Looks like mashinter will play...LmAO

Q seems to be encouraging it with the the lineup assuming mashinter is in.

Really if there is a big hit Mash and Reaves are going to fight. Both of them are going to be out there at the same time. So I guess I don't get if say Brouwer lays a big clean hit on Panarin and next shift Reaves and Mash fight. Kinda dumb.
- Gerk

The problem is Stan Bowman traded guys like Buff and Brouwer and never got any of the same kind of players back and now we have to rely on a club foot like Mashintor to do the socalled heavy lifting! Another fail by Stan Bowman.

I see we've got some of the hardcore regulars on here this evening...Texas, Bogie, Savvy, Mr. R, Enzo, Rick...etc...

As I mentioned earlier in the blog Stan didn't have a great summer...

Didn't get rid of Bickell for cap space. Didn't resign Oduya when it should have been the only thing on his mind at the parade and instead runs out and inks Rundblad to a new deal. Then he gift wrapped Sharp, Oduya, and Johns to the Stars...and now Runny is back on the team.

Where Stan gets a ton of credit is the Saad move. Got back AA who's been the #2 center this team has needed for eons and also brought back Dano. Who sadly was was flipped for Ladd instead of TT. Stan's achillies heel is having time to think about a deal because then he franks it up. (see Leddy, Nick) to the islanders.
And Stan lucked out with Panarin thanks to the leg work of Barry Smith.

Meanwhile there's Q - WTF is it about Mashinter...easily Panik or Weise (a playoff vet) should be starting before him and Q feels he's playing with house money at this point. As Maria pointed out with some staggering numbers earlier when Mash plays the Hawks winning percentage tanks. How do you roll 4 actual lines with him in there...? With the defense being what it is right now, you've got to keep the puck in the offensive end of the ice with your best forwards. I can't wait to see Mash turn it over at center (a la the Bruins game a week and a half back) and its behind Crawford.

Heck in his presser this afternoon Q was gushing about Rundblad playing 25 minutes a night at Rockford. I almost think he'll put Runny in there tomorrow night just so Stan can see him...yikes...dysfunctional city here...

The Hawks have slogged through the 82 to finally get here...and tomorrow night it counts. We'll see what happens.

Dysfunctional? Sounds like somebody with inside information.

Q is on the hot seat internally and externally every season, every playoff series. He wins far more than most but nobody wins every time. Even Scotty couldn't and he was the inventor and master of f$cking with player's heads.

And it is common knowledge that Babcock and Ken Holland frequently disagreed on player personnel and playing time. Didn't seem to effect the Red Wings very much.
- RickJ

68,69,70..0-12 in cup finals with...guess who...the expansion blues...nasty start and then went on to go 9-1 in cup finals....unreal

I see we've got some of the hardcore regulars on here this evening...Texas, Bogie, Savvy, Mr. R, Enzo, Rick...etc...

As I mentioned earlier in the blog Stan didn't have a great summer...

Didn't get rid of Bickell for cap space. Didn't resign Oduya when it should have been the only thing on his mind at the parade and instead runs out and inks Rundblad to a new deal. Then he gift wrapped Sharp, Oduya, and Johns to the Stars...and now Runny is back on the team.

Where Stan gets a ton of credit is the Saad move. Got back AA who's been the #2 center this team has needed for eons and also brought back Dano. Who sadly was was flipped for Ladd instead of TT. Stan's achillies heel is having time to think about a deal because then he franks it up. (see Leddy, Nick) to the islanders.
And Stan lucked out with Panarin thanks to the leg work of Barry Smith.

Meanwhile there's Q - WTF is it about Mashinter...easily Panik or Weise (a playoff vet) should be starting before him and Q feels he's playing with house money at this point. As Maria pointed out with some staggering numbers earlier when Mash plays the Hawks winning percentage tanks. How do you roll 4 actual lines with him in there...? With the defense being what it is right now, you've got to keep the puck in the offensive end of the ice with your best forwards. I can't wait to see Mash turn it over at center (a la the Bruins game a week and a half back) and its behind Crawford.

