Matt Henderson: G72 Oilers vs Predators: Defensive Prospects Stretched Thin

NHL GMs here in Boca Raton anticipate talking about limiting the number of times a team can pick No. 1 overall in a given stretch of years mostly because of number of top picks Oilers have recently had. Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli understands the frustration: "It's not an unreasonable thing in light of us winning the lottery last year. If we didn't win the lottery last year, but were the fourth pick, would it have come up again? I don't know."

NHL GMs here in Boca Raton anticipate talking about limiting the number of times a team can pick No. 1 overall in a given stretch of years mostly because of number of top picks Oilers have recently had. Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli understands the frustration: "It's not an unreasonable thing in light of us winning the lottery last year. If we didn't win the lottery last year, but were the fourth pick, would it have come up again? I don't know."
- Gerk

Cool.

3rd suck it trolls.

NHL GMs here in Boca Raton anticipate talking about limiting the number of times a team can pick No. 1 overall in a given stretch of years mostly because of number of top picks Oilers have recently had. Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli understands the frustration: "It's not an unreasonable thing in light of us winning the lottery last year. If we didn't win the lottery last year, but were the fourth pick, would it have come up again? I don't know."
- Gerk

I'm interested in seeing where this talk goes before I write about it. Initial thought is that NHL GM's are reacting to a situation they created. They made it easier for the Oilers to win the McDavid lotto bc they knee-jerked to them improbably picking 1st 3 years in a row. The odds of Edmonton or any team replicating that success from a random draw is incredibly unlikely as it is.

I'm interested in seeing where this talk goes before I write about it. Initial thought is that NHL GM's are reacting to a situation they created. They made it easier for the Oilers to win the McDavid lotto bc they knee-jerked to them improbably picking 1st 3 years in a row. The odds of Edmonton or any team replicating that success from a random draw is incredibly unlikely as it is.
- Matt_Henderson

They will change it to "only playoff teams can win the lotto" by the time we are a playoff team and will win it again

NHL GMs here in Boca Raton anticipate talking about limiting the number of times a team can pick No. 1 overall in a given stretch of years mostly because of number of top picks Oilers have recently had. Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli understands the frustration: "It's not an unreasonable thing in light of us winning the lottery last year. If we didn't win the lottery last year, but were the fourth pick, would it have come up again? I don't know."
- Gerk

Just a couple whiny gms (Armstrong among them) and it will go no where. With the rules in effect this year the odds of even the worst teams picking top 3 is greatly reduced. The leafs as last place team have less than 50% chance of any of the top 3 picks.

Just a couple whiny gms (Armstrong among them) and it will go no where. With the rules in effect this year the odds of even the worst teams picking top 3 is greatly reduced. The leafs as last place team have less than 50% chance of any of the top 3 picks.
- Iggysbff

Which isn't right at all, say the Oilers draft 1st, 3rd, 5th like the Blackhawks did with Kane , Toews and the bust that was Cam Bakers is it still a problem?

Look at the Pens, Fleury was 1st over all, Malkin 2nd over all Crosby first overall don't see anyone complaining about that.

This will be the year the draft is fixed for Matthews to end up in Arizona and save that franchise with their home grown marque player they can sell the fans there.

Yakupov aside Hall, RNH isn't unreasonable to draft back to back. Thank God Mcdavid is in Canada. someone at that GM meeting should explain how Taylor Hall should have turned around that franchise?

Which isn't right at all, say the Oilers draft 1st, 3rd, 5th like the Blackhawks did with Kane , Toews and the bust that was Cam Bakers is it still a problem?

Look at the Pens, Fleury was 1st over all, Malkin 2nd over all Crosby first overall don't see anyone complaining about that.

This will be the year the draft is fixed for Matthews to end up in Arizona and save that franchise with their home grown marque player they can sell the fans there.

Yakupov aside Hall, RNH isn't unreasonable to draft back to back. Thank God Mcdavid is in Canada. someone at that GM meeting should explain how Taylor Hall should have turned around that franchise?
- DinoRondelly

except that getting crosby was a 30 team draw that was not at all based on results, so they had a 1st overall and a 2nd overall based on where they finished.

surely you can't think that a team picking first 4 times in 6 years equates to any sort of fairness. i don't even care that it's the oilers. the idea that one team can be gifted that much talent is ridiculous. nobody is taking mcdavid away from you guys, we promise. but going forward, things have to change where something like this can't happen again.

except that getting crosby was a 30 team draw that was not at all based on results, so they had a 1st overall and a 2nd overall based on where they finished.

