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A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Mar 30 @ 7:04 PM ET
McSorely got 23 games for intentionally swinging his stick at the head. This is Keith's multiple time targeting players head with sticks and elbows.

There is a major action being taken against the NHL and NFL that will run into the hundreds of millions. It is time to take this POS out of the game. I think he should be given a 25 game suspension playoffs included .

- VANTEL

Mcsorley's suspension was extended to a full season.

Keith will get 8 games
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 30 @ 7:11 PM ET
Mcsorley's suspension was extended to a full season.

Keith will get 8 games

- A_SteamingLombardi



If I am one of those guys suing the NHL I would take videos of Keith with his elbow to Daniels head and this one here and the other one that he used his stick and tell the courts look at these vicious acts to the head and repeat offenders get minimal punishment. Ask the court is this how you protect the player? This is Keith's 3 rd or 4 th time targeting the head in revenge. 8 games is squat.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Mar 30 @ 7:12 PM ET
Ill agree with old timer that these hits happen constantly and there was no offense other than it was late.

its amazing how some teams get all the breaks for their players.

- SMBDragon


We have seen other players from other teams recently get similar suspensions for similar hits.

Boll got 4 games and his history was considered

Talbot got 2....

Jake deserved a suspension, and the league has been pretty clear they are going to suspend players who hit guys in a vulnerable (blindside) positions.

I'm sure there are a lot of cases where player x didn't get suspended for a similar act and the league is brutal with its consistency but that doesn't change the fact that this was a suspend-able offence.

I'm sure Jake knew this as well and confident he will move on and learn from it.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Mar 30 @ 7:14 PM ET
Like many here i've watched the NHL for decades.

The game has gone from rough & rugged to bigger & faster & reckless.
No accountability & a disregard for each other is obvious.
What i see is needed is players should all be notified that many incidents could be avoided with smarter play. By this i mean players think turning their back or putting themselves in a compromising positions is not smart & they should not be unhittable & protected by teammates or the league. Vetting tired of watching a clean bit means a player usually has to fight to defend it. That culture is where the problem lies. The league to address that & teach players.
Idc in what era the game is played anyone & everyone knows to be ready to take a hit & a player eg like Polak should be most aware. He is not perimeter player or offensive D man n plays aggressive to be in the league. He plays tough & mean & clean but be cannot be as stupid being unaware as the hit by JV showed. Still it was suspendable if ghe NHL is truthful. In Keiths case incidents like this has gone for decades & never was acceptable. Wayne Maki on Tim Horton, McSorley on Brashear. In RL Meiths a tion would be assault & that says it all.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Mar 30 @ 7:23 PM ET
Sedins throwing the kids to the wolves yet again. I get they are leaders, but they should be saying this in the Locker room, not the media. If they want the team to work harder, they have to look no further than their Captain/Alternate who cant put a puck in a net. Bothered me that the Sedins have anything negative to say about these kids publicly, because they certainly arent carrying their end.
- Crazybagoham


How is it throwing the kids to the wolves by telling the truth? It was a late blindside hit.

Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Mar 30 @ 7:26 PM ET
How is it throwing the kids to the wolves by telling the truth? It was a late blindside hit.
- belcherbd


It was an honest answer is all & nothing more.
Refreshing rathr than the rehearsed BS we usually hear from players.
Bring back the Roenicks pls 😂😂
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Mar 30 @ 7:28 PM ET
It was an honest answer is all & nothing more.
Refreshing rathr than the rehearsed BS we usually hear from players.
Bring back the Roenicks pls 😂😂

- Nighthawk


Exactly.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 30 @ 7:28 PM ET
We have seen other players from other teams recently get similar suspensions for similar hits.

Boll got 4 games and his history was considered

Talbot got 2....

Jake deserved a suspension, and the league has been pretty clear they are going to suspend players who hit guys in a vulnerable (blindside) positions.

I'm sure there are a lot of cases where player x didn't get suspended for a similar act and the league is brutal with its consistency but that doesn't change the fact that this was a suspend-able offence.

I'm sure Jake knew this as well and confident he will move on and learn from it.

