I could be wrong but Tkachuk reminds me of Virtanen
- VANTEL

I think he has better hockey sense and more tenacity. His play the last few months has been incredible.

http://www.hockeysfuture....op-prospects/#more-135267

Interesting some of the changes in the top 10. The top 8 are all real solid prospects

Correct me if I'm wrong, don't assistants like Baumgardner/Lidster coach things like skills: angling/stick/boardwork?
and head coaches more of the break-out, zone entry defensive/offensive scheme in our end 5on5?

when I think of why LA is good it's cause 5 guys play defensively and hard on the puck, not just two guys get it and break it out to the others. Is that Sutter or the assistant? Anyway, you seem to know a it more about coaching, so I thought I'd bring it up.
- neem55

they are all obviously a bit different, which is why there is different results.
W LA, its not just 2 guys doing the breakout, the 3 forwards have to be in position to receive the pass. Its very co-ordinated. THe forwards know where they need to be in order for the D to pass and the D know where to put the pass. THere's 3 pre planned options its just about picking the best option for the situation. So it IS about all 5 players.

Some coaches are X's and O's types where they have strategies, others aren't. The ones who do win cups, those who aren't rarely win in the playoffs despite great seasons and president cups....AV is an example. He couldnt win much until newel was brought in as a strategist, that 1st year he was here we went to the cup. So no, assistants do as well.

D coaches SHOULD (but some dont) be co ordinating with goalie coach to do a few things smoothly. 1. knowing where to place rebounds and where to expect rebound placement for pick up. 2. Knowing what type of shots to let though to goalie (he can easily handle) without screening the goalie and from what angles. For example, Luongo had the lateral angles completely sealed, chicago and boston figured out his weakness was dead center point shot right over the shoulder, so they peppered him that way and loaded up the score. Thats how they blew him out in games 3/4. 3. discuss defending a specific goalies weak areas. AV and Co did nothing to defend that center position. They should have allowed the angle shots loungo is so amazing at defending and protected the center. But no. THats a big piece of the loss. Boston however defends Rasks weak areas which are the sides and angles by positioning players at the sides and allows the center shots through that he is great with.

If indeed the structure of a team is only HC using strategy then WD is failing miserably. Itd be easier to have a D coach using solid D strategy and co ordinating with the goalie coach. We see the past success w NJ using this to great effect. They won 3 cups is what 7 yrs using it. Add a tweaker X's and o's coach at HC. We have neither of these. Look through history, those coaches never win in playoffs, strategists win repeatedly. Coach Q, sutter, Laviolette, carlyle, julien, babcock. All tweaking coaching, all winning cups in 9 of the last 10 years. The other was blysma. So at least 90% of cup winning coaches were tweaker types. Blysma is too but not as good as some of the others. So essentially 100% of all coaches who won the cup in last 10 years are that type. Essentially you cant win without 1.

So why do we have these current coaches who havent got a clue for tweaking games and strategies and get badly schooled by guys like hartley? If we cant win with these guys then why keep them? Move them out now so we can get a system embedded immediately into our building team and growing kids. If we do it now we can get the system instinctually embedded in our team and be ready to challenge for a cup in 2 seasons.

I think he has better hockey sense and more tenacity. His play the last few months has been incredible.

http://www.hockeysfuture....op-prospects/#more-135267

Interesting some of the changes in the top 10. The top 8 are all real solid prospects
- CanuckDon

That's exactly it. We are getting a good player this year

I think he has better hockey sense and more tenacity. His play the last few months has been incredible.

http://www.hockeysfuture....op-prospects/#more-135267

Interesting some of the changes in the top 10. The top 8 are all real solid prospects
- CanuckDon

Brown really intrigues me . He reminds me of Bjugstadt . He has speed size and decent hands

They are my picks too, but if we win 1oa we have to pick Mathews. Sergachev could also help Tree feel more at home
- VANTEL

its hard to say but I think we MAY be better off if we got the 1oa to trade it and somehow try to get #2&3 to take both finns. Essentially the sedins situation all over.
Could be a franchise move.

