That's why I phrased it the way I did.
- Blue Clam

How so? They missed more than 37 for sure.

I thought we had one where we challenged and it was overturned.
- carcus

Did we? I couldn't find any stat sheet that kept track of all the challenges.

If the NHL is really concerned about this, why not closely track every single zone entry so they can review the accuracy of their linesmen internally and demote the guys with the worst record and keep only the best for playoff games?

Did we? I couldn't find any stat sheet that kept track of all the challenges.

If the NHL is really concerned about this, why not closely track every single zone entry so they can review the accuracy of their linesmen internally and demote the guys with the worst record and keep only the best for playoff games?
- fattyboubatty

I think they do something like this.

They just don't make it available for the public.

They choose which refs and linesman are working the playoffs based on their regular season games and how they were graded.

I think they do something like this.

They just don't make it available for the public.

They choose which refs and linesman are working the playoffs based on their regular season games and how they were graded.
- carcus

Yeah you're probably right, I know they do that with the refs, although Tim Peel made the grade so I don't know how much stock you can put in their grading process. I will say, I don't ever recall watching a playoff game cursing the linesman for a blown call leading to a goal.

Anybody letting a player go 6 inches plus off side should be fired but if you're talking centimeters or millimeters, it's close enough.

The fact that they had 99 reviews when it can only be reviewed on a play that had a goal scored right after is amazing actually.

That is a lot. I didn't expect anything near that many chances when I heard they were starting to review. Let alone 37 goals called back because they were really offside. (and by really offside, I mean maybe offside)


- carcus

Again, it sounds a lot worse than it really is. We're talking about over 6500 goals scored in the season. Of those, teams felt inclined to challenge 99.

37/6500 ~= 0.6% of goals scored were overturned on a challenge. Not exactly insignificant when you consider how many goals were simply not reviewable. Worth killing the game with a challenge though?

I go back to my previous post, when you challenge offside it should be a blatant offside. Set up a minimum distance past the line that the player has to be in order to overturn the call on the ice. Anything under that minimum distance is subject to human error and, under review, players within the minimum distance will be judged onside. Anything that looks like it's near the minimum distance will be offside.

How so? They missed more than 37 for sure.
- carcus

37/100 000 000 000, zone entries proven to have been called incorrect on the season.

- Blue Clam

Proven being the operative word. (although proven isn't always proven as we've seen)

37 Proven wrong calls
62 Proven correct calls
99 999 999 901 Inconclusive and unchallenged

Again, it sounds a lot worse than it really is. We're talking about over 6500 goals scored in the season. Of those, teams felt inclined to challenge 99.

37/6500 ~= 0.6% of goals scored were overturned on a challenge. Not exactly insignificant when you consider how many goals were simply not reviewable. Worth killing the game with a challenge though?

I go back to my previous post, when you challenge offside it should be a blatant offside. Set up a minimum distance past the line that the player has to be in order to overturn the call on the ice. Anything under that minimum distance is subject to human error and, under review, players within the minimum distance will be judged onside. Anything that looks like it's near the minimum distance will be offside.
- Blue Clam

They could make it real simple. Just get rid of the off side challenge altogether.

They could make it real simple. Just get rid of the off side challenge altogether.
- fattyboubatty

I like that plan as well.

Proven being the operative word. (although proven isn't always proven as we've seen)

37 Proven wrong calls
62 Proven correct calls
99 999 999 901 Inconclusive and unchallenged
- Blue Clam

The thing is, of those 37 disallowed goals, how many of them really would not have been scored if the player actually stayed on side? I'd say you could count them on one hand, if any at all.

The thing is, of those 37 disallowed goals, how many of them really would not have been scored if the player actually stayed on side? I'd say you could count them on one hand, if any at all.
- fattyboubatty

Put my rule in place and it's probably 5 max, and 60 fewer challenges.

The Cardinals played Chelsea Dagger at the game tonight.

The Cardinals played Chelsea Dagger at the game tonight.


- Jason Millen

And I am glad I am not a cardinals fan because they would have lost me with that

WTF someone should be fired for that

And I am glad I am not a cardinals fan because they would have lost me with that

WTF someone should be fired for that
- sycsam

F#@k the Cardinals. Yeah I said it.

An example of how theses offside calls are regularly missed, go back and look at the Upshall offside call where Lehtera was clearing the zone and Upshall entered and was right on a defenseman who just got possession of the puck.

