Yeah, i totally get that. I guess my point is that we were talking at a conversational volume, so this guy wouldn't have heard any of this if he and his son were actively watching and talking about the game. I don't understand people paying to go to a game and treating it like a living-room experience. Also, the fact that people in my section were startled by me chanting along says a lot about the game experience.
- jcragcrumple

I think thats the big point, conversation volume is fine, dude dont listen to my convo then bromontana..

Typically when I see drinking and swearing tends to be at a higher volume then conversation. BUt nowadays is completely different then when most of us were growing up around here. As a young lad I was taken places when my father told me this is an adult setting what you see and hear is not something you repeat anywhere. Kids are way to coddled these days

Long-time lurker, first time poster. I wanted to chime in on the poor FNC atmosphere with an anecdote: I went to a game about a month ago with a couple of buddies who, admittedly, had a few drinks (i was DD'ing). We were talking about the game and one of my friends was using some salty language (sh*t, a couple f-bombs, no slurs) and a guy with his 12-year-old son in front of us kept turning around to chastise my buddy. Now, i get it that you don't want your son to use that language, but if you're so worried about it, talk to your kid about the game and keep him interested. They were just sitting there quietly the entire game and never participated in chants. The kid was looking around the arena and twirling around in his seat. It should never be quiet enough to where you can listen to the entirety of someone's conversation. One time, i started chanting along to let's go buff-a-lo chants and people below us were turning around surprised at the noise I think the arena has become like a living room where people want to passively watch the game instead of cheering. They need to make the arena less family oriented.

tl;dr: the arena is boring because excitement is discouraged by fellow patrons
- jcragcrumple

Welcome to the mix


I had this happen more than once the last 4 years. No wonder the place is known as the morge. I wonder if the kids these days even know we have our own chant?

...

Was Malcolm (thought Angus) that had the illness. Dementia and lung cancer

http://loudwire.com/acdc-...ng-lung-cancer-pacemaker/
- cabin

Yeah, i totally get that. I guess my point is that we were talking at a conversational volume, so this guy wouldn't have heard any of this if he and his son were actively watching and talking about the game. I don't understand people paying to go to a game and treating it like a living-room experience. Also, the fact that people in my section were startled by me chanting along says a lot about the game experience.
- jcragcrumple

FN center isnt the only place this happens. I've lived in Chicago, Minneapolis and the bay area (sharks) and the people in the most expensive seats in all those towns are on their phones, getting sushi delivered to their seats and entering/exiting their seats during game play. And of course, the ushers dont stop them because they're in the "good seats." The reality is, hockey is no longer a working class sport. The 100 level is basically filled with people with disposable income that are bored with shopping, so they go to a hockey game instead.
Its kind of a circle of stupidity. The people that pay the most for their seats dont know the traditions, dont follow the traditions, dont understand the game, etc. but they're also the leagues most valuable customers besides luxury box owners. Blame Bettman. He's the one who wanted to turn the NHL in to basketball on ice.

Long-time lurker, first time poster. I wanted to chime in on the poor FNC atmosphere with an anecdote: I went to a game about a month ago with a couple of buddies who, admittedly, had a few drinks (i was DD'ing). We were talking about the game and one of my friends was using some salty language (sh*t, a couple f-bombs, no slurs) and a guy with his 12-year-old son in front of us kept turning around to chastise my buddy. Now, i get it that you don't want your son to use that language, but if you're so worried about it, talk to your kid about the game and keep him interested. They were just sitting there quietly the entire game and never participated in chants. The kid was looking around the arena and twirling around in his seat. It should never be quiet enough to where you can listen to the entirety of someone's conversation. One time, i started chanting along to let's go buff-a-lo chants and people below us were turning around surprised at the noise I think the arena has become like a living room where people want to passively watch the game instead of cheering. They need to make the arena less family oriented.

tl;dr: the arena is boring because excitement is discouraged by fellow patrons
- jcragcrumple

I have a 14 year old kid I take to the arena a few times every year. I haven't taken him to Ralph Wilson yet, even though he has asked a bunch of times.

FNC has never presented us with a situation that he doesn't see or hear every single day at Jr. High School. I'm not silly enough to think that he's such an example of the purest driven snow.

Bills games are a different story. Even with the family zones, you gotta walk them through the tailgate parties to get them there. He may be ready for those, now, but I won't be ready to take him, and see him see it, for a couple of years, yet.

i had no clue who she was.. looked it up and read some nice quotes about her angus and it getting torn up..
- IndianaSabresFan

she seemed to be a team player

she seemed to be a team player
- homiedclown

Short prison term, Navin?

I have a 14 year old kid I take to the arena a few times every year. I haven't taken him to Ralph Wilson yet, even though he has asked a bunch of times.

FNC has never presented us with a situation that he doesn't see or hear every single day at Jr. High School. I'm not silly enough to think that he's such an example of the purest driven snow.

