Carcus it was bad really bad I mean I almost flipped my coffee table

I mean BAD
- sycsam

Well, it at least was waranted.

There is not a difinative shot that shows the back skate coming up where you can tell exactly where the puck is at that moment. Because of 3 factors with the view that they have used and not provided another:

1 - Camera angle is inside the blue line looking out. The angle of the camera is at least 15% off from straight down the line.
2 - The puck is not on the ice, it is off the ice. It is hard to tell by how much because the reverse angle you can't even see the puck at all. (angle that was shown real time)
3 - The puck is not right against the boards. The chip pass hits the boards and comes back towards Lehtera as it is crossing the line. Lehtera is around 5 or so feet from the boards, so the puck is probably around 2 feet from the boards or so.

When you take the still shot of his back skate coming off the ice, the puck LOOKS like it is just getting the to the blue line. That would be accurate if the puck was on the ice, against the boards, and looking straight down the blue line.

But if you pan the camera to the right so that it looks straight down, and pinpoint exactly where on the ice the puck actually is (in the air, off of the boards) the actual location of that puck is pulled to the left of where the screenshot LOOKS like it is.

Is the puck 100% over the line? I am not sure. Is the puck 100% not across the line? I am not sure on that either.

So there really had to be another clear angle that they aren't providing to reverse the goal.

All of that said, I have ZERO confidence that those factors where even looked at. This is all ignoring the fact that his front foot is not down either in the offensive zone until the puck is clearly in the zone from the bad angle, which would mean it would be even further in the zone if camera angle is shifted to look straight down the line.

And they are trying to figure this all out on a 7 inch tablet. Which makes NO SENSE.

I am not dropping this until there is a camera shot shown that gives a clearer picture than the one we have, as that is not conclusive.

Well, it at least was waranted.

There is not a difinative shot that shows the back skate coming up where you can tell exactly where the puck is at that moment. Because of 3 factors with the view that they have used and not provided another:

1 - Camera angle is inside the blue line looking out. The angle of the camera is at least 15% off from straight down the line.
2 - The puck is not on the ice, it is off the ice. It is hard to tell by how much because the reverse angle you can't even see the puck at all. (angle that was shown real time)
3 - The puck is not right against the boards. The chip pass hits the boards and comes back towards Lehtera as it is crossing the line. Lehtera is around 5 or so feet from the boards, so the puck is probably around 2 feet from the boards or so.

When you take the still shot of his back skate coming off the ice, the puck LOOKS like it is just getting the to the blue line. That would be accurate if the puck was on the ice, against the boards, and looking straight down the blue line.

But if you pan the camera to the right so that it looks straight down, and pinpoint exactly where on the ice the puck actually is (in the air, off of the boards) the actual location of that puck is pulled to the left of where the screenshot LOOKS like it is.

Is the puck 100% over the line? I am not sure. Is the puck 100% not across the line? I am not sure on that either.

So there really had to be another clear angle that they aren't providing to reverse the goal.

All of that said, I have ZERO confidence that those factors where even looked at. This is all ignoring the fact that his front foot is not down either in the offensive zone until the puck is clearly in the zone from the bad angle, which would mean it would be even further in the zone if camera angle is shifted to look straight down the line.

And they are trying to figure this all out on a 7 inch tablet. Which makes NO SENSE.

I am not dropping this until there is a camera shot shown that gives a clearer picture than the one we have, as that is not conclusive.
- carcus

So the future is panoramic cameras inside the ice looking up (goal lines and blue lines)?

So the future is panoramic cameras inside the ice looking up (goal lines and blue lines)?
- Jason Millen

I don't know what they should do.

Maybe at least have the new cameras that they just installed on the blue lines be better than a cell phone camera.

I saw one replay that briefly showed a view from one and you couldn't even make out the puck, it was so dark and grainy.

What a waste!

They could at least have multiple cameras that are all synced on a dvr. One from above looking straight down on the blue line so that you can freeze the play as soon as the puck fully crosses the line.

Then view the play from the other angles available to show if the skates/etc were onside on the play as the puck is just crossing the line.

They have overhead views of the goal line. There should be the same over both blue lines as well.

Want games that start earlier than 8:30

Get to the second round
- sycsam

That's what I'm wondering though, would it make any difference in round 2? They'll still be competing with the Eastern games.

I'm on EST so the 3rd period is already starting around 11:30 for me, OT really takes a dump on my sleep.