Might be impossible

but if not if we ended up with say #2 (pick Laine) and a top 10 1st to grab sergachev that'd also be an great situation as well. I think these situations are likely better for the team than mathews would be.

But thats IF we got 1oa

its hard to say but I think we MAY be better off if we got the 1oa to trade it and somehow try to get #2&3 to take both finns. Essentially the sedins situation all over.
Could be a franchise move.

Might be impossible

but if not if we ended up with say #2 (pick Laine) and a top 10 1st to grab sergachev that'd also be an great situation as well. I think these situations are likely better for the team than mathews would be.

But thats IF we got 1oa
- SMBDragon

It's a stretch . I have no idea how anyone could pull it off?

It's a stretch . I have no idea how anyone could pull it off?
- VANTEL

I know....burke did so if he can its possible.

The situation of a #2 (laine) and a top 10 (for sergachev) is much more plausible than #2&3

those players are a slam dunk fit here too. You know laine....we are both salivating over getting him in canucks uniform

Brown really intrigues me . He reminds me of Bjugstadt . He has speed size and decent hands
- VANTEL

I agree....too bad we don't have a second 1st again this year

Perhaps we can trade Edler for a 1st

I agree....too bad we don't have a second 1st again this year

Perhaps we can trade Edler for a 1st
- CanuckDon

Stupid NTC I hate those things

its hard to say but I think we MAY be better off if we got the 1oa to trade it and somehow try to get #2&3 to take both finns. Essentially the sedins situation all over.
Could be a franchise move.

Might be impossible

but if not if we ended up with say #2 (pick Laine) and a top 10 1st to grab sergachev that'd also be an great situation as well. I think these situations are likely better for the team than mathews would be.

But thats IF we got 1oa
- SMBDragon

Ya I was mentioning the other day if we could somehow trade the sedins to make this work it would be full-circle and get the two new guys Laine-puujarvi to take over(I don't think the Sedins are going anywhere).

I'm not sure how we get another 1st or 2nd draft day, but I sure hope it happens. Miller, hansen and edler all have some value to consider trading and I hope JB does pull the trigger.

Stupid NTC I hate those things
- VANTEL

I could see him waiving for somewhere like Detroit or Dallas in order to play with other swedes on the d-line and be on a playoff team.

I agree....too bad we don't have a second 1st again this year

Perhaps we can trade Edler for a 1st
- CanuckDon

If they get the first overall they can move it to Toronto for the Leafs first and Pittsburghs first.

Better off taking Matthews though, kids good!

Ya I was mentioning the other day if we could somehow trade the sedins to make this work it would be full-circle and get the two new guys Laine-puujarvi to take over(I don't think the Sedins are going anywhere).

I'm not sure how we get another 1st or 2nd draft day, but I sure hope it happens. Miller, hansen and edler all have some value to consider trading and I hope JB does pull the trigger.
- neem55

well the assets gained from a 1OA would be substantial. So lets say you trade 1oa with a team at say #2-3 position, You'd get their pick +++. Perhaps that team has a 2nd 1st rder. Or use assets gained to get a 2nd 1st rder. I thinking top 10 here not so much top 3.

Laine and sergachev are my ideal draft outcomes of all possible outcomes. Both are NHL ready as well.

If they get the first overall they can move it to Toronto for the Leafs first and Pittsburghs first.

Better off taking Matthews though, kids good!
- LeftCoaster

so TO has pens 1st? WHere are they picking approx this season?

Im wondering if there is a internet source fro keeping track of traded picks.

well the assets gained from a 1OA would be substantial. So lets say you trade 1oa with a team at say #2-3 position, You'd get their pick +++. Perhaps that team has a 2nd 1st rder. Or use assets gained to get a 2nd 1st rder. I thinking top 10 here not so much top 3.

