Back reading..people want to Trade and give up assets and spend money for a player worse than stammer when you can keep assets and just spend money..
This is like when drew brees hit the market..doesnt happen often but you DO WHATEVER it takes to sign that FA

If he doesn't re-sign here than the trade is a bust, IMO.

We gave up a bunch of assets for a player who played here for two years and then walked and quite possibly never played a playoff game for the team.

I think he gets a 7 year $49-50MM deal.
- ImThatGuy

we still have him for 2 more years

Back reading..people want to Trade and give up assets and spend money for a player worse than stammer when you can keep assets and just spend money..
This is like when drew brees hit the market..doesnt happen often but you DO WHATEVER it takes to sign that FA
- yen6d1

stamkos will be the best free agent since #99 to hit the market

we still have him for 2 more years
- homiedclown

and why would we give Kane 7 mil a year?

Why would anyone NOT want Steven Stamkos. Unbelievable.

and why would we give Kane 7 mil a year?
- Havic3814

I wanted to be good

stamkos will be the best free agent since #99 to hit the market
- homiedclown

Correct Sir Homie

I wanted to be good
- homiedclown

lol don't be ashamed of who you are

Why would anyone NOT want Steven Stamkos. Unbelievable.
- mhp

Kids these days

I wanted to be good
- homiedclown

Kids these days
- cabin

Probably lol.

I get the pause some have for Drouin but not on Stamkos, go all in.

Probably lol.

I get the pause some have for Drouin but not on Stamkos, go all in.
- mhp

eggzactly.

Don't sign Stammer and wait and wait and hope we get one in the draft. Meanwhile 4 years goes by and we are on here chatting the exact same thing but with diff players.

Been doing that every year since ive' been on here.

stamkos will be the best free agent since #99 to hit the market
- homiedclown

Good point.

Who have been the top FAs the past few years?
Ones i remember:
Statsny
Brad Richards

Sure ........... and you and I are gonna make one phone call tonight and get laid by supermodels.
- fastek

Jagr agrees...

Good point.

Who have been the top FAs the past few years?
Ones i remember:
Statsny
Brad Richards
- yen6d1

That move hasn't turned out the way i thought it would for him. i think he just netted his 9th last night

One thing that wasn't brought up in that 8 pages of Stamkos is the cap will likely go up. In 5 years you'll still be paying 11M, but that doesn't mean it'll hurt as much as 11M today. If you can get him you do whatever you can to take him.

Did we trade 28 for Bobby Orr's non curved stick and a chai latté from Timmy Ho's yet?

That move hasn't turned out the way i thought it would for him. i think he just netted his 9th last night
- Havic3814

he's still a solid player had some injury issues but i agree the money is a little high for him

Why would anyone NOT want Steven Stamkos. Unbelievable.
- mhp

Because it's easier for others to come on here and complain about other teams being good, you go all in on a player like Stamkos.

Morning all,


Glad i missed out on the Stamkos debate round 8
- Havic3814

No worries, I'm here to help, lol

last night, after issuing my usual warning about Stamko's production...I challenged other posters to think about paying $11M when his production continues to decline...focusing on Goals and projecting that his Goals are likely to fall from 40's, to 30's to 20's ... he is currently on pace for 37 this year...down from 42 the year before.

I was called out --what basis do I have to make such a preposterous projection, well the facts speak for themselves...
Season G/Gm A/Gm Pts/Gm
2008-09 0.291 0.291 0.582
2009-10 0.622 0.537 1.159
2010-11 0.549 0.561 1.110
2011-12 0.732 0.451 1.183
2012-13 0.604 0.583 1.188
2013-14 0.676 0.405 1.081
2014-15 0.524 0.354 0.878
2015-16 0.449 0.348 0.797

If I knew how to post a damn Image here I would paste the Excel graph...what you would see is a dropoff of Goals and Assist (therefore Pts) from 2011-12 season.
a sure, steady decline. Does past performance indicate a likelihood in the future. I would say yes...but more so to point out that expecting a return to 50 goals as justification for spending $11M should be considered a high risk.

I would have no issue with going after Okposo if he is not resigned

No worries, I'm here to help, lol

last night, after issuing my usual warning about Stamko's production...I challenged other posters to think about paying $11M when his production continues to decline...focusing on Goals and projecting that his Goals are likely to fall from 40's, to 30's to 20's ... he is currently on pace for 37 this year...down from 42 the year before.

I was called out --what basis do I have to make such a preposterous projection, well the facts speak for themselves...
Season G/Gm A/Gm Pts/Gm
2008-09 0.291 0.291 0.582
2009-10 0.622 0.537 1.159
2010-11 0.549 0.561 1.110
2011-12 0.732 0.451 1.183
2012-13 0.604 0.583 1.188
2013-14 0.676 0.405 1.081
2014-15 0.524 0.354 0.878
2015-16 0.449 0.348 0.797

If I knew how to post a damn Image here I would paste the Excel graph...what you would see is a dropoff of Goals and Assist (therefore Pts) from 2011-12 season.
a sure, steady decline. Does past performance indicate a likelihood in the future. I would say yes...but more so to point out that expecting a return to 50 goals as justification for spending $11M should be considered a high risk.