That's what I'm wondering though, would it make any difference in round 2? They'll still be competing with the Eastern games.

I'm on EST so the 3rd period is already starting around 11:30 for me, OT really takes a dump on my sleep.
- Blue Clam

Take a 17 minute nap between periods

Well, it at least was waranted.

There is not a difinative shot that shows the back skate coming up where you can tell exactly where the puck is at that moment. Because of 3 factors with the view that they have used and not provided another:

1 - Camera angle is inside the blue line looking out. The angle of the camera is at least 15% off from straight down the line.
2 - The puck is not on the ice, it is off the ice. It is hard to tell by how much because the reverse angle you can't even see the puck at all. (angle that was shown real time)
3 - The puck is not right against the boards. The chip pass hits the boards and comes back towards Lehtera as it is crossing the line. Lehtera is around 5 or so feet from the boards, so the puck is probably around 2 feet from the boards or so.

When you take the still shot of his back skate coming off the ice, the puck LOOKS like it is just getting the to the blue line. That would be accurate if the puck was on the ice, against the boards, and looking straight down the blue line.

But if you pan the camera to the right so that it looks straight down, and pinpoint exactly where on the ice the puck actually is (in the air, off of the boards) the actual location of that puck is pulled to the left of where the screenshot LOOKS like it is.

Is the puck 100% over the line? I am not sure. Is the puck 100% not across the line? I am not sure on that either.

So there really had to be another clear angle that they aren't providing to reverse the goal.

All of that said, I have ZERO confidence that those factors where even looked at. This is all ignoring the fact that his front foot is not down either in the offensive zone until the puck is clearly in the zone from the bad angle, which would mean it would be even further in the zone if camera angle is shifted to look straight down the line.

And they are trying to figure this all out on a 7 inch tablet. Which makes NO SENSE.

I am not dropping this until there is a camera shot shown that gives a clearer picture than the one we have, as that is not conclusive.
- carcus

It wasn't just the disallowed goal on Tank it was the trip on Tank and the subsequent slashing penalty and the whole Goalie interference and I was about to hulk out in my apartment

I don't know what the solution is but I do know that there was no definitive proof that he was offside and if the War Room or linesman used a frame by fram why didn't NBCSN?

I agree he was probably offside but there was ZERO definitive proof that should have overturned the goal

Just like if they had ruled him offside originally there is no definitive proof of him being on side

So for people to state that he was clearly off side is mind boggling to me

That's what I'm wondering though, would it make any difference in round 2? They'll still be competing with the Eastern games.

I'm on EST so the 3rd period is already starting around 11:30 for me, OT really takes a dump on my sleep.
- Blue Clam

I would guess that in the second round there is a WC night and an EC night

Its been a long time since the blues have been in round 2 thatI don't really know how they do it

I don't know what they should do.

Maybe at least have the new cameras that they just installed on the blue lines be better than a cell phone camera.

I saw one replay that briefly showed a view from one and you couldn't even make out the puck, it was so dark and grainy.

What a waste!
- carcus

They talked on the broadcast about how Toronto had access to the camera feeds that we couldn't see that were right on the blue lines and then, like you said, they show one still-shot from this supposed super-special feed and it looks like the Zapruder film.

Making the offside call something that can be challenged by coaches I think is going to be a mistake.

It's turning a game if inches into a game of microseconds. And if you're a coach, why wouldn't you do what Q did? In a game turning, decisive goal, just throw up the challenge and see if you get the call.

Here is what I think needs to happen w review.

1. All reviews are done by Toronto.
2. Coaches can only review scoring plays.
3. Can only review the immediate play/ player resulting in a goal.

They talked on the broadcast about how Toronto had access to the camera feeds that we couldn't see that were right on the blue lines and then, like you said, they show one still-shot from this supposed super-special feed and it looks like the Zapruder film.

Making the offside call something that can be challenged by coaches I think is going to be a mistake.

It's turning a game if inches into a game of microseconds. And if you're a coach, why wouldn't you do what Q did? In a game turning, decisive goal, just throw up the challenge and see if you get the call.
- bcallaway

If you have your OT and the other team scores late in the 3rd or in OT you should challenge regardless.

I don't know what they should do.

Maybe at least have the new cameras that they just installed on the blue lines be better than a cell phone camera.

I saw one replay that briefly showed a view from one and you couldn't even make out the puck, it was so dark and grainy.