Bills games are a different story. Even with the family zones, you gotta walk them through the tailgate parties to get them there. He may be ready for those, now, but I won't be ready to take him, and see him see it, for a couple of years, yet.
- Der Kaiser

Thats been a long debate of what age to take a kid to the ralph I say Sr . in HS. Kids day for Preseason is ok but regular season no way.

FN center isnt the only place this happens. I've lived in Chicago, Minneapolis and the bay area (sharks) and the people in the most expensive seats in all those towns are on their phones, getting sushi delivered to their seats and entering/exiting their seats during game play. And of course, the ushers dont stop them because they're in the "good seats." The reality is, hockey is no longer a working class sport. The 100 level is basically filled with people with disposable income that are bored with shopping, so they go to a hockey game instead.
Its kind of a circle of stupidity. The people that pay the most for their seats dont know the traditions, dont follow the traditions, dont understand the game, etc. but they're also the leagues most valuable customers besides luxury box owners. Blame Bettman. He's the one who wanted to turn the NHL in to basketball on ice.
- seedy

100 Level is that way everywhere. and to be honest in the 100 level you dont hear whats going on outside the glass. So the atmosphere comes from the 300's

100 Level is that way everywhere. and to be honest in the 100 level you dont hear whats going on outside the glass. So the atmosphere comes from the 300's
- hubie

Absolutely. But you would think people who show up for a sporting event, even if they have 100 level seats, would understand the concept of cheering for the home team, may be not texting non stop, taking selfies. Then of course, every time a goal is scored, everyone is taking pictures/video of the goal celebration....not exactly sure what you're even going to do with that oscar-worthy footage, but whatever.
Basically, im calling out the mindset of these people that spend good dough to see a game and dont really seem to understand how to participate in it.

Short prison term, Navin?
- Der Kaiser

weekend in the clink, 48 hours

seemed someone posted malkin to the leafs and I said ek said he was going to the blues, and posted the link to the video where the guys wife said conklin sucks a$$

seems it's ok for some to have fun on april fools, and others get banned for 48 hours by just posting a link

another day in paradise on the buzz

http://sabres.buffalonews.com/2016/04/02/as-sabres-ticket-costs-rise-fan-satisfaction-declines/

Interesting article in the Buffalo News.

I completely understand the revenue sharing aspect. The fans that say "I don't understand why the Sabres need it" are way off base here.

However, having been to 10 other NHL arenas, they are right in saying when it comes to arena atmosphere, First Niagara Center is outright amateur hour. Hopefully, eventually winning games will help, but it's not everything. When you go to places like Toronto, Montreal, New York, and Detroit, you feel like you are at a big time event. That's not the case with the Sabres. The arena production (and MSG Buffalo's as well) feels like it's being run out of a makeshift studio out of somebody's basement. The Sabres need give its patrons way more bang for their buck, especially in lean times like this. The NHL outsourced its production to Major League Baseball, and the visuals on both the NHL Network and NHL.com has been night and day. I think it's time for the Sabres to go down a similar path.
- buffalofan19

Dumpy MSG and have Peggy create his own station like Empire.

weekend in the clink, 48 hours

seemed someone posted malkin to the leafs and I said ek said he was going to the blues, and posted the link to the video where the guys wife said conklin sucks a$$

seems it's ok for some to have fun on april fools, and others get banned for 48 hours by just posting a link

another day in paradise on the buzz
- homiedclown

That's an awesome vid. Surprised EK doesn't use it as his pitch to get more season ticket holders.

At the Calgary game when we got our 5th goal, I started (tried to) 1-2-3-4-5 we want 6 chant, no one even knew what i was talking about. An older guy in my section told me he hadnt heard that in 10 years. I then started talking about the Sabres on the warpath chant and everyone was clueless. My tickets are in 116 but i grew up in the 300s. It is a complete and total different crowd down low. It's crazy.

http://sabres.buffalonews.com/2016/04/02/as-sabres-ticket-costs-rise-fan-satisfaction-declines/

Interesting article in the Buffalo News.

I completely understand the revenue sharing aspect. The fans that say "I don't understand why the Sabres need it" are way off base here.

However, having been to 10 other NHL arenas, they are right in saying when it comes to arena atmosphere, First Niagara Center is outright amateur hour. Hopefully, eventually winning games will help, but it's not everything. When you go to places like Toronto, Montreal, New York, and Detroit, you feel like you are at a big time event. That's not the case with the Sabres. The arena production (and MSG Buffalo's as well) feels like it's being run out of a makeshift studio out of somebody's basement. The Sabres need give its patrons way more bang for their buck, especially in lean times like this. The NHL outsourced its production to Major League Baseball, and the visuals on both the NHL Network and NHL.com has been night and day. I think it's time for the Sabres to go down a similar path.
- buffalofan19

I agree with Pach this is a whiny article. I am not a season ticket holder, but two things jumped off the page at me:

1. The person said "When I bought the tickets, I just wanted to be able to see more games, but now I want more than that."