Heck in his presser this afternoon Q was gushing about Rundblad playing 25 minutes a night at Rockford. I almost think he'll put Runny in there tomorrow night just so Stan can see him...yikes...dysfunctional city here...

The Hawks have slogged through the 82 to finally get here...and tomorrow night it counts. We'll see what happens.
- DK002

what the hell does Q see...that we don't...there is nothing from the actual play on ice where this makes any sense: from qualitative or quantitative perspective as others have pointed out...although I do think the hawks have much bigger issues...the question is how does mash mitigate those issues....i cant see it...

Looks like mashinter will play...LmAO
- southernhawk

I'll give Mash this...he's not afraid to go to the net. That's how he's scored his handful of goals this year, but otherwise I just don't get it.

I suppose if Mash makes enough mistakes he'll play 6 minutes and one or several other guys with be double shifted.

That plug on the 3rd line just boggles my mind...

Weise makes more sense...tough as nails, more speed, decent finish, will go to the net, post season experience, played half the year with Flash.

https://www.nhl.com/black...th/t-277513038/c-43460903

I think the person who said he/she thinks the media must troll this board might be right. One of them asked Q today how it is that veterans come in and cannot fit into his defensive system, but seem to do fine elsewhere. Starts around 3:00 min in on the video.

"With all due respect to your past success. . ."

They followed that question up immediately with a question about why he is playing Mashinter. "Is his size the reason he is in the line-up?"

Going out on a limb to say this might have been one of his least-favorite press conferences next to the 25 second one.

And, in case you were worried about how Runblad is feeling being back:
https://www.nhl.com/black...ng/t-277513038/c-43461003

The problem is Stan Bowman traded guys like Buff and Brouwer and never got any of the same kind of players back and now we have to rely on a club foot like Mashintor to do the socalled heavy lifting! Another fail by Stan Bowman.
- wonthecup10

How can you sit there and complain like this about the job SB has done after he's rinsed and repeated for multiple championships? He's added guys like Panarin(77 pts in 80 games rookie season), Anisimov(after drafting Saad), Ladd, Weise, Vermette, Oduya, drafted Teravainen, Kruger, and Shaw, etc, etc, etc
....and yet you're gonna actually sit there and essentially say "he lost Buff and Brouwer and never got any heavy hitters back to replace them" and it was "another" fail?!? ANOTHER?!?! And act like that lone aspect of the game(hitting, fighting, physicality) is holding us back, when we've proven time and time again we can hold our own against the style in the post season and hit back when we need to? All the while ignoring all the positives along the way?!?

And you somehow put Mashinter in the equation, like its Stan's fault Mash is currently in the lineup when he's given Q this many options at forward. ....

This has to be the soundest explanation for Q's 2015-16 approach I've seen yet:

reddit u/hawkyourself: Why does Q continue to drive me to drink?

reddit u/welton92: Binny's has to pay for those ads somehow

(all, of course, on a thread devoted to the Mashinter question)

Looks like mashinter will play...LmAO
- southernhawk

Last day to get in people .


WHo won last year ?


JJ Buzz

http://bracketchallenge.n...rr_plyfmdl#/league/148836

Last day to get in people .


WHo won last year ?


JJ Buzz

http://bracketchallenge.n...rr_plyfmdl#/league/148836
- mrpaulish

i'm in!

Looks like mashinter will play...LmAO
- southernhawk

Here is my take on the whole Mashinter thing - He was traded for one Kyle Beach. since he was a 1st round pick, Mashinter now is 1st round material, or at least they are getting playing time from that draft pick position.
Make any sense?

My hope is that Q is skating Mash in warmups to throw off Hitch, but my fear is I'm wrong. 14 and 25 (and 70) should get game action before Mash. The only playoff TOI 53 should see is in Rockford!

This chart says it all. The chart shows shots against vs. shots for for each player and Mashinter.

The blue box is Mashinter without the player
The black box is the player with Mashinter
The red box is the player without Mashinter

Almost in no case is someone better with Mashinter than they are without him. I've circled TT and Fleischmann as an example. Both TT and Fleischmann take fewer shots while also allowing more shots when on the ice with Mashinter. On the other end of the spectrum is Panarin. If you look at his chart, it appears that he makes almost every other player better when on the ice together.


