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DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Mar 16 @ 4:14 PM ET
Tomorrow??
- Iggysbff


finally! I was getting worried that you were turning soft like Jero
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Mar 16 @ 4:16 PM ET
finally! I was getting worried that you were turning soft like Jero
- DDM-Coga


Supposed to be Friday but I'm taking a customer for stuffed burgers at Naina's tomorrow....girl doesn't know.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Mar 16 @ 4:18 PM ET
Supposed to be Friday but I'm taking a customer for stuffed burgers at Naina's tomorrow....girl doesn't know.
- Iggysbff


I havent been there in a long time, that place is awesome. Ever go to that Blackfoot Truck stop Diner? Greasy Good and Cheap.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Mar 16 @ 4:20 PM ET
I havent been there in a long time, that place is awesome. Ever go to that Blackfoot Truck stop Diner? Greasy Good and Cheap.
- DDM-Coga

No never been. Wasn't that a husky house at one time?
Lemmewinks
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.05.2015

Mar 16 @ 4:21 PM ET
Failed to mention you can also decide to just protect 8 skaters total.
Lemmewinks
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.05.2015

Mar 16 @ 4:27 PM ET
"Teams under the current framework could protect seven forwards, three defencemen and one goaltender or eight skaters and a goaltender. First and second year pros in any league are automatically exempt as are unsigned draft picks."

The NHL is still deciding whether or not no movement clauses can protect a player as it isn't covered in the CBA. They might even make them automatically count towards your protected player count.
Matt Henderson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 09.20.2013

Mar 16 @ 4:33 PM ET
Failed to mention you can also decide to just protect 8 skaters total.
- Lemmewinks


The 8 skater route has to be for teams with strong defenses. So...Not the Oilers.
time2produce
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Red Deer
Joined: 06.10.2013

Mar 16 @ 4:45 PM ET
Can the Oilers get more than two goals for once? Or more important not let a goal in a minute after we score one. God this team is awful. Will this ever end...... season is done try mc david, Eberle , Leon for a game. Leon on the wing
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Mar 16 @ 4:47 PM ET
The 8 skater route has to be for teams with strong defenses. So...Not the Oilers.
- Matt_Henderson

Unless they acquire Hamonic and another Dman in the offseason then it looks potentially favourable. On an aside, if the draft took place after next year, both Nurse and McDavid would be exempt so you have two more slots to fill up.
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Mar 16 @ 4:48 PM ET
The 8 skater route has to be for teams with strong defenses. So...Not the Oilers.
- Matt_Henderson

Could also mean teams with no defense, so that they can protect 8 forwards............

So maybe a perfect fit for the Oilers.



EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Mar 16 @ 4:48 PM ET
Interesting that you don't have Yakupov on the protected list.
Is it because he won't fit the mold of the team or is it because he doesn't need protection?

Either way, if he isn't protected, I'm pretty sure any new team entering the NHL will want to take a chance on the kid.
stljam
St Louis Blues
Location: St. Louis, MO
Joined: 02.02.2007

Mar 16 @ 4:51 PM ET
Blues have battled similar impact of injuries - at least according to mangameslost.com (3rd vs 1st in biggest impact)
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Mar 16 @ 4:55 PM ET
Blues have battled similar impact of injuries - at least according to mangameslost.com (3rd vs 1st in biggest impact)
- stljam

Hence why what they've done is so impressive despite their goal differential being a lot closer to a bubble team's than an elite team's.
nyrsucks
Florida Panthers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 06.07.2013

Mar 16 @ 4:56 PM ET
Just glanced at the Standings...
What a pathetic team you guys have, sort of like the "Cleveland Browns" of the NHL... Now I know why Connor McDavid looked the way he did when Leafs didnt get the pick but Oilers did.... So sad...feel bad for him.. He will rot there like all the others...
Beergu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: AB
Joined: 08.15.2008

Mar 16 @ 4:56 PM ET
Bah! I missed the NMCs on them. I will update, sir!
- Matt_Henderson


No way that the league agrees to let all the NMC's slide, so some teams have a larger allowable protected list. IMO, it's either NMC must fall on your protected list, or they are free game in the expansion, and that will need to be decided with the NHLPA. No way managers that have been tossing the NMC's around are going to get rewarded for it.
Matt Henderson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 09.20.2013

Mar 16 @ 4:58 PM ET
Unless they acquire Hamonic and another Dman in the offseason then it looks potentially favourable. On an aside, if the draft took place after next year, both Nurse and McDavid would be exempt so you have two more slots to fill up.
- MaximumBone


If it happened after next year then both would be entering year 3 and no longer exempt. That's the interpretation from Pierre LeBrun. He could be wrong but without a more clear explanation from someone else that's why I went with it.

