Sure, but Granlund is literally the exact same player as Vey. Both somewhat light and small, skilled passers, iffy on face-offs, poor puck skills and ineffective down low, along the boards and on the cycle.

At-least Shink had the skill-set to bring something new/needed to the team, i.e, finishing ability.

Sh!t trade then, sh!t trade now.
Even if both fail to become full-time NHL'ers i still feel as though he lose this trade out of pure necessity
- Whiskey-Tango

Way too early to make that assessment.

Sure, but Granlund is literally the exact same player as Vey. Both somewhat light and small, skilled passers, iffy on face-offs, poor puck skills and ineffective down low, along the boards and on the cycle.

At-least Shink had the skill-set to bring something new/needed to the team, i.e, finishing ability.

Sh!t trade then, sh!t trade now.
Even if both fail to become full-time NHL'ers i still feel as though he lose this trade out of pure necessity
- Whiskey-Tango

If we look at the deal as Baertschi and Granlund for Shinkaruk and a 2nd, I think it still looks like a win.

Until D. Sedin is gone they have room for only one more top six LW. Baertschi looks like that guy right now, but who knows if they plan to sign another UFA for that role. Sven could still be an effective 3rd line LW but it doesn't sound like they believed Hunter could have done the same. So they had no room for him anyway and got a roster asset for him before his value started to decline.

Vey's gone this summer so maybe they play Granlund in the bottom six until they can move him next season for something else, like maybe another D prospect.

Good for you!

Ohhh, in what way?

41% on the draw.
10 pounds lighter than Vey, VEY!
Weak on the puck.
Manhandled every game, both in Van and Cal.
He skates pretty.
Poor possession player.
- Whiskey-Tango

Are you talking about Granlund or shink?
Other then the faceoffs, which shink doesn't do, they are remarkably similar players.
The trade was made because of the Sutter injury.
Trying to shore up the center to get through the year.
I honestly don't think either player is going to be a star.
The move was made for this year and shink wasn't thought
of as being a better option then baertschi and with mcann
moving to matthews left wing the left side was full up.
Also I think it may have been jb giving the flames a reach around for bending over on the Baert trade.
Getting of my ferry.
I'll be back.

Depending on the length of the Keith suspension I wonder if Bowman is regretting not going after Hamhuis harder.

Hindsight is always 20-20, but always funny to ponder this stuff.

Good for you!

Ohhh, in what way?

41% on the draw.
10 pounds lighter than Vey, VEY!
Weak on the puck.
Manhandled every game, both in Van and Cal.
He skates pretty.
Poor possession player.
- Whiskey-Tango

You risk sounding like an idiot when you proclaim we lost the trade because Shink scored 1PP goal! Just looking out for you buddy. Granlund is a lot grittier than Vey and will be his replacement next season. He is a more suitable 3 C

Depending on the length of the Keith suspension I wonder if Bowman is regretting not going after Hamhuis harder.

Hindsight is always 20-20, but always funny to ponder this stuff.
- rugdnit

I suspect that before the playoffs are done, both Dallas and Chicago will regret not making that move.

He's no longer good enough to be re-signed here, but over a short period, as a 5-6 guy and maybe a complementary top 4 once in a while, he was the best upgrade option available.

Depending on the length of the Keith suspension I wonder if Bowman is regretting not going after Hamhuis harder.

Hindsight is always 20-20, but always funny to ponder this stuff.
- rugdnit

Not that they ended up on Hamhuis' list, but Tampa I think was rumoured to liking him too and lost Strahlman to a broken leg. Hamhuis was the perfect insurance to Cup-hopefuls, could play shutdown or slide up into top 4 role if necessary

Not that they ended up on Hamhuis' list, but Tampa I think was rumoured to liking him too and lost Strahlman to a broken leg. Hamhuis was the perfect insurance to Cup-hopefuls, could play shutdown or slide up into top 4 role if necessary
- WhiteLie

For a Cup Run you need a deep stockpile of D-Men. Look how many guys Van were down to in 11- Happens all the time.

You risk sounding like an idiot when you proclaim we lost the trade because Shink scored 1PP goal! Just looking out for you buddy. Granlund is a lot grittier than Vey and will be his replacement next season. He is a more suitable 3 C
- CanuckDon

The fact that Shink scored a goal has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion, as I have stated my beliefs about that particular trade since day one.

My argument is merely that Granlund, as of yet, has demonstrated nothing to prove that's he's an upgrade over the likes of Vey, McCann or even Gaunce.

Meanwhile in Utica, nobody is scoring, the team is struggling to find healthy forwards and the Canucks have lost 9 straight.

The argument that Shinks value would somehow decrease by continuing to put up a point per game in the AHL while most likely being a key playoff performer does not make a whole heck of a lot of sense.

But hey, Benning can do no wrong right?

lets find a new topic other than Shink VS Granlund lol.

5-2 sharks win tonight.

The fact that Shink scored a goal has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion, as I have stated my beliefs about that particular trade since day one.

