were gona be poop next year too
- mauryballstein

and the year after, and the year after.

Was it a tank or was it injuries?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Very close to the beginning of the year I told Belcher that I thought they would finish 7 th in the draft. That was before a lot of injuries. Most had them pegged 14-18 th at the start. They were an aging team with no promise.

This year will be different

and the year after, and the year after.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I think they are a playoff team this coming year

Very close to the beginning of the year I told Belcher that I thought they would finish 7 th in the draft. That was before a lot of injuries. Most had them pegged 14-18 th at the start. They were an aging team with no promise.

This year will be different
- VANTEL

You came close...hard for me to predict where they end up without knowing what additions we have but if we subtract Hamhuis and continue to get younger I can't see a significant improvement even if we are healthier.

You came close...hard for me to predict where they end up without knowing what additions we have but if we subtract Hamhuis and continue to get younger I can't see a significant improvement even if we are healthier.
- belcherbd

I trust Benning to fill holes. He does t sleep. We don't know who he is going to bring in but I have faith

This isn't baseball. Score some (frank)ing goals first
- CanuckDon

We've got Boeser, JV and Bo, among others, that are learning how to score consistantly at the NHL level, it takes time(hence the name rebuild). What we don't have is young guys learning how to defend (unless you call what Hutton does defending, which to me it does not appear to be) that look like future d-men leading this team. Outside of the top-4 players, I hope JB does trade down to get a d-man and an additional pick that can be another potential building block. Were not making the playoffs or solving being the worst scoring team in the league in one summer, sorry chap.

Very close to the beginning of the year I told Belcher that I thought they would finish 7 th in the draft. That was before a lot of injuries. Most had them pegged 14-18 th at the start. They were an aging team with no promise.

This year will be different
- VANTEL

Why? They scored the fewest goals in the league and have bad defense, I think JB will address these issues to an extent, but the only real way up is a few years of being down. As in we need many pieces, and many of them will take time to make it in to the lineup and be effective. Chemistry and learning systems also takes time-like more than one summer type of time.

Why? They scored the fewest goals in the league and have bad defense, I think JB will address these issues to an extent, but the only real way up is a few years of being down. As in we need many pieces, and many of them will take time to make it in to the lineup and be effective. Chemistry and learning systems also takes time-like more than one summer type of time.
- neem55

Why ?

Because they won't bring back the main causes of the problem .

Add up Burrows Vrbata Prust Higgins and Hamhuis salary and see if it is worth their point production?

Replacing them with better players will go a long way.

We've got Boeser, JV and Bo, among others, that are learning how to score consistantly at the NHL level, it takes time(hence the name rebuild). What we don't have is young guys learning how to defend (unless you call what Hutton does defending, which to me it does not appear to be) that look like future d-men leading this team. Outside of the top-4 players, I hope JB does trade down to get a d-man and an additional pick that can be another potential building block. Were not making the playoffs or solving being the worst scoring team in the league in one summer, sorry chap.
- neem55

Son, we can't score goals period. Boeser is the only player in the pipeline (including current roster) that has the potential to be a first line scorer. He may bust, we don't know yet. They need young goal scoring prospects more than anything. You can find D in the later rounds. Drafting a D in the first round would be idiotic. BPA
Also, I pay to watch the games, I want to be (frank)ing entertained. Keeping the puck out of our net doesn't entertain me. Goals do

In/ Out


Okposo Vrbata

McGinn Burrows

Martin Prust


Yandle Hamhuis


I threw names in there but anyone can be replaced by someone of that style . Doesn't have to be the ones I listed but you can see it can improve the team immediately by shipping out the deadwood and bringing in replacements.

Why ?

Because they won't bring back the main causes of the problem .

Add up Burrows Vrbata Prust Higgins and Hamhuis salary and see if it is worth their point production?