If they dropped the expansion bomb tomorrow that Vegas would be here in 2016-2017 then those two are definitely exempt and Edmonton benefits greatly.
Beergu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: AB
Joined: 08.15.2008

Mar 16 @ 5:03 PM ET
If it happened after next year then both would be entering year 3 and no longer exempt. That's the interpretation from Pierre LeBrun. He could be wrong but without a more clear explanation from someone else that's why I went with it.

If they dropped the expansion bomb tomorrow that Vegas would be here in 2016-2017 then those two are definitely exempt and Edmonton benefits greatly.

- Matt_Henderson


What sucks the most is if this expansion news prevents Chiapet from making a Oilers first pick for a first pair D-man deal before the draft. Would he deal the pick for a D-man he has to protect, bumping someone else off his protected list before the expansion? Or does he roast marshmallows on this dumpster fire and keep the pick until the expansion dust settles.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Mar 16 @ 5:04 PM ET
If it happened after next year then both would be entering year 3 and no longer exempt. That's the interpretation from Pierre LeBrun. He could be wrong but without a more clear explanation from someone else that's why I went with it.

If they dropped the expansion bomb tomorrow that Vegas would be here in 2016-2017 then those two are definitely exempt and Edmonton benefits greatly.

- Matt_Henderson

My understanding was that players with 2 years of pro experience or less were exempt. At that point Nurse and McDavid would be at that threshold.

Daly says prospects plus first- and second-year NHL players will be exempt from a potential expansion draft.


A somewhat vague quote that LeBrun posted but I think that INCLUDES players finished their 2nd year as they won't have started their 3rd pro season.
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Mar 16 @ 5:07 PM ET
If it happened after next year then both would be entering year 3 and no longer exempt. That's the interpretation from Pierre LeBrun. He could be wrong but without a more clear explanation from someone else that's why I went with it.

If they dropped the expansion bomb tomorrow that Vegas would be here in 2016-2017 then those two are definitely exempt and Edmonton benefits greatly.

- Matt_Henderson

I don't think this is correct. They would be considered 2nd year players.

Who would be considered 1st year players under your/LeBrun's scenario? Players who haven't ever touched NHL/AHL ice? It has to be any players who haven't started their 3rd year of pro hockey as being exempt.

McDavid/Nurse will be automatically protected.
Matt Henderson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 09.20.2013

Mar 16 @ 5:24 PM ET
I don't think this is correct. They would be considered 2nd year players.

Who would be considered 1st year players under your/LeBrun's scenario? Players who haven't ever touched NHL/AHL ice? It has to be any players who haven't started their 3rd year of pro hockey as being exempt.

McDavid/Nurse will be automatically protected.

- carcus


This is from LeBrun's article:

First- and second-year pros -- those are players playing pro hockey at any level -- will be exempt from the expansion draft; the bottom line is that if they are signed and playing pro hockey, they're exempt in their first two years. But if they're entering their third year of pro hockey, they're no longer exempt for the expansion draft. Teams would have to either protect them or expose them.


So I guess there would need to be more clarification from the NHL.
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Mar 16 @ 5:27 PM ET
This is from LeBrun's article:



So I guess there would need to be more clarification from the NHL.

- Matt_Henderson

I think he just has this wrong. Who would be considered 1st year players? Guys entering their 1st year? That would mean you are counting junior players who were just drafted or drafted previously but haven't played in the AHL/NHL yet as 1st year players. Who might not play in the NHL yet and still be junior players in many cases.

That doesn't make sense to me at all.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Mar 16 @ 5:30 PM ET
Interesting that you don't have Yakupov on the protected list.
Is it because he won't fit the mold of the team or is it because he doesn't need protection?

Either way, if he isn't protected, I'm pretty sure any new team entering the NHL will want to take a chance on the kid.

- EdmHockeyMan


Likely so. All the more reason to trade him at the draft.
Matt Henderson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 09.20.2013

Mar 16 @ 5:32 PM ET
I think he just has this wrong. Who would be considered 1st year players? Guys entering their 1st year? That would mean you are counting junior players who were just drafted or drafted previously but haven't played in the AHL/NHL yet as 1st year players. Who might not play in the NHL yet and still be junior players in many cases.

That doesn't make sense to me at all.

- carcus


Yeah, there's definitely some weirdness going on there.
Iloveeveryone
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 03.02.2015

Mar 16 @ 5:38 PM ET
(frank) this team sucks! In other news, The Brothers Grimsby is the funniest movie I've ever seen!
Iloveeveryone
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 03.02.2015

Mar 16 @ 5:42 PM ET
So Reinhart unprotected...great use of high picks
- Iggysbff

He hasn't been in the league long enough. He wouldn't need to be protected. Well, as of now anyway. But ya, horrible trade. Bring back MacT
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