mins
Bennet -5 15 mins
Fabbri -3 14 mins

20yo
Reinhart - 5 19 mins
Barkov +14 20 mins
Mackinnon -5 18 mins
Horvat - 31 17 mins
Lindholm -14 20 mins
- Ronning4ever

You are honestly the annoying kid brother who everyone wants to punch in the face. +/- is the dumbest stat in the game. With those stats, add in offensive zone starts and defensive zone starts to all Center?

Let's start to compare line mates years of nhl experience. Then compare the hours of sleep each player has averaged per night pre game day. Cause the +/- stat is about as useful as the ones I just mentioned

You are honestly the annoying kid brother who everyone wants to punch in the face. +/- is the dumbest stat in the game. With those stats, add in offensive zone starts and defensive zone starts to all Center?

Let's start to compare line mates years of nhl experience. Then compare the hours of sleep each player has averaged per night pre game day. Cause the +/- stat is about as useful as the ones I just mentioned
- Codes1087

That's a bit much don't you think?

This is what I was thinking last night,

Tim M. Holman
‏@BlueandGreen60
Gary Galley: former Bruin. Currently the most annoying, clueless colour guy in existence. #Canucks

It might have been the first time Galley started and didn't stop talking or the moment he was talking about the SJ penalty kill and needing to get the puck out of their dzone...
- hillbillydeluxe

It took him like 30 seconds with a pulled goalie for him to notice there was a penalty called, the guy was garbage. Now I know his name > ty

imo Horvat is bad lately because he has no finish yet. He'll put an amazing scoring opportunity in the crest of the goalies jersey. I hope he focuses on his shot this summer as much as he did skating last summer (like learning to pick a corner, etc). His bad +/- reflects that, he plays just fine in his own zone. He has the hard parts of being an NHLer down, just some tweaking is needed.

It took him like 30 seconds with a pulled goalie for him to notice there was a penalty called, the guy was garbage. Now I know his name > ty
- Crazybagoham

Kept thinking the play by play guy must of had a big Mackintosh toffee on the go and was unable to speak... because during long stretches of play, all we heard was Galley going on about cr4p I was't interested in...

Kept thinking the play by play guy must of had a big MacIntosh toffee on the go and was unable to speak... because during long stretches of play, all we heard was Galley going on about cr4p I was't interested in...
- hillbillydeluxe

take a shot everytime he praised brent burns/ mentioned the dan hamhuis situation (because he knew nothing about the canucks). I never used to like the Johns, but they really are pretty non biased for local guys, because other casters are unwatchable. (I mute the game then turn on 1040 sometimes)

You are honestly the annoying kid brother who everyone wants to punch in the face. +/- is the dumbest stat in the game. With those stats, add in offensive zone starts and defensive zone starts to all Center?

Let's start to compare line mates years of nhl experience. Then compare the hours of sleep each player has averaged per night pre game day. Cause the +/- stat is about as useful as the ones I just mentioned
- Codes1087

I think most stats other than amount of goals and cups are pretty bunk. Usually used as a crutch for analysts/fans who actually didnt watch the game. the forsi/ Cenwick stuff is all garbage too :3 until they quantify grit and luck and intangibles like that, I'm not a believer of stats.

That's a bit much don't you think?
- dbot

Now now, maybe he's right.

It's possible I'm putting too much stock into a stat that, for a specific player focusses on the "difference between their team's total scoring versus their opponent's when the player is in the game," thinking it would somehow "provide a...meaningful measure over a full season" of their play.

I know, scoring vs. being outscored...'irrelevant'. Shot attempts are far more indicative. Like Carolina, every knows they're the 7th best team in the league. Fools like me might say: 21st...but I'd just be looking at their +/-.

I mean when you look at the Canucks, heck, this stat would state that our top line and Dan Hamhuis would be our top four players in this regard...and that would be just silly.

Focusing on shot attempts Jake Virtanen is our hands down team leader. And Bo does a lot better. He's still second last on the team but 797/838 in the league...