2. Of the five teams analyzed, Buffalo's prices were the lowest by 10% over the next cheapest city.

Pretty tough to say the tickets are a ripoff when they give you everything you bought them for at a price that's considerably below all the competitors.

And "the product on the ice sucks" isn't a legit response, either.

In Buffalo, the best seats in section 307, at the "shoot twice" blue line, are $2,150. In Edmonton, seats at the same location cost $4,500 - $4,950 Canadian, or US$3,846 . In Winnipeg, seats at that location are US$2,465

At the Calgary game when we got our 5th goal, I started (tried to) 1-2-3-4-5 we want 6 chant, no one even knew what i was talking about. An older guy in my section told me he hadnt heard that in 10 years. I then started talking about the Sabres on the warpath chant and everyone was clueless. My tickets are in 116 but i grew up in the 300s. It is a complete and total different crowd down low. It's crazy.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Section 100 row 3 has been the same cats and it can get pretty rowdy... so i guess it all depends on where you are and how long people are there. Those seats havent changed but where my seasons are up in 300s the first 4 are on stub hub every day so its a new schmoe every game

That's an awesome vid. Surprised EK doesn't use it as his pitch to get more season ticket holders.
- cabin

it was the link, not the video


and there was much more merit to the wife's words then 95% of the comments and ek's blog on that day

it was a very good post

weekend in the clink, 48 hours

seemed someone posted malkin to the leafs and I said ek said he was going to the blues, and posted the link to the video where the guys wife said conklin sucks a$$

seems it's ok for some to have fun on april fools, and others get banned for 48 hours by just posting a link

another day in paradise on the buzz
- homiedclown

Its also easier and apparently, LESS embarrassing to ban someone for criticism of bad spelling and or grammar than to just fix the bad spelling and or grammar.

I agree with Pach this is a whiny article. I am not a season ticket holder, but two things jumped off the page at me:

1. The person said "When I bought the tickets, I just wanted to be able to see more games, but now I want more than that."

2. Of the five teams analyzed, Buffalo's prices were the lowest by 10% over the next cheapest city.

Pretty tough to say the tickets are a ripoff when they give you everything you bought them for at a price that's considerably below all the competitors.

And "the product on the ice sucks" isn't a legit response, either.

In Buffalo, the best seats in section 307, at the "shoot twice" blue line, are $2,150. In Edmonton, seats at the same location cost $4,500 - $4,950 Canadian, or US$3,846 . In Winnipeg, seats at that location are US$2,465
- Der Kaiser

the cap has gone up a lot since that first lockout, and if it keeps rising, hockey will be a tough sell in general


when that ticket goes up $10 more bucks in tampa, c bus, nashville, etc the product on the ice will need to be competitive for 80% of the seats to be sold IMO

the cap has gone up a lot since that first lockout, and if it keeps rising, hockey will be a tough sell in general


when that ticket goes up $10 more bucks in tampa, c bus, nashville, etc the product on the ice will need to be competitive for 80% of the seats to be sold IMO
- homiedclown

Good sir a round of beers for 4 gentlemen is more expensive then said 4 tickets to lightning game.

Its also easier and apparently, LESS embarrassing to ban someone for criticism of bad spelling and or grammar than to just fix the bad spelling and or grammar.
- seedy

don't post ralph eating paste in julie loves hockey section on her pasted "good reads"

Good sir a round of beers for 4 gentlemen is more expensive then said 4 tickets to lightning game.
- hubie

oh I get it, I have had the $14 cans down there


right now it's a great place for a game


if they lose stamkos, hedman and put up 85 points a year, and the tickets go up they will be on track to 12,000 weeknight games and dirt cheap 5 game ticket packages like they were 5 years ago

Section 100 row 3 has been the same cats and it can get pretty rowdy... so i guess it all depends on where you are and how long people are there. Those seats havent changed but where my seasons are up in 300s the first 4 are on stub hub every day so its a new schmoe every game
- hubie

Thats the thing its all season ticket holders in the 100s so they should know the chants and such. The last few years i undersatnd the team has sucked so poeple who never went to games starting going becuase people were giving there tickets aways, but this year... especially lately they have been awesome at home and the future is looking bright. Lets make these kids feel welcome and get rowdy.

Have you ever been to a Bandits game? The crowd is loud as hell and knows every chant, 3 year olds 80 year olds.... everyone is into it. Then you go to a Sabres game and its dead, even the leafs game i had more fun with the leafs fans in my section than the sabres fans, because at least they went back and forth and when i started chanting they would too. Then i could yell "blow leafs blow" which makes me happy. Plus im way louder than most people.

oh I get it, I have had the $14 cans down there


right now it's a great place for a game


if they lose stamkos, hedman and put up 85 points a year, and the tickets go up they will be on track to 12,000 weeknight games and dirt cheap 5 game ticket packages like they were 5 years ago
- homiedclown

same trip we had last row tickets moved to 2nd row nobody cared, should have seen my face after was told the price of 4 beers