the difference is instead of having jeff carter and simon gagne we have matt read and michael raffl
- 2Real

If we're gonna go that route, the difference is we have Claude Giroux and Wayne Simmonds instead of Jared Ross and Ryan Parent.

I can name good players and bad players on both teams, too.

Versteeg sucks.
Faksa is a funny name
Tim Wilson is a walking major penalty waiting to happen.
- jmatchett383

Midnight Oil said it. A Faksa fact

Bill, what do you think about in regards to Mikkael Boedker?
- sjk540

spells his name weird

i always enjoyed watching jamie mcginn play

Agreed. Go back to rangers 2 years ago. Doors blown off in game 1 and most of the series yet stretched it to 7. Mason alone will get them one. The pp will probably get them one more
- Just5

the PP that couldn't even get one measly goal yesterday?

Good try.

I think the fact they lost that series in 6 in a real gut wrenching last game might lose your point on some people.
- mayorofangrytown

Game 6 sucked, but the point is that losing Game 1 against a better team in bad fashion isn't a guarantee of getting swept.

If we're gonna go that route, the difference is we have Claude Giroux and Wayne Simmonds instead of Jared Ross and Ryan Parent.

I can name good players and bad players on both teams, too.
- jmatchett383

bad comparison giroux was already on the 2009-10 flyers

Not meant to be inspirational so much as check yourself at the door if you're gonna come in saying the Flyers suck and have no chance of winning the series/some games.
- jmatchett383

Got it.

They don't suck, but their chances at winning the series are slim to none. But, imho, that's okay as I didn't think they'd be there in the first place.

Where does signing Stamkos preclude you from drafting and developing?

Why do I have to wait 3-4 years down the road to sign a FA?

At 26 Stamoks can be part of the now and future.

People seem to keep saying stick to the plan, draft develop and then wait years to sign a FA. But why does it have to be that order?
- J35Bacher

It's simple, really. If signing Stamkos doesn't put you over the top, doesn't guarantee you a cup win, and prohibits your ability to do anything else in Free Agency, it's a detrimental move. It prevents you from upgrading anywhere else other than the draft; which clearly shouldn't be our only avenue of team improvement.

Instead, you stick with the plan, hope to find the next Panarin, and continue to build. If you don't find Panarin (which you likely won't), at least you will have solidified the other roles on the team. At that point, you go ahead and pull the trigger for you sniper or whatever you want.

Some teams should love the idea of signing Stamkos at this juncture of their team's progression. I just don't think the Flyers are one of them.

the PP that couldn't even get one measly goal yesterday?
- 2Real

No, it couldn't. Hopefully they do score PPs in upcoming games, something they did in 3 of 4 meetings against Washington this year.

is this sarcasm? the reason you cant is good for both players and teams. GMs spend more wisely for the most part and a player doesnt get jammed into the AHL just because of his contract
- YuenglingJagr

Not sarcastic at all coming from a fan of a team that will happily bury contracts to free up cap space

Good try.

I think the fact they lost that series in 6 in a real gut wrenching last game might lose your point on some people.
- mayorofangrytown

He should've gone with 2010 vs Boston lol

- hockeylover

Go ahead, jump

bad comparison giroux was already on the 2009-10 flyers
- 2Real

Actually, he was on the 08/09 Flyers, they didn't play Pittsburgh in 09/10. But you get the idea...I hope.

Not sarcastic at all coming from a fan of a team that will happily bury contracts to free up cap space
- nastyflyergirl

it was a nice hand to play, but it is going to be much nicer when they dont have to work around the cap until they have their main core in the ir primes

Not sarcastic at all coming from a fan of a team that will happily bury contracts to free up cap space
- nastyflyergirl

Fans want to do it. I'm sure Pittsburgh would have loved to bury Scuderi last year. All (most) teams have bad contracts. But the GMs/players don't want to allow it again.

Midnight Oil said it. A Faksa fact
- DaveofYork

Talking Heads said it first

Faksa simple and Faksa straight
Faksa lazy and Faksa late
Faksa comes with points of view
Faksa don't do what I want him to

Go ahead, jump
- DaveofYork

No, not me. I have faith. I wasn't even upset after the game last night. It's a win win for me. I want them to win, but the experience at this point is just as valuable.

It's simple, really. If signing Stamkos doesn't put you over the top, doesn't guarantee you a cup win, and prohibits your ability to do anything else in Free Agency, it's a detrimental move. It prevents you from upgrading anywhere else other than the draft; which clearly shouldn't be our only avenue of team improvement.

Instead, you stick with the plan, hope to find the next Panarin, and continue to build. If you don't find Panarin (which you likely won't), at least you will have solidified the other roles on the team. At that point, you go ahead and pull the trigger for you sniper or whatever you want.

Some teams should love the idea of signing Stamkos at this juncture of their team's progression. I just don't think the Flyers are one of them.
- steelydan

He makes a lot of sense for teams without a 1C. I think Toronto will get him by offering 7 x 11.

It's simple, really. If signing Stamkos doesn't put you over the top, doesn't guarantee you a cup win, and prohibits your ability to do anything else in Free Agency, it's a detrimental move. It prevents you from upgrading anywhere else other than the draft; which clearly shouldn't be our only avenue of team improvement.

Instead, you stick with the plan, hope to find the next Panarin, and continue to build. If you don't find Panarin (which you likely won't), at least you will have solidified the other roles on the team. At that point, you go ahead and pull the trigger for you sniper or whatever you want.

Some teams should love the idea of signing Stamkos at this juncture of their team's progression. I just don't think the Flyers are one of them.
- steelydan

Neither does your way.

But on one hand Stamkos is a know quantity where picks and prospects and European FA's aren't.

For every Panarin there is a Jrir Dopita.

With Stamkos age he can be part of the plan for the now and future. He doesn't cost you picks and he fills a need.

I don't know why there is this set order of:

Draft, develop, once better sign FA.

Go ahead, jump
- DaveofYork

Game 6 sucked, but the point is that losing Game 1 against a better team in bad fashion isn't a guarantee of getting swept.
- jmatchett383

Hey, you pulled me in. I totally grok the situation.

I'm hoping there's truth to be born from it.

I'm afraid that might be the best game they had to give considering how they finished the season over the final couple weeks.

Actually, he was on the 08/09 Flyers, they didn't play Pittsburgh in 09/10. But you get the idea...I hope.
- jmatchett383

whoops messed up the year
when you have
Carter Richards Gagne Giroux Knuble Hartnell Briere replaced with Giroux Raffl Read Voracek (sucks now) Couturier (can't score for his life) Schenn what are you going to do

scumbag flyers fans

complain about how scoring sucks

laugh/scoff at the thought of signing stamkos

No, not me. I have faith. I wasn't even upset after the game last night. It's a win win for me. I want them to win, but the experience at this point is just as valuable.
- hockeylover

I agree on the experience. If the worst is realized, it points out even further the need for size and scoring on this squad