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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 8 @ 1:19 PM ET
What teams? Toronto probably can offer most but does he waste prime years in a full rebuild?

Lots of top teams have worse cap issues then the Flyers and would need to move mountains to fit him.

Does he go to market like AZ?

When I look around the league I don't see tons of teams being able to purse him without making huge changes. The Flyers can do it without moving mountains and also present a closer chance to competing the other teams like Toronto. I don't think its very far fetched.

- J35Bacher


NJ could sign him without having to move anyone. They could go as high as $11m for seven years and still have plenty of room left over.

The Islanders have more space than us next season and are a playoff team. There's really no reason to think the Flyers are in a position to outbid the rest of the league for Stamkos.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Mar 8 @ 1:21 PM ET
On a funnier note, Ek just listed Vinny as the 5th for 5 best trade pick ups this season
- arichardson22


litrilly trolling us
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 8 @ 1:25 PM ET
St Louis is another team that's better than us and will have more space than us, even after re-signing Schwartz. If they flame out again in the playoffs they'll also be desperate to finally get a real 1C.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Mar 8 @ 1:27 PM ET
Yeah, but that only opens up $2.5M. If they want to get Stamkos AND fill out the roster with competent players, they'd need to move the whole thing.
- PhillySportsGuy


I don't think people understand how dramatic a contract like Stamkos would be on any team, especially the Flyers.

This is assuming the cap stays the same, good chance it actually goes down and the Flyers don't sign any of their UFAs.

Forwards
Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Couturier, Read, Bellemare, VandeVelde, Umberger (not including Laughton)

Defense
MacDonald, Streit, Del Zotto, Schultz, Ghostisbehere

Goalies
Mason, Neuvirth

That's 58M in salary, remember in the offseason all salary counts. That leaves roughly 13.398M in cap space. Let's say Stamkos takes a discount signs for 10M. That leaves approx. 4M to sign Schenn, Weal, Gudas and Manning. Signing Stamkos would take a hell of a lot more than just moving a minor piece or two, it would take a couple major move like Umberger, MacDonald or Streit completely removed. Plus you have to fill out the rest of the roster and leaves little wiggle room for call-ups.

Can it be done, yes, but a lot of magic has to happen.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Mar 8 @ 1:27 PM ET
St Louis is another team that's better than us and will have more space than us, even after re-signing Schwartz. If they flame out again in the playoffs they'll also be desperate to finally get a real 1C.
- Feanor


They're not keeping Backes?
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Mar 8 @ 1:27 PM ET
WTH seriously?
- nastyflyergirl


You can't make this stuff up lol
orangekrush2010
Location: Its fun to do bad things, MT
Joined: 05.17.2010

Mar 8 @ 1:29 PM ET
I don't think people understand how dramatic a contract like Stamkos would be on any team, especially the Flyers.

This is assuming the cap stays the same, good chance it actually goes down and the Flyers don't sign any of their UFAs.

Forwards
Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Couturier, Read, Bellemare, VandeVelde, Umberger (not including Laughton)

Defense
MacDonald, Streit, Del Zotto, Schultz, Ghostisbehere

Goalies
Mason, Neuvirth

That's 58M in salary, remember in the offseason all salary counts. That leaves roughly 13.398M in cap space. Let's say Stamkos takes a discount signs for 10M. That leaves approx. 4M to sign Schenn, Weal, Gudas and Manning. Signing Stamkos would take a hell of a lot more than just moving a piece or two, it would take a couple major movies like Umberger, MacDonald or Streit completely removed. Plus you have to fill out the rest of the roster and leaves little wiggle room for call-ups.

Can it be done, yes, but a lot of magic has to happen.

- Glak18


Pretty much your last sentence. Just takes some creativity.
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Mar 8 @ 1:29 PM ET
I don't think people understand how dramatic a contract like Stamkos would be on any team, especially the Flyers.

This is assuming the cap stays the same, good chance it actually goes down and the Flyers don't sign any of their UFAs.

Forwards
Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Couturier, Read, Bellemare, VandeVelde, Umberger (not including Laughton)

Defense
MacDonald, Streit, Del Zotto, Schultz, Ghostisbehere

Goalies
Mason, Neuvirth

That's 58M in salary, remember in the offseason all salary counts. That leaves roughly 13.398M in cap space. Let's say Stamkos takes a discount signs for 10M. That leaves approx. 4M to sign Schenn, Weal, Gudas and Manning. Signing Stamkos would take a hell of a lot more than just moving a minor piece or two, it would take a couple major move like Umberger, MacDonald or Streit completely removed. Plus you have to fill out the rest of the roster and leaves little wiggle room for call-ups.

Can it be done, yes, but a lot of magic has to happen.

- Glak18


Good thing Hexy is a wizard
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 8 @ 1:30 PM ET
I don't think people understand how dramatic a contract like Stamkos would be on any team, especially the Flyers.

This is assuming the cap stays the same, good chance it actually goes down and the Flyers don't sign any of their UFAs.