Laine and sergachev are my ideal draft outcomes of all possible outcomes. Both are NHL ready as well.
- SMBDragon

I think Matthews is mine, just because I don't see a clear 1D out there. I think Chychrun looks like the best of the bunch, if we get him Sergechev or Juolevi I'm going to be stoked. Laine would be pretty sweet, we need that kind of scoring and the guy's shot is already scary.

so TO has pens 1st? WHere are they picking approx this season?

Im wondering if there is a internet source fro keeping track of traded picks.
- SMBDragon

Depends on the playoffs and how far they make it.

http://www.prosportstrans...hockey/DraftTrades/Years/

so TO has pens 1st? WHere are they picking approx this season?

Im wondering if there is a internet source fro keeping track of traded picks.
- SMBDragon

If you look at generalfanager.com, it shows you what picks a team has for the next few years. It depends on when/if pitt gets eliminated where the pick is.

Ya I was mentioning the other day if we could somehow trade the sedins to make this work it would be full-circle and get the two new guys Laine-puujarvi to take over(I don't think the Sedins are going anywhere).

I'm not sure how we get another 1st or 2nd draft day, but I sure hope it happens. Miller, hansen and edler all have some value to consider trading and I hope JB does pull the trigger.
- neem55

Let's say the bottom 5 teams got the top 1-5 picks. (Swap Van and Toronto though

Edmonton: Mathews
Vancouver: Laine
Columbus: Pulijarvi
Toronto: Tkatchuk
Winnipeg: Chychrun

Vancouver trades Tanev, Hansen, McCann and they can keep their 2nd round pick (Torts) for CBJ 1st and Tyutin (salary reasons).

Depends on the playoffs and how far they make it.

http://www.prosportstrans...hockey/DraftTrades/Years/
- LeftCoaster

good site, thanks.

So columbus has three years to pony up that 2nd rounder hey? Probably wont happen til 2018 when they are likely better than 3rd last.

so TO has pens 1st? WHere are they picking approx this season?

Im wondering if there is a internet source fro keeping track of traded picks.
- SMBDragon

General Fanager

Let's say the bottom 5 teams got the top 1-5 picks. (Swap Van and Toronto though

Edmonton: Mathews
Vancouver: Laine
Columbus: Pulijarvi
Toronto: Tkatchuk
Winnipeg: Chychrun

Vancouver trades Tanev, Hansen, McCann and they can keep their 2nd round pick (Torts) for CBJ 1st and Tyutin (salary reasons).
- dbot

Wow, that is pricey! I think kikolinen not drafting a fin in that spot is going to be tough, but that is a pretty darn good package.

good site, thanks.

So columbus has three years to pony up that 2nd rounder hey? Probably wont happen til 2018 when they are likely better than 3rd last.
- neem55

I wouldn't count on that pick for two reasons, 1) Benning will probably trade it away &/or 2) CBJ will wait until 2018 when they should be better.

Can TSN get Kadri into anymore stories this week? Maybe he can sing the national anthem at the Jays game and fall down while doing it, stand up and hit the mountie standing behind him with the mic stand.

Wow, that is pricey! I think kikolinen not drafting a fin in that spot is going to be tough, but that is a pretty darn good package.
- neem55

yeah. maybe too much.

I still think we'll pick 5th anyways.

Let's say the bottom 5 teams got the top 1-5 picks. (Swap Van and Toronto though

Edmonton: Mathews
Vancouver: Laine
Columbus: Pulijarvi
Toronto: Tkatchuk
Winnipeg: Chychrun

Vancouver trades Tanev, Hansen, McCann and they can keep their 2nd round pick (Torts) for CBJ 1st and Tyutin (salary reasons).
- dbot

I like the idea. tanev hanson and MCANN is way too expensive though. 2 of them is ok though. If its mcann then maybe just a 2nd rd pick w him of hanson since hes older. Thats a lot of speed and scoring to hand over, but itd be worth it long term