surely you can't think that a team picking first 4 times in 6 years equates to any sort of fairness. i don't even care that it's the oilers. the idea that one team can be gifted that much talent is ridiculous. nobody is taking mcdavid away from you guys, we promise. but going forward, things have to change where something like this can't happen again.
- chester97

It's already been changed. Numerous times. The likelyhood of it happening again is extremely remote.

except that getting crosby was a 30 team draw that was not at all based on results, so they had a 1st overall and a 2nd overall based on where they finished.

surely you can't think that a team picking first 4 times in 6 years equates to any sort of fairness. i don't even care that it's the oilers. the idea that one team can be gifted that much talent is ridiculous. nobody is taking mcdavid away from you guys, we promise. but going forward, things have to change where something like this can't happen again.
- chester97

It's a Lottery, it is completely fair, thats the point of a lottery.. It's all random chance. If the Oilers finished dead last every year and 1st pick just went to last place you would have an arguement of "fairness"

except that getting crosby was a 30 team draw that was not at all based on results, so they had a 1st overall and a 2nd overall based on where they finished.

surely you can't think that a team picking first 4 times in 6 years equates to any sort of fairness. i don't even care that it's the oilers. the idea that one team can be gifted that much talent is ridiculous. nobody is taking mcdavid away from you guys, we promise. but going forward, things have to change where something like this can't happen again.
- chester97

I am a Flames fan that is just happy McDavid is up the road that's all. As for the Crosby draft it was weighted based on finishes the year before the lock out the Pens had a huge advantage to win it.

Hall - How could you expect him to improve this team and get them out of the basement?

RNH - Didn't even play of full year before he went down injured how was he supposed to drag them out of the basement?

Yak - bust flat out was a bad pick in a draft that looks like it was loaded with Dman now.

McDavid - They won a lottery and werent the worst team in the league.

This year McDavid, RNH and Eberle all missed lots of time so of course they are going to be awful.

It's a Lottery, it is completely fair, thats the point of a lottery.. It's all random chance. If the Oilers finished dead last every year and 1st pick just went to last place you would have an arguement of "fairness"
- Oilfan19

This. 1000 times this.

It's not like the Oilers rigged the lottery.

I am a Flames fan that is just happy McDavid is up the road that's all. As for the Crosby draft it was weighted based on finishes the year before the lock out the Pens had a huge advantage to win it.

Hall - How could you expect him to improve this team and get them out of the basement?

RNH - Didn't even play of full year before he went down injured how was he supposed to drag them out of the basement?

Yak - bust flat out was a bad pick in a draft that looks like it was loaded with Dman now.

McDavid - They won a lottery and werent the worst team in the league.

This year McDavid, RNH and Eberle all missed lots of time so of course they are going to be awful.
- DinoRondelly

Yaks one we also won the lotto, we were slated to pick second. Also Katz pressured management to pick yaks cause he wanted more excitement and more...losing? idk

I am a Flames fan that is just happy McDavid is up the road that's all. As for the Crosby draft it was weighted based on finishes the year before the lock out the Pens had a huge advantage to win it.

Hall - How could you expect him to improve this team and get them out of the basement?

RNH - Didn't even play of full year before he went down injured how was he supposed to drag them out of the basement?

Yak - bust flat out was a bad pick in a draft that looks like it was loaded with Dman now.

McDavid - They won a lottery and werent the worst team in the league.

This year McDavid, RNH and Eberle all missed lots of time so of course they are going to be awful.
- DinoRondelly

there were 4 teams with 3 lotto balls each in the 2005 draft lottery, the majority of teams had 2, and a handful of teams had 1 ball. the pens had a 5% chance of getting the first pick. please define "huge advantage".

This. 1000 times this.

It's not like the Oilers rigged the lottery.
- Matt_Henderson

nobody said they rigged the lottery. as i said, calm down, nobody wants to take away your #1's. the idea going forward that has been put around is that a team that gets the first pick in a year is not eligible for it the following year.

they got lucky in the system that tried to stop it from constantly being rewarded for futility. doesn't mean you stop trying to tweak the system just because they got lucky. also doesn't mean you throw your hands up and say "oh well, probably won't happen again". if the core draft is not like the nfl where it is directly reflective of reverse standings, then changing things so that one team is not "lucky" enough to have a massive competitive advantage is beneficial for the league.

nobody said they rigged the lottery. as i said, calm down, nobody wants to take away your #1's. the idea going forward that has been put around is that a team that gets the first pick in a year is not eligible for it the following year.