- IonSabres

I wouldn't. Even if it stayed the same as now. He's still probably going to score 35+ and finish top 5 in goals.

No worries, I'm here to help, lol

last night, after issuing my usual warning about Stamko's production...I challenged other posters to think about paying $11M when his production continues to decline...focusing on Goals and projecting that his Goals are likely to fall from 40's, to 30's to 20's ... he is currently on pace for 37 this year...down from 42 the year before.

I was called out --what basis do I have to make such a preposterous projection, well the facts speak for themselves...
Season G/Gm A/Gm Pts/Gm
2008-09 0.291 0.291 0.582
2009-10 0.622 0.537 1.159
2010-11 0.549 0.561 1.110
2011-12 0.732 0.451 1.183
2012-13 0.604 0.583 1.188
2013-14 0.676 0.405 1.081
2014-15 0.524 0.354 0.878
2015-16 0.449 0.348 0.797

If I knew how to post a damn Image here I would paste the Excel graph...what you would see is a dropoff of Goals and Assist (therefore Pts) from 2011-12 season.
a sure, steady decline. Does past performance indicate a likelihood in the future. I would say yes...but more so to point out that expecting a return to 50 goals as justification for spending $11M should be considered a high risk.



- IonSabres

No no see... lol I REALLY was glad i missed it.

No worries, I'm here to help, lol

last night, after issuing my usual warning about Stamko's production...I challenged other posters to think about paying $11M when his production continues to decline...focusing on Goals and projecting that his Goals are likely to fall from 40's, to 30's to 20's ... he is currently on pace for 37 this year...down from 42 the year before.

I was called out --what basis do I have to make such a preposterous projection, well the facts speak for themselves...
Season G/Gm A/Gm Pts/Gm
2008-09 0.291 0.291 0.582
2009-10 0.622 0.537 1.159
2010-11 0.549 0.561 1.110
2011-12 0.732 0.451 1.183
2012-13 0.604 0.583 1.188
2013-14 0.676 0.405 1.081
2014-15 0.524 0.354 0.878
2015-16 0.449 0.348 0.797

If I knew how to post a damn Image here I would paste the Excel graph...what you would see is a dropoff of Goals and Assist (therefore Pts) from 2011-12 season.
a sure, steady decline. Does past performance indicate a likelihood in the future. I would say yes...but more so to point out that expecting a return to 50 goals as justification for spending $11M should be considered a high risk.



- IonSabres

It comes down to what do you think will help your team more. Stamkos, or 2-3 mid range players. The talk about the pick this year that was done before is irrelevant because they're not exclusive. You can get Stamkos and a draft pick and let the pick play in the minors or on a lower line. So, for me, I'd rather take Stamkos.

Stamkos' Salary will be 11M which, according to General Fanager, will put the Sabres at 57M with 10F/4D/1G. With the Salary cap expected to go up ~3 Million, that leaves 19 Million for 2-3 forwards, 2-3 defensemen, and a backup goaltender, about 2.7/player if you want to look at it that way. Risto will take 5-6 so now you're at 13. Other RFAs that need to be paid are McCabe, Foligno, Girgensons, Larrson, and D-lo. None of those project to be more than 2-3M.

If cap space is still too tight trading Tyler Ennis (4.6 Million) is an option as well. Brian Gionta (4.25 Million) is also off the cap after next year. Jack and Sam are signed to ELCs for 2 more years, and are RFAs for 6 more after this I believe (RFA status is the one that always gets me) which is just about the length of the proposed Stamkos deal. They can be here for cheap while we are able to pay 91.

Lastly, the cap should continue to rise. If the cap rose with the Canadian dollar as low as it has been (.76 to $1) I don't expect it to stop anytime soon. Even if it goes up by an average of 1M per year it affects the relative cost of the deal. From 14.47% of the cap in year 1 (at the reported 76M) to 13.4% in year 7 (82M). I look at Crosby's deal, Ovechkin's deal, and right now they don't look bad for the players they're getting. At the time they were huge deals and huge salaries and now Kane and Towes have larger deals and even Subban is being paid more than Crosby.

Tl;dr is we can have Stamkos and it won't completely hogtie us. He's the type of player you spend the money on and can become a better team overnight.

Tl;dr is we can have Stamkos and it won't completely hogtie us. He's the type of player you spend the money on and can become a better team overnight.
- Zschalberg

And we will have a player thats better than ROR. Along with our home grown players. I think it would put us in the best spot to be a contender than we have ever been.