Forwards
Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Couturier, Read, Bellemare, VandeVelde, Umberger (not including Laughton)

Defense
MacDonald, Streit, Del Zotto, Schultz, Ghostisbehere

Goalies
Mason, Neuvirth

That's 58M in salary, remember in the offseason all salary counts. That leaves roughly 13.398M in cap space. Let's say Stamkos takes a discount signs for 10M. That leaves approx. 4M to sign Schenn, Weal, Gudas and Manning. Signing Stamkos would take a hell of a lot more than just moving a minor piece or two, it would take a couple major move like Umberger, MacDonald or Streit completely removed. Plus you have to fill out the rest of the roster and leaves little wiggle room for call-ups.

Can it be done, yes, but a lot of magic has to happen.

- Glak18


There's no way it's happening. Hextall uses a slow and methodical approach based on patience and drafting only to suddenly change his mind and go full Homer.
orangekrush2010
Location: Its fun to do bad things, MT
Joined: 05.17.2010

Mar 8 @ 1:30 PM ET
They're not keeping Backes?
- Streit2ThePoint


Well, if they have the chance to add Stamkos they might let him walk. But I think he'll resign there.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 8 @ 1:31 PM ET
Bleacherreport (yea I know) has the flyers ranked 2nd in NHL prospect pools. Funny thing is they never mentioned myers as legitimate blue line pieces but did mention hagg and alt
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Mar 8 @ 1:32 PM ET
Pretty much your last sentence. Just takes some creativity.
- orangekrush2010


I agree it does, but this also isn't a video game. Other teams will have to want the players moved or get something that benefits them more than the Flyers. I would not be happy to see a draft pick or prospect moved to rid of those pieces.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 8 @ 1:33 PM ET
They're not keeping Backes?
- Streit2ThePoint


They have Backes as Stastny, but neither are true 1Cs, both are good 2Cs.
orangekrush2010
Location: Its fun to do bad things, MT
Joined: 05.17.2010

Mar 8 @ 1:33 PM ET
I agree it does, but this also isn't a video game. Other teams will have to want the players moved or get something that benefits them more than the Flyers. I would not be happy to see a draft pick or prospect moved to rid of those pieces.
- Glak18


well hey, nobody saw the lecavalier trade as possible...
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Mar 8 @ 1:33 PM ET
Bleacherreport (yea I know) has the flyers ranked 2nd in NHL prospect pools. Funny thing is they never mentioned myers as legitimate blue line pieces but did mention hagg and alt
- Just5


Not really relevant, but for some odd reason in NHL16 GM Mode Hagg always turns out as the best defensemen (rating, projection, potential etc) for Flyers prospect. It's weird.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 8 @ 1:33 PM ET
Bleacherreport (yea I know) has the flyers ranked 2nd in NHL prospect pools. Funny thing is they never mentioned myers as legitimate blue line pieces but did mention hagg and alt
- Just5


Why don't you bemoan the lack of mention of Mark Friedman as well?
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Mar 8 @ 1:34 PM ET
There's no way it's happening. Hextall uses a slow and methodical approach based on patience and drafting only to suddenly change his mind and go full Homer.
- PhillySportsGuy


I'm with you. If it does happen it will make the Vinny trade look like trading Giroux for a 2nd rounder.
orangekrush2010
Location: Its fun to do bad things, MT
Joined: 05.17.2010

Mar 8 @ 1:34 PM ET
Not really relevant, but for some odd reason in NHL16 GM Mode Hagg always turns out as the best defensemen (rating, projection, potential etc) for Flyers prospect. It's weird.
- arichardson22


I love it because he has great trade value, and i always trade him.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 8 @ 1:35 PM ET
Not really relevant, but for some odd reason in NHL16 GM Mode Hagg always turns out as the best defensemen (rating, projection, potential etc) for Flyers prospect. It's weird.
- arichardson22


Yeah, but if you fix the game, Ghost and Provorov can both win the Calder and be better.

Edit: Provorov actually tied Panarin in rookie scoring but lost the Calder despite playing 15 less games and being a defenseman. Clear anti-Flyers bias.
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Mar 8 @ 1:35 PM ET
I love it because he has great trade value, and i always trade him.
- orangekrush2010


Hahah I traded him yesterday. decided to start a new one. Boy did I make out fine and dandy in the 2016 season.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 8 @ 1:37 PM ET
Yes, but guys like Schenn and MDZ are now due to be paid. Also, going 1-2 years at a time with young players is risky because you're going to end up paying them a ton later on. They won't be able to work out deals like Simmonds' or Couturier's where they pay a little more up front in order to save big on the back end.
- PhillySportsGuy


and a goalie
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Mar 8 @ 1:38 PM ET
From BSH:
Since February 16th, Philadelphia has the best score-adjusted possession metrics in the entire NHL, and star Jakub Voracek has missed five of the ten games in that span.

SSS
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 8 @ 1:38 PM ET
Why don't you bemoan the lack of mention of Mark Friedman as well?
- jmatchett383


I'm an antisemite I suppose
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 8 @ 1:38 PM ET
and a goalie
- YuenglingJagr


Stolarz and Madsen
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Mar 8 @ 1:40 PM ET
I'm an antisemite I suppose
- Just5


I just don't get your obsession. Yeah, dude's having a great year in the QMJHL. But I don't get why you don't realize that he's not on most people's radar screens right now. After this season when people take the time to break down each prospect, I'm sure he'll get more recognition. I assure you, there is no conspiracy against him.
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