Looked offside and was blown dead. If you slow it down and look, Lehtera's skate gets to the blue line to tag up before Upshall fully enters the zone.

They get these calls wrong every game.

An example of how theses offside calls are regularly missed, go back and look at the Upshall offside call where Lehtera was clearing the zone and Upshall entered and was right on a defenseman who just got possession of the puck.

Looked offside and was blown dead. If you slow it down and look, Lehtera's skate gets to the blue line to tag up before Upshall fully enters the zone.

They get these calls wrong every game.
- carcus

I think the offisides review needs to go away

Leave some human element in the game

It is weird that its only reviewable if a goal is scored.

I think video replay is good for some things but not off sides

I am a fully in favor of Major Penalties being reviewed and goalie interference but not offsides

And yes if the blues had benefits from these calls like the Hawks did I would be saying the same thing

A game should not be negatively impacted by a millimeter

An example of how theses offside calls are regularly missed, go back and look at the Upshall offside call where Lehtera was clearing the zone and Upshall entered and was right on a defenseman who just got possession of the puck.

Looked offside and was blown dead. If you slow it down and look, Lehtera's skate gets to the blue line to tag up before Upshall fully enters the zone.

They get these calls wrong every game.
- carcus

if the opposing team gets possession of the puck and carries ot back into their zone they negate off sides.

also the question i have is why doesn't the nhl utilize a simple video program sweet that takes the physics elements into play that translates a two dimensional data stream into 3D data that could predict based on speed of puck and player, shadows, and thenlikely placement in space over time of the two? It is not that difficult to have a prgram like that.

if the opposing team gets possession of the puck and carries ot back into their zone they negate off sides.

also the question i have is why doesn't the nhl utilize a simple video program sweet that takes the physics elements into play that translates a two dimensional data stream into 3D data that could predict based on speed of puck and player, shadows, and thenlikely placement in space over time of the two? It is not that difficult to have a prgram like that.
- BluemanGuruu

How did you get out of jail?

How did you get out of jail?
- bcallaway

Fizbo must be a great lawyer

Fizbo must be a great lawyer
- sycsam

Fizbo didn't do squat for me.....

Fizbo didn't do squat for me.....
- bcallaway

Wonder what you did to tick him off?

Is there any question that this is one of if not the most important game in recent memory for the blues tonight?

Win and you have a strangle hold

Lose but play well the confidence should still be there

Lose and get blown away and doubt starts to creep in

I for one wish it was 8:30 now and not 11

Is there any question that this is one of if not the most important game in recent memory for the blues tonight?

Win and you have a strangle hold

Lose but play well the confidence should still be there

Lose and get blown away and doubt starts to creep in

I for one wish it was 8:30 now and not 11
- sycsam

This could be a big one, but I think game 5 back in St. Louis will be the pivotal, series changing game regardless of what happens tonight.


I think Bernie said this morning that seven times in the Q era, Chicago has been down in a series 2-1 and in six of those series, they won game 4, so this is nothing new for them.

(And is my memory correct? Where that one loss came in, were they down 3-1 in a series against Detroit and came all the way back to win that one???)

Am I mis-remembering?

This could be a big one, but I think game 5 back in St. Louis will be the pivotal, series changing game regardless of what happens tonight.


I think Bernie said this morning that seven times in the Q era, Chicago has been down in a series 2-1 and in six of those series, they won game 4, so this is nothing new for them.

(And is my memory correct? Where that one loss came in, were they down 3-1 in a series against Detroit and came all the way back to win that one???)

Am I mis-remembering?





- bcallaway

That is correct

I don't think by any stretch of the imagination that this game is must win but it is super important

I think the more opportunities you have to eliminate Chicago the better

The games only get tougher from here

if the opposing team gets possession of the puck and carries ot back into their zone they negate off sides.

also the question i have is why doesn't the nhl utilize a simple video program sweet that takes the physics elements into play that translates a two dimensional data stream into 3D data that could predict based on speed of puck and player, shadows, and thenlikely placement in space over time of the two? It is not that difficult to have a prgram like that.
- BluemanGuruu

Ha Guru did you do what I said?

Same lineup

Steen and Fabbri flip lines

Schwartz Lehtera Tarasenko
Steen Statsny Brouwer
Fabbri Berglund Backes
Upshall Brodziak Ott
Pietrangelo Bouw
Shatty Edmundson
Parayko Gunnar
Ells

Looks like Runblad might be in for Hawks