My argument is merely that Granlund, as of yet, has demonstrated nothing to prove that's he's an upgrade over the likes of Vey, McCann or even Gaunce.

Meanwhile in Utica, nobody is scoring, the team is struggling to find healthy forwards and the Canucks have lost 9 straight.

The argument that Shinks value would somehow decrease by continuing to put up a point per game in the AHL while most likely being a key playoff performer does not make a whole heck of a lot of sense.

But hey, Benning can do no wrong right?
- Whiskey-Tango

My original opinion of this trade was that Benning was being safe, getting a player that could service the bottom 6 forward lines with near certainty, while giving up a high risk-high reward player in return. Watching Granlund play before his injury with JV and Sven showed some better offensive upside than Vey, McCann and Gaunce IMO. Small sample size, but I think he has shown himself capable. Long term I expect McCann to surpass him, but I dont think Granlund is quite the slug youre suggesting

lets find a new topic other than Shink VS Granlund lol.

5-2 sharks win tonight.
- Codes1087

Jensen vs Etem. Go.

I've been trying that for years with zero (frank)ing luck...
- lumlums

Good call on the Vert suspension. I agreed with your assessment of the hit yesterday.

I get the need to defend Benning and the team and all but, the odds are in Shink's favor that he out-performs Granlund.

pure and simple.
- Whiskey-Tango

In which league? Granlund is a NHL regular an Shink is not.

Sure, but Granlund is literally the exact same player as Vey. Both somewhat light and small, skilled passers, iffy on face-offs, poor puck skills and ineffective down low, along the boards and on the cycle.

At-least Shink had the skill-set to bring something new/needed to the team, i.e, finishing ability.

Sh!t trade then, sh!t trade now.
Even if both fail to become full-time NHL'ers i still feel as though he lose this trade out of pure necessity
- Whiskey-Tango

Really? If that is the case then why did Granlund outperform Shink in the AHL?

Hopefully so.

Banking on (frank)ing Anton- subsequent bust-Rodin is a little sketchy IMO lol.
- Whiskey-Tango

But you bank on shinkaruk?

lets find a new topic other than Shink VS Granlund lol.

5-2 sharks win tonight.
- Codes1087

we gonna see big Tram tonight or is he still all banged up? I really wanna see more of him planted in front of the net on the PP

In which league? Granlund is a NHL regular an Shink is not.
- boonerbuck

I'd like to see more of Shink in the NHL before declaring him a better NHL player.

Too early to say we won or lost that trade.

The fact that Shink scored a goal has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion, as I have stated my beliefs about that particular trade since day one.

My argument is merely that Granlund, as of yet, has demonstrated nothing to prove that's he's an upgrade over the likes of Vey, McCann or even Gaunce.

Meanwhile in Utica, nobody is scoring, the team is struggling to find healthy forwards and the Canucks have lost 9 straight.

The argument that Shinks value would somehow decrease by continuing to put up a point per game in the AHL while most likely being a key playoff performer does not make a whole heck of a lot of sense.

But hey, Benning can do no wrong right?
- Whiskey-Tango

Shink was a big part of Utica, but until he plays a full season in the NHL and puts up an okay amount of points I wont label the trade as a failure. We got an NHL player for the tank in exchange for a prospect our GM never had any intention on calling up. Shinkaruk would have never gotten any ice time here. Sucks though, I dont believe Benning should be picky about where his secondary scoring comes from.

The fact that Shink scored a goal has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion, as I have stated my beliefs about that particular trade since day one.

My argument is merely that Granlund, as of yet, has demonstrated nothing to prove that's he's an upgrade over the likes of Vey, McCann or even Gaunce.

Meanwhile in Utica, nobody is scoring, the team is struggling to find healthy forwards and the Canucks have lost 9 straight.

The argument that Shinks value would somehow decrease by continuing to put up a point per game in the AHL while most likely being a key playoff performer does not make a whole heck of a lot of sense.

But hey, Benning can do no wrong right?
- Whiskey-Tango

Hard to do when you are injured.

You bring up Shinks AHL numbers... but Granlund was better down there... give it a rest.

Jensen vs Etem. Go.
- Marwood

lol

lets find a new topic other than Shink VS Granlund lol.

5-2 sharks win tonight.
- Codes1087

I like it.

#tanknation.

lets find a new topic other than Shink VS Granlund lol.

5-2 sharks win tonight.
- Codes1087

Is it possible to get three Bartkowski's for one Edler...


Discuss

But you bank on shinkaruk?

- boonerbuck

As opposed to Rodin?
Yes, yes i would.

Rodin previously busted out of the AHL, remember?

So with Bernier stealing games lately, and Oilers picking it up, the Canucks might actually get the 1OA. If you pick Matthews, which center do you move to wing? I would love to see our top 9 like this:

Dank-Hank-Sutter
Baertschi-Horvat-Hansen
Gaunce-Matthews-Virtanen

Send McCann down? It's a good problem to have.