- belcherbd



Maybe for the first time ever we agree. Blindside late hit , 2 games. You just hope for the NHL to consistent. Every time there is an incident they spin the Wheel of Misfortune and see what the punishment lands on.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Mar 30 @ 7:28 PM ET
If I am one of those guys suing the NHL I would take videos of Keith with his elbow to Daniels head and this one here and the other one that he used his stick and tell the courts look at these vicious acts to the head and repeat offenders get minimal punishment. Ask the court is this how you protect the player? This is Keith's 3 rd or 4 th time targeting the head in revenge. 8 games is squat.
- VANTEL

Maybe these players should stop suing the league and start suing each other.
YeOldTimer
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Mar 30 @ 7:28 PM ET
Well JV got his punishment handed down fast for 1st time offender.
Maybe a lil harsh or maybe bang on but fair prolly.

Keith gets an automatic 1 game for his match penalty.
So i see more time is taken for his punishment.
Either late tonight or early tomorrow i expect he gets suspended.
His previous record of cheap shots should get him a severe penalty irregardless of the playoffs but the DPS is like FIFA.
Will the NHL have ballz or another bizarre ruling?
Rome got the harshest PO suspension ever last tme a player admired a pass n JV gets 2 games for a cleaner albeit late blindside hit.
Keith who believes himself royalty & is untouchable for hits in his mind & always resorts to headshots or stickwork gets minimum punishment so does he finally receive real justice?

Maybe Keith should stand up n fight for a change like Cherry says 1 fight in 5 years says Keith is a coward.

Tune in to As the Worm turns.....

- Nighthawk


And now any other incident that's even close to an infraction will be viewed differently simply because..."he's a repeat offender". Gives them latitude to be even more wrong than this in future
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Mar 30 @ 7:31 PM ET
"“I’m 58 and I’ve got some issues, for sure, but I’m generally okay,” Maxwell said."

Quote from one of the guys in the concussion lawsuit on a recent TSN story. I really wish the money grab guys would just go away

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/...ncussion-lawsuit-1.461816

- WhiteLie



Here is the rest of the quote that certainly doesn't make it sound like he is out for a "money grab".

“I wish the NHL would just take another look. There are only 4,000 or 5,000 former NHL players who are still alive. It’s not that big a deal. They’re going to spend millions and millions and millions to fight this. They should just do the right thing. They could stand up and say, ‘we’re not acknowledging anything but we’re gonna help. We’re going to take care of the players.’ What a classy thing that would be.”
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 30 @ 7:32 PM ET
Maybe these players should stop suing the league and start suing each other.
- A_SteamingLombardi



If you could prove the concussion was from that hit, but I think it is a very interesting discussion.

Bertuzzi had a lawsuit against him and Brashear took legal action against McSorely.

It does mean you will never play another NHL game though
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Mar 30 @ 7:34 PM ET
Maybe for the first time ever we agree. Blindside late hit , 2 games. You just hope for the NHL to consistent. Every time there is an incident they spin the Wheel of Misfortune and see what the punishment lands on.
- VANTEL


Yup, there is definitely an issue with the NHL's consistency with discipline but that doesn't take away that they got this one right IMO, although I was thinking 1 game.

Hopefully they can get 2 right and actually throw the book at Keith.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 30 @ 7:44 PM ET
Yup, there is definitely an issue with the NHL's consistency with discipline but that doesn't take away that they got this one right IMO, although I was thinking 1 game.

Hopefully they can get 2 right and actually throw the book at Keith.

- belcherbd

They got JV right.

The problem is if they give Keith 5-8 games the next time they play again Coyle knows the penalty for stick to the face is 8 games max. I would be sending Keith to visit his dentist.
YeOldTimer
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Mar 30 @ 7:47 PM ET
Maybe for the first time ever we agree. Blindside late hit , 2 games. You just hope for the NHL to consistent. Every time there is an incident they spin the Wheel of Misfortune and see what the punishment lands on.
- VANTEL



The key word you used above was spin. That's all this department does. Come up with bull$hit justifications for suspensions and penalties. It's all complete nonsense.

It was a blindside hit.
ok, so is every blind side hit now a suspendable offense regardless of whether or not the other player is injured?

This one was Burns catching Sedin from behind and basically punching his shoulder causing him to be knocked to the ice. Not open ice and and as late as Virtanen's hit, but it's certainly similar in the angle he took to hit Sedin. No penalty on the play. http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...n-forces-him-out-of-game/

It was late.
ok, so why do many late hits that occur on a nightly basis not even warrant a minor penalty? (Too many examples to even bother posting a link.)

Basically they take each isolated situation that appears to be dangerous and come up with some rationale for whatever random penalty they decide to assign. They produce fancy videos with cool graphics to make it seem serious and important, but everyone in hockey knows there's absolutely zero consistency or common sense involved.