they got lucky in the system that tried to stop it from constantly being rewarded for futility. doesn't mean you stop trying to tweak the system just because they got lucky. also doesn't mean you throw your hands up and say "oh well, probably won't happen again". if the core draft is not like the nfl where it is directly reflective of reverse standings, then changing things so that one team is not "lucky" enough to have a massive competitive advantage is beneficial for the league.
- chester97

Make it reverse order then have the bottom 4 teams have a "memorial cup" style tournament after the season for the first 4 picks, Winner of the tourny gets #1 and so on.

nobody said they rigged the lottery. as i said, calm down, nobody wants to take away your #1's. the idea going forward that has been put around is that a team that gets the first pick in a year is not eligible for it the following year.

they got lucky in the system that tried to stop it from constantly being rewarded for futility. doesn't mean you stop trying to tweak the system just because they got lucky. also doesn't mean you throw your hands up and say "oh well, probably won't happen again". if the core draft is not like the nfl where it is directly reflective of reverse standings, then changing things so that one team is not "lucky" enough to have a massive competitive advantage is beneficial for the league.
- chester97

The system this year is different than in the past. Teams have less of a chance of winning a top 3 pick. You want to change the system that has not even been tried yet?

The system this year is different than in the past. Teams have less of a chance of winning a top 3 pick. You want to change the system that has not even been tried yet?
- Iggysbff

if the oilers finish in 3rd last, and get lucky and win the lottery, do you not think that it will change again? the idea is not to give a team a smaller chance at winning the lottery; it's to get a team that has won the lottery a defined ceiling where they can pick the following year, or scrapping all of it, going to straight reverse standings, and accepting the teams that tank like the sabres and leafs.

and this has been tried. last year. yes, it was only the first two picks instead of the first 3, but does that matter? there is a defined limit to how much you can drop, and anybody can move up. it's the exact same thing.

Make it reverse order then have the bottom 4 teams have a "memorial cup" style tournament after the season for the first 4 picks, Winner of the tourny gets #1 and so on.
- Oilfan19

that would be a lot of fun, but is obviously never going to happen with the nhlpa and all the things that would get in the way of it.

As an Oiler fan, I hope they change the system. Surely (or at least I sure hope) the Oilers will begin to climb in the standings. Any change now should help the Oilers as they climb. I would laugh if the Oilers finished 15 and won it, just to stick it to the whiners.

if the oilers finish in 3rd last, and get lucky and win the lottery, do you not think that it will change again? the idea is not to give a team a smaller chance at winning the lottery; it's to get a team that has won the lottery a defined ceiling where they can pick the following year, or scrapping all of it, going to straight reverse standings, and accepting the teams that tank like the sabres and leafs.

and this has been tried. last year. yes, it was only the first two picks instead of the first 3, but does that matter? there is a defined limit to how much you can drop, and anybody can move up. it's the exact same thing.
- chester97

Just rig it then. The whole point is it gives everyone that missed the playoffs a chance. Rig it so we cant win it. Then quit whining.

except that getting crosby was a 30 team draw that was not at all based on results, so they had a 1st overall and a 2nd overall based on where they finished.

surely you can't think that a team picking first 4 times in 6 years equates to any sort of fairness. i don't even care that it's the oilers. the idea that one team can be gifted that much talent is ridiculous. nobody is taking mcdavid away from you guys, we promise. but going forward, things have to change where something like this can't happen again.
- chester97

Um he's a Flames fan as well as the fact the Crosby draft was weighted on the results of the team in the season prior to the lockout. Try reading the posts, and taking at least 5 minutes to think over what you just read before responding.

Make it reverse order then have the bottom 4 teams have a "memorial cup" style tournament after the season for the first 4 picks, Winner of the tourny gets #1 and so on.
- Oilfan19

hah If I were a player: not sure I'd compete that hard if I had a contract year coming up and the prize for winning a few games is a hot shot getting all your powerplay minutes the next season.

2 of the 4 oilers 1st round picks are bc of the NHL lottery system, its not their fault that they won them in those seasons.

If the NHL wants to change their own system since its broken, and not the NHL wants to stop the Oilers from getting 1st round picks, people need to realize that. If they dint win any of those lotteries, its no different than a lot of rebuilding franchises having multiple Top 5 picks in a 5 year window. Without the Lottery wins, they would have very similar top picks like the Panthers did for a similar period of time, but no one rips on the Panthers for tanking, etc,

Granted they are good now after a similar time of top picks, eventually it all comes together for a team