Replacing them with better players will go a long way.
- VANTEL

I'm all for not bringing those players back, but I don't see how we end up being better or scoring more goals. It comes down to who we replace them with. If it's kids, I expect them to be learning and thus be inconsistent (just like Bo, JV, McCann, Sven and Hutton were this year). I'm all for a young lineup next year, but expecting that lineup to be a winning one seems a little over the top to me.

I'm all for not bringing those players back, but I don't see how we end up being better or scoring more goals. It comes down to who we replace them with. If it's kids, I expect them to be learning and thus be inconsistent (just like Bo, JV, McCann, Sven and Hutton were this year). I'm all for a young lineup next year, but expecting that lineup to be a winning one seems a little over the top to me.
- neem55

You have over twenty million in your pocket to go out and fix things

Son, we can't score goals period. Boeser is the only player in the pipeline (including current roster) that has the potential to be a first line scorer. He may bust, we don't know yet. They need young goal scoring prospects more than anything. You can find D in the later rounds. Drafting a D in the first round would be idiotic. BPA
Also, I pay to watch the games, I want to be (frank)ing entertained. Keeping the puck out of our net doesn't entertain me. Goals do
- CanuckDon

I think Bo get's 20 next year and JV over 10, we still miss the playoffs. The players will grow and get better, maybe you don't see anyone doing better. The best d in the league largely are picked in the first round, this is just a straight-up statistical fact. Have a look. Think of the 10 best defenseman in your opinion and let's see where they are drafted. If you're being honest it will be over 50% first rounders.

You have over twenty million in your pocket to go out and fix things
- VANTEL

I don't really think this team has the core to win next year do you?

I don't really think this team has the core to win next year do you?
- neem55

Hank was injured most of the year . Sutter the same and add Edler to the list .

That's your best player , best Dman and second line centre injured most of the year.

Why ?

Because they won't bring back the main causes of the problem .

Add up Burrows Vrbata Prust Higgins and Hamhuis salary and see if it is worth their point production?

Replacing them with better players will go a long way.
- VANTEL

We just need our own Erik Karlsson, but they don't grow on trees. I think the plan is to give Larsen a shot at the PP QB before going the RFA OS route.

You have over twenty million in your pocket to go out and fix things
- VANTEL

It's not simple, there's 29 other teams trying to get better too. Two more years of non-playoffs boys, sorry I'm the cynic but I just don't see this lineup as a contender until Bo is well into his career and we've got some great d in the back end.

I think Bo get's 20 next year and JV over 10, we still miss the playoffs. The players will grow and get better, maybe you don't see anyone doing better. The best d in the league largely are picked in the first round, this is just a straight-up statistical fact. Have a look. Think of the 10 best defenseman in your opinion and let's see where they are drafted. If you're being honest it will be over 50% first rounders.
- neem55

Many of the top D are selected in the second round or later. That's a fact if you are being honest. I dont have the time or desire to rehash an argument that has been debated for years. You would select Juolevi (or whoever) before any of Matthews, Pulj, Laine, Dubois or Tcachuk? That's crazy. I'm not saying we do not have good prospects, I envision Bo scoring 20 and JV 10-15. I don't see any players that will score 30-50. That's a serious problem. The Sedins are starting to slow down rapidly and we need offense badly

We just need our own Erik Karlsson, but they don't grow on trees. I think the plan is to give Larsen a shot at the PP QB before going the RFA OS route.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Getting rid of Bart Weber and Hamhuis will be a good start

Hank was injured most of the year . Sutter the same and add Edler to the list .

That's your best player , best Dman and second line centre injured most of the year.
- VANTEL

Yes, that's all true. I just don't see this as a team that's good enough to compete with or without those guys right now. Those guys aren't getting younger and contrary to what you might think, Sedin's stopped scoring half-way through the season and looked... old for a lack of a better word. No secondary scoring, I expect this to get slightly better. Bad defenseman, with the exception of the top-2, we do not have guys that can defend at the NHL level with Hammer leaving (although Sbisa is getting better). UFA's maybe, trades maybe.

I have a read a few people suggest that we will bounce back next year, or that this year is some kind of anomaly.