What a waste!
- carcus

Yeah, that replay was pretty weird. It came on screen for a split second, I wasn't even sure if they got to a point where the puck crossed the line, then the replay was gone, never to be seen again.

Watching it, I believed he was just barely offside but I was purely watching the back foot, it didn't occur to me at all that both feet could be off the ice. I kind of wonder if anyone outside of this forum even thought of that.

I would guess that in the second round there is a WC night and an EC night

Its been a long time since the blues have been in round 2 thatI don't really know how they do it


- sycsam

Round 2 has 4 series. I think you could see the East series split and be the early game both nights. The West series could be split and be the late game. Of course, building schedules will impact this thankfully.

If you have your OT and the other team scores late in the 3rd or in OT you should challenge regardless.
- Gerk

Twitter was a blaze last night saying Gallant should have challenged the offsides in OT. What do you have to lose?

I think they have a much simpler fix on this millimeter challenge situation. If you initiate a challenge and lose, not only do you lose a timeout but you get a bench minor for delay of game. Maybe you exclude 1 goalie interference challenge per game from the penalty.

Also, set a face-off time requirement after a goal like on icing. You better be pretty certain and you better decide right away if you want to challenge.

Twitter was a blaze last night saying Gallant should have challenged the offsides in OT. What do you have to lose?

I think they have a much simpler fix on this millimeter challenge situation. If you initiate a challenge and lose, not only do you lose a timeout but you get a bench minor for delay of game. Maybe you exclude 1 goalie interference challenge per game from the penalty.

Also, set a face-off time requirement after a goal like on icing. You better be pretty certain and you better decide right away if you want to challenge.
- Jason Millen

Then just get rid of it cause you wont see anyone challenge anymore.

Then just get rid of it cause you wont see anyone challenge anymore.
- Gerk

I was never that big of a fan of it just like the NFL version. if you want to use it to call blatantly wrong off sides, fine.

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I was never that big of a fan of it just like the NFL version. if you want to use it to call blatantly wrong off sides, fine.

Think this play



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- Jason Millen

The nature of the rule IMO is to fix egregious errors by the linesman

The human element should still be part of the game

I mean Tim Peel is still allowed to ref

I was never that big of a fan of it just like the NFL version. if you want to use it to call blatantly wrong off sides, fine.

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- Jason Millen

That's why it was implemented but to fix something like this you should just fire or suspend a linesman that can't make this call.....

Guru's been banned unitl May 16.

Commenting on Paul Stewart's blog.

I guess he didn't heed my warning.

Fizbo is heading to the scene now for complete coverage.....

Guru's been banned unitl May 16.

Commenting on Paul Stewart's blog.

I guess he didn't heed my warning.

Fizbo is heading to the scene now for complete coverage.....
- bcallaway

Wonder when he got the boot he hasn't been around lately

wonder which blog from "The Invisible One" he got booted for

Here is what I think needs to happen w review.

1. All reviews are done by Toronto.
2. Coaches can only review scoring plays.
3. Can only review the immediate play/ player resulting in a goal.
- Gerk

Also make the blue line thinner. A thinner line will reduce some of the ambiguity. But why should Offside be a reviewable call at all. How often do they get it wrong -- maybe 5% of the time?

Also make the blue line thinner. A thinner line will reduce some of the ambiguity. But why should Offside be a reviewable call at all. How often do they get it wrong -- maybe 5% of the time?
- etchtech

Funny you should ask

I just read something on this

Off-sides was reviewed 99 times this season

62 upheld and 37 ruled no goal

So based only on the Video Replays they get it wrong 37% of the time

Wonder when he got the boot he hasn't been around lately

wonder which blog from "The Invisible One" he got booted for
- sycsam

Oh, the humanity!!

.....words escape me right now.

I'm going to need a moment.

Funny you should ask

I just read something on this

Off-sides was reviewed 99 times this season

62 upheld and 37 ruled no goal

So based only on the Video Replays they get it wrong 37% of the time
- sycsam

wow -- I guess they should keep the reviews, or get better refs

Funny you should ask

I just read something on this

Off-sides was reviewed 99 times this season

62 upheld and 37 ruled no goal

So based only on the Video Replays they get it wrong 37% of the time
- sycsam

Holy Mackrel.


That's outrageous. I do not believe this should be reviewable.

I read elsewhere an idea I like - if you challenge and lose the challenge its a 2 minute delay of game penalty.