All UFAs let go
- VANTEL

Ahh missed that,

You guys pretty set on picking a D man? Nobody high on Tkachuk?
- RonPielep

Organizational need. Hutton was unexpected, and Subban has the name factor, but outside of that we are looking at mid to bottom pairing D potential in the chute. Haven't had a top D prospect since Bourdon

You guys pretty set on picking a D man? Nobody high on Tkachuk?
- RonPielep

I would take him over any of the D, Dubois as well.

Ahh missed that,
- Makita

I forgive you

All UFAs let go
- VANTEL

and sedins end up in detroit right?

Thank you so much, Carol, for keeping us informed and entertained throughout a very trying season. Your hard work and dedication were of All Star calibre!!

and sedins end up in detroit right?
- numbear

No they are sticking around to mentor and play with new BFF Louie Eriksson

Organizational need. Hutton was unexpected, and Subban has the name factor, but outside of that we are looking at mid to bottom pairing D potential in the chute. Haven't had a top D prospect since Bourdon
- WhiteLie

The organization also has little to no offensive prospects as well. Boeser has had a great season but still is not what I would consider a high end prospect at this point. McCann and Virtanen have some potential but IMO still project to be complementary pieces in the top 6.

I still think the greatest need is guys who can score and create.

Laine is playing absolute DYNAMITE hockey right now my god.

I forgive you
- VANTEL

You're so very kind...

Laine is playing absolute DYNAMITE hockey right now my god.
- Codes1087

Puljujärvi even better...

Thank you so much, Carol, for keeping us informed and entertained throughout a very trying season. Your hard work and dedication were of All Star calibre!!

- Marwood

You're so affectionate to Carol. Why don't you show that soft heart to any of us?

Puljujärvi even better...
- belcherbd

That is the word on the street

The organization also has little to no offensive prospects as well. Boeser has had a great season but still is not what I would consider a high end prospect at this point. McCann and Virtanen have some potential but IMO still project to be complementary pieces in the top 6.

I still think the greatest need is guys who can score and create.
- belcherbd

I agree that the need for scoring is high, but at least there is some youth in the system that have skill.
If Tkachuk was considered better long term than the D prospects, I would be ok with him being taken (and really I am ok with any prospect taken in the top 6, we are in a good spot). I just haven't seen that he was worth it in relation to the Serg/Chych/Jules etc. that they were fairly equal level prospects

Organizational need. Hutton was unexpected, and Subban has the name factor, but outside of that we are looking at mid to bottom pairing D potential in the chute. Haven't had a top D prospect since Bourdon
- WhiteLie

Might be worth trading down too if something is available with another team. There are other top D prospects spread around the top 0-40 picks who could help bulk up the depth.

You're so affectionate to Carol. Why don't you show that soft heart to any of us?
- bloatedmosquito

It's called chivalry you needy little pillow-biter.

Might be worth trading down too if something is available with another team. There are other top D prospects spread around the top 0-40 picks who could help bulk up the depth.
- RonPielep

Yeah I am not sure who JB is high on, but if they are sitting 4th and dont want Tkachuk I would move down somewhere in the top 8-10 to pick up another top 35 pick.

That being said I wouldnt be surprised if he takes Tkachuk and has his eye on a defenseman in that top 40 range like you say

I agree that the need for scoring is high, but at least there is some youth in the system that have skill.
If Tkachuk was considered better long term than the D prospects, I would be ok with him being taken (and really I am ok with any prospect taken in the top 6, we are in a good spot). I just haven't seen that he was worth it in relation to the Serg/Chych/Jules etc. that they were fairly equal level prospects
- WhiteLie

Work from the Goalie out. Better passes , harder shots and rebounds from the back end is where you start to improve your scoring

Work from the Goalie out. Better passes , harder shots and rebounds from the back end is where you start to improve your scoring
- VANTEL

I agree with both White Lie and Vantel ... Just wait for JB with 4/5 pick in draft NOT pick one of the D ... the 1040 crowd will go nuts ... and I would have no problem ... none of the top D prospects are generational talents .... you could pick up the same player in 2nd/3rd rd if your scouts have done their job, and with JB supervising I feel better about that than any other time in Canucks history ...

In a woeful D Edler is still the best we have.

Either Burrows or Hamhuis writing will be on the wall on the 30 th . If we are drafting a D then absolutely no need for Hamhuis. If drafting a forward , then absolutely no need for Burrows.
- VANTEL

Good points.

I'm hoping for a high pick (forward) and expect Hamhuis to be resigned.
Burrows to be bought out i think.