I don't know how you come to the conclusion that we won't suck next year too.
Sedin's are a year older.
Goalies remain the same most likely.
Injuries could be just as bad or worse.
Our D still sucks and no immediate reinforcements are coming.

Maybe things will look different after July 1st, but at this stage, i'm not optimistic.
- dbot

It took of a lot of things to happen to be 28th that prolly r highly unlikely to reoccur.
The PP will do better. Vrbata was much of the problem on our scoring drop off.
The injuries will not be so horrendous.
JB will address our depth. That was where we hurt most & can be improved.
Yes the Sedins r 1 yr older but i'm not worried about them.
All the kids being 1 yr older will ultimately decide where we end up.
Thats where my optimism lies so i see us as a playoff bubble team overall.

The problem is you have to over pay so a team won't match and your reward is giving up picks...perhaps if a team was rammed against the cap it could work but it's a long shot and not a realistic solution. But I appreciate you keep the conversation going
- CanuckDon

A 1st & 3rd is my limit for Lindholm & thats not an overpayment at all. 5.4m/6yrs
Anaheim is not a cap ceiling team & have other RFA's to sign.
At worst we force them to spend which is fine with me.

Edit.

The only players I would consider an offer sheet are franchise D...teams don't tend to let these players go. Lindholm? Vatannen? Trouba? Good young players but not worth overpaying and sacrificing a bunch of high picks. My opinion. My strong opinion
- CanuckDon

Hard to argue that but still worth trying. I agree an OS is rarely done & it doesn't matter if it sinks or swims when a solid key piece can be added. I would not bet against Lindholm remaining a Duck but leave no stone unturned then go for Vaatanen if no luck at a lesser price.

Many of the top D are selected in the second round or later. That's a fact if you are being honest. I don't have the time or desire to rehash an argument that has been debated for years. You would select Juolevi (or whoever) before any of Matthews, Pulj, Laine, Dubois or Tcachuk? That's crazy. I'm not saying we do not have good prospects, I envision Bo scoring 20 and JV 10-15. I don't see any players that will score 30-50. That's a serious problem. The Sedins are starting to slow down rapidly and we need offense badly
- CanuckDon

Why is it crazy? Tkachuk and Dubios are by no means consensus top-5 picks. I wouldn't pick d over the top-3, in fact I've said that several times.

Give me your top-20 d-men, I'll do the homework. No cheating

It's not simple, there's 29 other teams trying to get better too. Two more years of non-playoffs boys, sorry I'm the cynic but I just don't see this lineup as a contender until Bo is well into his career and we've got some great d in the back end.
- neem55

29 other teams don't have that much cap space with most of the team under contract already .

With our cap space for next year i cannot wait to see what predatory moves JB has up his sleeve. He might have much respect around the league idk but i'm down for him putting on the black hat if he pulls off a major coup.😂👊

It took of a lot of things to happen to be 28th that prolly r highly unlikely to reoccur.
The PP will do better. Vrbata was much of the problem on our scoring drop off.
The injuries will not be so horrendous.
JB will address our depth. That was where we hurt most & can be improved.
Yes the Sedins r 1 yr older but i'm not worried about them.
All the kids being 1 yr older will ultimately decide where we end up.
Thats where my optimism lies so i see us as a playoff bubble team overall.



A 1st & 3rd is my limit for Lindholm & thats not an overpayment at all. 5.4m/6yrs
Anaheim is not a cap ceiling team & have other RFA's to sign.
At worst we force them to spend which is fine with me.




Hard to argue that but still worth trying. I agree an OS is rarely done & it doesn't matter if it sinks or swims when a solid key piece can be added. I would not bet against Lindholm remaining a Duck but leave no stone unturned then go for Vaatanen if no luck at a lesser price.
- Nighthawk

I like Lindholm but Anaheim would match so what's the point? I don't think JB is the type of guy to try and drive his peers salaries up. Especially considering ANA has been his top trading partner lol