I don't know that I would call Horvat's season a disaster but it certainly hasn't been very good likely for multiple reasons.

Statistically +/- is garbage when used in a small sample size but being the worst in the league over a season does suggest that there has been some issues there.

The biggest difference this year from last IMO is that Bo was shooting at an inflated ~15% at even strength. This season he has regressed to a much more realistic ~7%

His even strength ice time hasn't changed much, going from 11:14 a game to 12:27 a game.
Also at even strength his corsi/fenwick/ Against hasn't changed much from last season, which was bad and is still bad this year.

His scoring chance against has ballooned and he is allowing a very high amount of scoring chances when on the ice compared to last season, his chance for have basically stayed the same.

The sv% while he is one the ice has gone down to .892 from .909 last year which likely plays a role in his +/-

He has seen basically the same level of competition 5v5 from last year as well.
Although he is getting less offensive zone starts and more defensive zone starts.
His FO% also not very useful, hasn't changed much from last year.

He is getting significantly more ice time on the PP and the PK and he has had pretty good success on the PP, which is one of the reasons I think statistically (goals, assists, points) he doesn't look like he has struggled as much.

take a shot everytime he praised brent burns/ mentioned the dan hamhuis situation (because he knew nothing about the canucks). I never used to like the Johns, but they really are pretty non biased for local guys, because other casters are unwatchable. (I mute the game then turn on 1040 sometimes)
- Crazybagoham

I would have taken John Abbot last night over those guys we were stuck listening to..

Garrett is a homer, I can live with that. Thought the cbc would be a bit more unbiased.

Would guess that the cbc crew last night calls more Sharks games than Canuck games... just found it unbearable, might try 1040 in the future, but I often pvr, and start watching about 40 mins to an hour after puck drop and ffwd through commercials.

I think most stats other than amount of goals and cups are pretty bunk. Usually used as a crutch for analysts/fans who actually didnt watch the game. the forsi/ Cenwick stuff is all garbage too :3 until they quantify grit and luck and intangibles like that, I'm not a believer of stats.
- Crazybagoham

Corsi/fenwick/scoring chances actually are quantifying luck while just looking at goals ignores it.

Those stats are certainly not the whole picture or even the majority of it but they do help.

I would much rather have a player who can consistently have more shots on goal than against regardless of how many go in. Luck plays a huge factor in how many go in, the skill is in creating those opportunities which is what those stats represent.

I would have taken John Abbot last night over those guys we were stuck listening to..

Garrett is a homer, I can live with that. Thought the cbc would be a bit more unbiased.

Would guess that the cbc crew last night calls more Sharks games than Canuck games... just found it unbearable, might try 1040 in the future, but I often pvr, and start watching about 40 mins to an hour after puck drop and ffwd through commercials.
- hillbillydeluxe

the reason i had to turn off those score notifications on my phone, I do this a lot. Get sick of constant panago/rolex commercials.

Garret is starting to grow on me, he doesn't have a filter on what he says. He still has pretty decent goalie eyes too :p, so he usually calls it before toronto.

I cant stand shorthouse.

Igor Eronko: The contract for Canucks prospectNikita Tryamkin with Avtomobilist has been terminated. He’ll be joining the Canucks soon. His deal will have an AHL out clause.
- Pres.cup

AHL out clause? Please explain

AHL out clause? Please explain
- SMBDragon

I imagine it allows him to break the contract and go back to the KHL if he spends X amount of time in the AHL.

Tumbleweed was trashing the Canucks and I told him to beat it and I'm banned while he slithers back to the safety of the Leafs blog....HypocriBuzz
- CanuckDon

Sounds like the leafs mods hate us too....maybe the mods need a mod....

Garry Galley usually covers Ottawa and Montreal games for Hockey Night in Canada. He has typically been Bob Cole's colour man, but I think Bob is inching ever closer to retirement and Dave Randorf is picking up those assignments.

Randorf is originally a Vancouver boy but doesn't get to call many games out west. If you look at his Twitter feed today, he seemed quite chuffed to see Ben Hutton play live.