- etchtech

Can you find that for Weise while he's been with the Hawks? Panik too? Just because that's really the issue.

Mashinter blows for sure, the question is, does he blow that much worse than anyone they replace him with?

Last day to get in people .


WHo won last year ?


JJ Buzz

http://bracketchallenge.n...rr_plyfmdl#/league/148836
- mrpaulish

I was like 7th, but I dont remember who were the few ahead of me...

You're right he's not above criticism, however you and Savvy are going to some extremes with your statements. I don't think the situation between coach and GM is as bad as you're making it sound.
- SimpleJack

What I have heard from people in position to know.

Their relationship was real frosty for a couple of years, got really turned around last year, and has deteriorated again this year.

At some point, the disconnect between Stan's moves and Q's moves with the same players speaks for itself.

Dysfunctional? Sounds like somebody with inside information.

Q is on the hot seat internally and externally every season, every playoff series. He wins far more than most but nobody wins every time. Even Scotty couldn't and he was the inventor and master of f$cking with player's heads.

And it is common knowledge that Babcock and Ken Holland frequently disagreed on player personnel and playing time. Didn't seem to effect the Red Wings very much.
- RickJ

Great points.

I see we've got some of the hardcore regulars on here this evening...Texas, Bogie, Savvy, Mr. R, Enzo, Rick...etc...

As I mentioned earlier in the blog Stan didn't have a great summer...

Didn't get rid of Bickell for cap space. Didn't resign Oduya when it should have been the only thing on his mind at the parade and instead runs out and inks Rundblad to a new deal. Then he gift wrapped Sharp, Oduya, and Johns to the Stars...and now Runny is back on the team.

Where Stan gets a ton of credit is the Saad move. Got back AA who's been the #2 center this team has needed for eons and also brought back Dano. Who sadly was was flipped for Ladd instead of TT. Stan's achillies heel is having time to think about a deal because then he franks it up. (see Leddy, Nick) to the islanders.
And Stan lucked out with Panarin thanks to the leg work of Barry Smith.

Meanwhile there's Q - WTF is it about Mashinter...easily Panik or Weise (a playoff vet) should be starting before him and Q feels he's playing with house money at this point. As Maria pointed out with some staggering numbers earlier when Mash plays the Hawks winning percentage tanks. How do you roll 4 actual lines with him in there...? With the defense being what it is right now, you've got to keep the puck in the offensive end of the ice with your best forwards. I can't wait to see Mash turn it over at center (a la the Bruins game a week and a half back) and its behind Crawford.

Heck in his presser this afternoon Q was gushing about Rundblad playing 25 minutes a night at Rockford. I almost think he'll put Runny in there tomorrow night just so Stan can see him...yikes...dysfunctional city here...

The Hawks have slogged through the 82 to finally get here...and tomorrow night it counts. We'll see what happens.
- DK002

Great post great points

Can you find that for Weise while he's been with the Hawks? Panik too? Just because that's really the issue.

Mashinter blows for sure, the question is, does he blow that much worse than anyone they replace him with?
- John Jaeckel

my guess not enough games for weiss or panik to make a meaningful comparitive sample set...however panik should have a larger set than weiss

How can you sit there and complain like this about the job SB has done after he's rinsed and repeated for multiple championships? He's added guys like Panarin(77 pts in 80 games rookie season), Anisimov(after drafting Saad), Ladd, Weise, Vermette, Oduya, drafted Teravainen, Kruger, and Shaw, etc, etc, etc
....and yet you're gonna actually sit there and essentially say "he lost Buff and Brouwer and never got any heavy hitters back to replace them" and it was "another" fail?!? ANOTHER?!?! And act like that lone aspect of the game(hitting, fighting, physicality) is holding us back, when we've proven time and time again we can hold our own against the style in the post season and hit back when we need to? All the while ignoring all the positives along the way?!?