I agree that the need for scoring is high, but at least there is some youth in the system that have skill.
If Tkachuk was considered better long term than the D prospects, I would be ok with him being taken (and really I am ok with any prospect taken in the top 6, we are in a good spot). I just haven't seen that he was worth it in relation to the Serg/Chych/Jules etc. that they were fairly equal level prospects
- WhiteLie

Fair enough, I just don't see the same gap between the top 3 D and the next 4-5 when we select in the 2nd. I think the top 5-6 forwards and a forward available at 33 is a huge jump.

Forwards taken in the top 5 often end up being elite, Defense much less.

Between 2002 and 2011 the D in the top 5:

Whitney, Bouwmeester, Pitkanen, Barker, J Johnson, E Johnson, Hickey, Alzner, Schenn, Pietrangelo, Doughty, Bogosian, Hedman, Gudbranson, Larsson.

3 out of 15 elite IMO

Forwards :
Nash, Staal, Horten, Zherdev, Vanek, Ovechkin, Malkin, Ladd, Wheeler, Crosby, Ryan, Pouliot, Staal, Toews, Backstrom, Kessel, Kane, JVR, Turris, Stamkos, Tavares, Duchene, Kane, Hall, Seguin, Johansen, Niederreiter, Nuge, landeskog, Huberdeau, Strome.

17 out of 31 elite IMO.

Fair enough, I just don't see the same gap between the top 3 D and the next 4-5 when we select in the 2nd. I think the top 5-6 forwards and a forward available at 33 is a huge jump.

Forwards taken in the top 5 often end up being elite, Defense much less.

Between 2002 and 2011 the D in the top 5:

Whitney, Bouwmeester, Pitkanen, Barker, J Johnson, E Johnson, Hickey, Alzner, Schenn, Pietrangelo, Doughty, Bogosian, Hedman, Gudbranson, Larsson.

3 out of 15 elite IMO

Forwards :
Nash, Staal, Horten, Zherdev, Vanek, Ovechkin, Malkin, Ladd, Wheeler, Crosby, Ryan, Pouliot, Staal, Toews, Backstrom, Kessel, Kane, JVR, Turris, Stamkos, Tavares, Duchene, Kane, Hall, Seguin, Johansen, Niederreiter, Nuge, landeskog, Huberdeau, Strome.

17 out of 31 elite IMO.
- belcherbd

I think I did some similar research a while back, I agree you can get a really good forward in the top 5, while defense is still more about development beyond the draft. That's why I feel like any prospect they get this year will be a good piece, but the attention has been all about defense so I have got caught up in it quite a bit more

Fair enough, I just don't see the same gap between the top 3 D and the next 4-5 when we select in the 2nd. I think the top 5-6 forwards and a forward available at 33 is a huge jump.

Forwards taken in the top 5 often end up being elite, Defense much less.

Between 2002 and 2011 the D in the top 5:

Whitney, Bouwmeester, Pitkanen, Barker, J Johnson, E Johnson, Hickey, Alzner, Schenn, Pietrangelo, Doughty, Bogosian, Hedman, Gudbranson, Larsson.

3 out of 15 elite IMO

Forwards :
Nash, Staal, Horten, Zherdev, Vanek, Ovechkin, Malkin, Ladd, Wheeler, Crosby, Ryan, Pouliot, Staal, Toews, Backstrom, Kessel, Kane, JVR, Turris, Stamkos, Tavares, Duchene, Kane, Hall, Seguin, Johansen, Niederreiter, Nuge, landeskog, Huberdeau, Strome.

17 out of 31 elite IMO.
- belcherbd

You didn't highlight JVR . You are just inviting Leaf posters with that nonsense

I agree with both White Lie and Vantel ... Just wait for JB with 4/5 pick in draft NOT pick one of the D ... the 1040 crowd will go nuts ... and I would have no problem ... none of the top D prospects are generational talents .... you could pick up the same player in 2nd/3rd rd if your scouts have done their job, and with JB supervising I feel better about that than any other time in Canucks history ...
- the end

2014, I will always have high hopes for JB because of 2014...

This is how I see this year unfolding.

Draft

Going with the odds and say we get a pick 4,5, or 6 Sergachev

RFAs

Sven [email protected] per

Etem [email protected] per

Granlund [email protected]

Vey not signed

Pedan 1 @.750 K

Zalewski 1 @.675 ( 2 way)

Grenier traded

Bloomstrand 2 way deal

UFAs

All let go from Canucks

UFA pick ups

Ericksson ( don't like it but I think it will happen) 2 yrs @5.5 per

Martin 4 yrs @ 3 per

Trades

I expect a Tanev to WPG trade

Buyouts

Burrows

Waived

Higgins
- VANTEL

I like it.
I reckon Sven will get a bit more salary, but overall it's a nice plan.
Who do we pick up from Winnipeg?
They have a lot of salary committed to their backend already, and also have Trouba to resign. They lack depth up front more than anything imo.
They also have a lot of cap space.
Burrows and Tanev for picks and salary dump?