I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who thought Galley talked way too much last night. I was wondering if he had too much coffee.

Maybe he was expected to chip in more when he worked with 82-year-old Cole?

Sounds like the leafs mods hate us too....maybe the mods need a mod....
- SMBDragon

Internal Affairs ?

Garry Galley usually covers Ottawa and Montreal games for Hockey Night in Canada. He has typically been Bob Cole's colour man, but I think Bob is inching ever closer to retirement and Dave Randorf is picking up those assignments.

Randorf is originally a Vancouver boy but doesn't get to call many games out west. If you look at his Twitter feed today, he seemed quite chuffed to see Ben Hutton play live last night.

I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who thought Galley talked way too much last night. I was wondering if he had too much coffee.

Maybe he was expected to chip in more when he worked with 82-year-old Cole?
- Carol Schram

I was wondering if the two covered the different Canadian teams when they play western conference teams?

Randorf seemed up on all the names for all the Shark players and, especially in the first period, when the Canucks had the puck Galley was talking.

Maybe you are right about the coffee and I was wrong about the toffee.

I even missed Hughson last night.

Sounds like the leafs mods hate us too....maybe the mods need a mod....
- SMBDragon

It's a Toronto thing, entitlement.

I'd rather a guy who gets more goals, an Ovey over a Vrbata. shots on goal don't mean jack imo

K my theory: the top 3 teams in shots per game
Pitt- 32.7 shots
LA- 32.6 shots
Dall- 32.4 shots

top 3 in goals per game:
Wash- 30.7 shots
Dall- 32.4 shots
bos- 31.4

notice all the very good shooting/goal teams get about 30 shots per game ( a decent amount yes, but not more than any goalie expects in a game). 1 thing all those teams have in common, quality goal scorers (benn,crosby,malkin,kopitar,seguin,ovey,etc,etc) that can pick a spot. Just getting shots on goal are no good in my opinion, you need the skill to put it in the net too. That's the problem with van, our only guys like that are Daniel and Baertschi to a lesser extent
- Crazybagoham

No sh1t you would rather have the guy/team who has more goals but how do you know a player will score 31 one year and only 12 the next?

Comparing Ovechkin and Vrbata is pointless, one is the best goal scorer in the league and arguably of all time.

Jason Blake scored 40 goals one season, Clarkson had 30 and many more guys who got lucky. Looking at goals scored over a small sample doesn't prove anything. The guys who consistently score are also the guys who consistently get a lot of shots.

And once again if you're only looking at +- you'll only see that. Have you actually watched him play in person and seeing how he does against other players. Those players, with the exception of Barkov, Mackinnon, Larkin are going to bed superstars in the league.

Look at your list none of those guys penalty kill. Your stats argument doesn't hold water when you look at the teams and how they have older centers protecting them or. Datsuk, Zetterberg, O'Reilly, Backes, etc
- allsports

very true....if you're on PK ...or worse, a poopty PK your +/- will suffer greatly. Esp when compared with other players NOT used on PK. Not a fair comparison.
Why is this info not included in stats?
So like overall +/- .....and a +/- not on PK.

very true....if you're on PK ...or worse, a poopty PK your +/- will suffer greatly. Esp when compared with other players NOT used on PK. Not a fair comparison.
Why is this info not included in stats?
So like overall +/- .....and a +/- not on PK.
- SMBDragon

+/- is only calculated for 5v5.......

PK and PP do not have any bearing on it.

+/- is only calculated for 5v5.......

PK and PP do not have any bearing on it.
- belcherbd

Not true...

"A player is awarded a "plus" each time he is on the ice when his Club scores an even-strength or shorthanded goal. He receives a "minus" if he is on the ice for an even-strength or shorthanded goal scored by the opposing Club. The difference in these numbers is considered the player's "plus-minus" statistic."

It's a Toronto thing, entitlement.
- VanHockeyGuy

we did have that 1 mod from TO come over about a year ago and clean things up nice. Forget his name, but he got rid of some To n oilers trolls....1 specific 1 from TO he was more than happy to ban.