And you somehow put Mashinter in the equation, like its Stan's fault Mash is currently in the lineup when he's given Q this many options at forward. ....
- SimpleJack

Jack.....Dale Weise,WTF is going on with him, he should be playing instead of Mashintor. NOT STAN'S FAULT for that head scratcher. But maybe just maybe he gave away TOO MUCH potential forthat part of the game. I amgonna sit back and watch this series and the rest if they advance, if I am wrong I will eat huge Crow here on these boards. But if they get the livin crap kicked out of them all over the ice ,then I will say "told ya so" I hope it is the 1st option which plays out.

Stephan Johns, Dano ,and Danault were all good pieces moving forward and all provided some jam as we say along with skill who were part of the future. Along with Q jacking off Weise, if Bowman doesn't re sign Ladd or the other 2, now we lost 3 kids plus these guys and there is NADDA in Rockford to replace these guys,
Like I said I hope I am wrong and you are right because that means there will be another parade, this year I done feel comfortable as in the past. 52 and 43? YIKES for starters!

68,69,70..0-12 in cup finals with...guess who...the expansion blues...nasty start and then went on to go 9-1 in cup finals....unreal
- bogiedoc[/quot



History Lesson:
The only reason the Blues were in the final in the late 60's was because the Expansion Teams were in 1 Division and the Original 6 were in the other. The Blues were a collection of miss fits and cast offs from the Original 6 teams

Doug Harvey, Red Berenson and Glenn Hall. They would not have made the Playoffs in the other Division and despite being in the final were far from the second best team in hockey. They were swept every year.

Jack.....Dale Weise,WTF is going on with him, he should be playing instead of Mashintor. NOT STAN'S FAULT for that head scratcher. But maybe just maybe he gave away TOO MUCH potential forthat part of the game. I amgonna sit back and watch this series and the rest if they advance, if I am wrong I will eat huge Crow here on these boards. But if they get the livin crap kicked out of them all over the ice ,then I will say "told ya so" I hope it is the 1st option which plays out.

Stephan Johns, Dano ,and Danault were all good pieces moving forward and all provided some jam as we say along with skill who were part of the future. Along with Q jacking off Weise, if Bowman doesn't re sign Ladd or the other 2, now we lost 3 kids plus these guys and there is NADDA in Rockford to replace these guys,
Like I said I hope I am wrong and you are right because that means there will be another parade, this year I done feel comfortable as in the past. 52 and 43? YIKES for starters!
- wonthecup10

Simply a total guess on my part - Q likely thinks he needs somebody in the lineup in Game 1 to fight one of the 3 or 4 guys on the Blues with IQ's 1 above lettuce - Reaves, Bortuzzo or Edmunson. He really doesn't want to use Ladd or Shaw for that so the choice is his own cretin - Mashinter. Yup, it takes a better hockey player out of the lineup but that's the way it is in the eye for an eye hockey world.

And remember this from 2 years ago - the Blues were doing whatever they wanted physically to the Hawks in the first 2 games of the series until Seabrook applied the knockout punch to Backes and after that the Blues faded like one of my $79 suits. Seabs will be forever in my Hall of Fame for that hit. Everything changed for the better after that.

Mashinter is a grand Rope a Dope... Q has had him skating all year with 4 pounds of lead in his right shin pad, and, they tape the first 3 fingers of his top hand together forcing him to shove them into just one glove finger. This has held him in check so the other teams won't know what they are in for during the playoffs. Tonight, I am told, the lead comes out and he will be permitted to use his first finger as God intended. The second and third finger will still be taped, but will be freed should the Hawks make it to the final. This is just what I heard.

Granted it's a video game. But I downloaded the NHL 16 updated rosters as of late march and the lines the computer made for me were not bad at all:

16-19-81
72-15-88
25-86-65
12-22-11

Take it for what it is, but having the big body of Weise and the tenacity of Shaw, who if Im not mistaken had some Chemistry w/ Teuvo last playoff, could really give us a serious edge. The Toews line IMO will determine who wins and loses this series. Excited for tonight fellas! It's the best time of year!