Pretty good guy! Getting better every day! You?
- MnGump

All good. Great to hear you're on the way up!

Thanks buddy! Glad to see the Hawks get back on track!

THE cardinal sin in officiating hockey is to make the wrong call on a play leading to a goal.

You can almost forget everything else.

Review allowed the right call to be made based upon the rules as written in both instances last night.

The fact it only took three days in to use review, and that it happened twice in one night merely illuminates how many calls could be missed without review.

The game is now too fast to leave it all to human fallibility.

Shaw was in the blue paint and Shattenkirk pushed him from behind with a crosscheck into Elliott. And then Brouwer violently crosschecked Seabrook to the ice.

So lets be hypothetical for a minute - say the goal was disallowed. Do you think the refs would have called 2 crosschecking penalties on the Blues on that play? Seriously doubt it, but they would have been warranted.

And that's why the application of the NHL rule book is a joke. I don't know what goaltender interference is and neither do you or the coaches or the players. It falls under 'it depends'.
- RickJ

Every word of this^^^^^^^.

You can argue against the coaches' challenge or what is technically offside or not. But both are part of the game and objectively, both were applied properly here.

Also agreed about what is subjectively a penalty or not.

Bouwmeester gets away with not just a slash but also a hook on the league's premier scorer on a breakaway—a chance he very possibly buries—no call(s).

Seems like some want to have it both ways.

It sucks for any team that has to lose that way, but the rules are the rules.

I, for one, would like to see the rules applied with reasonable uniformity and consistency and LESS left to the "discretion" of the refs. I always have felt that way, too.

Well let's face it JT, playoff officiating in the NHL is a made up work of fiction in the first place. Why on earth the rules of the game seemingly take on a whole new and different meaning in the post season as compared to the regular season is an enigma in and of its self. Pretty much the only pro sport to allow different interpretations of the rules from game to game. Way way too much discretion given to officials.

That being said you can't hardly sit by and argue a bad call is made on a legit offsides play (no matter how miniscule). Everyone wanted replay/coaches challenge and now many are ruing the decision when the calls don't go their way. You can argue til you're blue in the face, but if a replay shows a legit missed call and the call is reversed you cant say it's a bad rule.

Missed/bad calls happen all to often every game, it's completely counter intuitive to star griping about legit missed calls being reversed by replay.
- MnGump

And this ^^^^^^

You stand in front of the net anything goes...you're grasping.



- Garnie

You cross check a player into your own goalie and it helps the puck go in then its you're own fault..... you're grasping

Let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

1) The Dahlbeck and a 1st trade for Vermette was idiotic, even though Vermette scored 2 playoff game winners, was money in the faceoff circle, and helped Chicago win the Cup.

Despite a couple lucky bounces, Vermette played terribly. Dahlbeck ended up being horrible, and wasting a late first barely matters when you won the Cup. So bad trade, but irrelevant.

2) The Seabrook extension was idiotic.

In the context of keeping a key player, it probably made some sense, but Seabrook is basically Dion Phaneuf in a more fortunate situation and definitely overpaid.


3) The Duncan Keith suspension of 6 games was idiotic.

Idiotic doesn't cover it. It was an abomination on par with the worst decision the NHL ever made.

4) The overturned Blues' goal was idiotic.

Correct.

Hilarious.
- MartiniMan

Every word of this^^^^^^^.

You can argue against the coaches' challenge or what is technically offside or not. But both are part of the game and objectively, both were applied properly here.

Also agreed about what is subjectively a penalty or not.

Bouwmeester gets away with not just a slash but also a hook on the league's premier scorer on a breakaway—a chance he very possibly buries—no call(s).

Seems like some want to have it both ways.

It sucks for any team that has to lose that way, but the rules are the rules.

I, for one, would like to see the rules applied with reasonable uniformity and consistency and LESS left to the "discretion" of the refs. I always have felt that way, too.
- John Jaeckel

I believe that the rules are the rules is not an argument in a league where the rules change everysingle year. All video replay is stupid and every single decision should be made on the ice by people. If they get it wrong, they get it wrong.

However, wheather a play is fractionally offside has nothing to do with why there is an offside rule anyways.