Until officiating and discipline is handled by an independent body not directly reporting to the puppet master, the league will continue to struggle with credibility and their best supporters will eventually abandon them.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 30 @ 8:09 PM ET
The key word you used above was spin. That's all this department does. Come up with bull$hit justifications for suspensions and penalties. It's all complete nonsense.

It was a blindside hit.
ok, so is every blind side hit now a suspendable offense regardless of whether or not the other player is injured?

This one was Burns catching Sedin from behind and basically punching his shoulder causing him to be knocked to the ice. Not open ice and and as late as Virtanen's hit, but it's certainly similar in the angle he took to hit Sedin. No penalty on the play. http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...n-forces-him-out-of-game/

It was late. X
ok, so why do many late hits that occur on a nightly basis not even warrant a minor penalty? (Too many examples to even bother posting a link.)

Basically they take each isolated situation that appears to be dangerous and come up with some rationale for whatever random penalty they decide to assign. They produce fancy videos with cool graphics to make it seem serious and important, but everyone in hockey knows there's absolutely zero consistency or common sense involved.

Until officiating and discipline is handled by an independent body not directly reporting to the puppet master, the league will continue to struggle with credibility and their best supporters will eventually abandon them.

- YeOldTimer



NHL credible
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Mar 30 @ 8:16 PM ET
NHL credible
- VANTEL

As credible as WWE
rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Mar 30 @ 8:21 PM ET
Your are right, it is called differently. there was more responsibility on the player being hit as opposed to the hitter, back in the day. don't put yourself in a vulnerable position was often preached. now guys turn their backs when they are going to get hit, maybe some of that is trying to spin off the hit or slip away... (the hit on Sbisa posted earlier).

I still find it surprising that Polak looked oblivious to JV. A fine or a one game suspension would have been sufficient. just curious to see if this is a new trend for a first time offender or just more inconsistency from the league.

- hillbillydeluxe


Have you watched the Sharks for the last 2 weeks?

Polak has taken an absolute BEATING.
rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Mar 30 @ 8:24 PM ET
I have a hard time with people getting all worked up about shoulder to shoulder hits that have been part of the game for the past hundred plus years. Coaches teach kids to be aware of what's going on around them and not let their guard down so they become vulnerable.

Yes it was a crappy, late hit and Virtanen deserved a penalty. A two game suspension on top of the 5 and a game he got is way too excessive. Not many here are defending Virtanen, just outraged at what a gong show the NHL Player Safety dept is.

- YeOldTimer


They are extremely inconsistent at best and seem to side with star players for sure.

Nothing new here.

Move Along.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Mar 30 @ 8:29 PM ET
They are extremely inconsistent at best and seem to side with star players for sure.

Nothing new here.

Move Along.

- rugdnit

Polak isn't a star palyer
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Mar 30 @ 8:30 PM ET
Polak isn't a star palyer
- A_SteamingLombardi


He was a... forget it...
rugdnit
Location: Flagged and Ignored, CA
Joined: 11.29.2006

Mar 30 @ 8:30 PM ET
Polak isn't a star palyer
- A_SteamingLombardi


I wasn't referring to Polak as a star " palyer "

I was referring to how different the NHL treats certain players in terms of discipline.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Mar 30 @ 8:31 PM ET
Have you watched the Sharks for the last 2 weeks?

Polak has taken an absolute BEATING.

- rugdnit


He is a defensive D man only n who expects otherwise?
So what he has taken a beating he is not alone in that area. Lol
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Mar 30 @ 8:35 PM ET
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Mar 30 @ 8:48 PM ET
And now any other incident that's even close to an infraction will be viewed differently simply because..."he's a repeat offender". Gives them latitude to be even more wrong than this in future
- YeOldTimer

Ya that's unfortunate for JV. The only problem here is being a late hit, nothing more. No other infraction. 1 game or even a stern talking to is probably more in line. No injury either. Youre right, he would be a repeat offender if any type of hit occurs in his career. It'll be magnified to ridiculous proportions. This is where we miss shanahan and his inside perspective.

2 games isnt too bad. However this isnt the type of hit the nhl should be worrying about. Torres keith etc those are types of hits they do need to clamping down on.

recognize its a late hit, consider his age and that no other infraction occurred and issue a warning that stays on record. Clamp down on more dangerous hits that are the injury type. Isnt the timing of a hit usually only considered when there's another infraction involved? Cant recall any suspensions involving only a hit being late.
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