Todd Cordell: New Jersey Devils: Cory Schneider Snubbed In Vezina Voting

motivation for next year

With the talent distribution system, it's kind of sad that the New Jersey Devils get punished because of a goaltender playing his heart out. Credit to that first pairing, too... they're an excellent shut down duo.

We love Schneider... it's just too bad that's the way the system works.

Least goals for, (likely) picking 11th in the draft.

Pretty laughable idea that Quick was made a finalist over Schneider, but bound to happen while NJD is sitting near the bottom of the standings and everyone keeps watching LAK to see if they can get back to winning cups.

Schneider with better sv pct and GAA playing behind the 29th ranked possession team in the NHL while Quick played behind the #1 possession team in the NHL this year

I think had the voting been an NHL writers choice, they would have gotten it right. Problem is the NHL GMs dont scout rebuilding teams much or watch a lot of their games, especially the players who arent available like Schneider.

A team like the Kings get more attention from GMs not only because Lombardi has shuffled the deck more than a casino dealer in recent years regarding trades, but also because the GMs are keeping an eye on evaluating the Kings as to what to be worried about as a potential cup contender and how they need to size up against them. Quick got a reputation vote from too many GMs here

I wonder how many goalies have won the vezina without making it to the playoffs? It should be mandatory.

To make the playoffs to win the vezina? I don't get why the award for best goalie comes down to award to goalie with the best team in front of him lmao. How many games did either of those three win on their own and how many did the teams in front of them win for them.

This is a (frank)ing travesty! Sorry Corey, you deserved better!

Pretty laughable idea that Quick was made a finalist over Schneider, but bound to happen while NJD is sitting near the bottom of the standings and everyone keeps watching LAK to see if they can get back to winning cups.

Schneider with better sv pct and GAA playing behind the 29th ranked possession team in the NHL while Quick played behind the #1 possession team in the NHL this year

I think had the voting been an NHL writers choice, they would have gotten it right. Problem is the NHL GMs dont scout rebuilding teams much or watch a lot of their games, especially the players who arent available like Schneider.

A team like the Kings get more attention from GMs not only because Lombardi has shuffled the deck more than a casino dealer in recent years regarding trades, but also because the GMs are keeping an eye on evaluating the Kings as to what to be worried about as a potential cup contender and how they need to size up against them. Quick got a reputation vote from too many GMs here
- hawkeytalkman

Schneider had an excellent year, but he was a sub .500 goalie on a non playoff team. excellent numbers but to overcome losing record/no playoffs, a goalie has to have done something to completely separate himself from the pack, like a crazy save % or 9 shutouts or something like that. Schneider's numbers don't do that. so people look at Schneider's numbers, see them in the same realm as Bishop/Holtby and then make the decision from there.

Not surprised, all 3 of those other goalies were on playoff teams. They had good seasons, like you said, this is not a knock on them, but Corys numbers were better. It's unfortunate that his numbers will continue to get overlooked until New Jersey puts a playoff caliber team on the ice in front of him. Once they do though, if Cory is sill playing at the same level he is now, he should be able pull off a Vezina season. Cory has to be the most underrated goalie in the league. Anyway, doesn't matter, Holtby is taking home the hardware this year regardless. Hell of a year and even tied a HOFers record, pretty remarkable year.

Not surprised, all 3 of those other goalies were on playoff teams. They had good seasons, like you said, this is not a knock on them, but Corys numbers were better. It's unfortunate that his numbers will continue to get overlooked until New Jersey puts a playoff caliber team on the ice in front of him. Once they do though, if Cory is sill playing at the same level he is now, he should be able pull off a Vezina season. Cory has to be the most underrated goalie in the league. Anyway, doesn't matter, Holtby is taking home the hardware this year regardless. Hell of a year and even tied a HOFers record, pretty remarkable year.
- Youwont_noballs

i think their numbers all seemed quite close... like i said, Schneider doesn't separate himself from that pack in any way. i will say thought that Quick's numbers aren't all that Vezina-worthy... i imagine Holtby/Bishop top most ballots, with Quick leading a second pack of goalies that included Schneider.

Of course we'll never know, but it would be real interesting to see those goalies stats if they played on the Devils. Could be better or worse, but Cory certainly impresses me because he's really just settling into the starter roles these last couple seasons and he's become one of the best in the league on a team lacking talent nearly everywhere except his position.

The blog says it perfectly, it's not a knock on them. I would've liked to see his name on the ballot and lose from there. He deserves recognition and coaches/players across the league all realize he's on a nightly basis one of the best goalies in the league. When playing against the Devils and look at the scouting report, Cory is the first name mentioned.

Corey and Cory got snubbed. Plain and simple. Holtby was a lock, but Quick?


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I figured Crawford would have gotten the nomination over Quick. Good numbers on a good team.

How many goalies have been nominated from teams that don't make the playoffs? It seems this type of snub is par for the course to me.

Corey and Cory got snubbed. Plain and simple. Holtby was a lock, but Quick?


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- kinigitt

Quick's numbers have always looked bad due to the fact that the Kings limit shots against on such a large scale. However, most of the shots that are eliminated due to their team defense are of the low to medium danger variety, meaning Quick doesn't get a lot of easy shots against to pad his numbers.

Compare the high-danger save percentage of Quick to other goaltenders and I guarantee you that he's at the top of the league.

i think their numbers all seemed quite close... like i said, Schneider doesn't separate himself from that pack in any way. i will say thought that Quick's numbers aren't all that Vezina-worthy... i imagine Holtby/Bishop top most ballots, with Quick leading a second pack of goalies that included Schneider.
- DoubleDown

I don't understand this. His numbers by being in the top don't stand out to you ? Even though he is on the lowest scoring team in the nhl. So apparently if you are on a bad team to win the vezina you need to not only have top numbers with no help from the rest of you're team BUT you are also expected to be on a way worse team and put up way better numbers ? HOW? Would Holtby be in the conversation if he didnt play on one of the best teams in the league and even if you won't go that far he has like the highest goal support in the league. Quick is there because he is quick and they didn't want to have to throw someone new in so they picked a guy who everyone would agree is good despite having ok numbers.

Pretty laughable idea that Quick was made a finalist over Schneider, but bound to happen while NJD is sitting near the bottom of the standings and everyone keeps watching LAK to see if they can get back to winning cups.

Schneider with better sv pct and GAA playing behind the 29th ranked possession team in the NHL while Quick played behind the #1 possession team in the NHL this year

I think had the voting been an NHL writers choice, they would have gotten it right. Problem is the NHL GMs dont scout rebuilding teams much or watch a lot of their games, especially the players who arent available like Schneider.

A team like the Kings get more attention from GMs not only because Lombardi has shuffled the deck more than a casino dealer in recent years regarding trades, but also because the GMs are keeping an eye on evaluating the Kings as to what to be worried about as a potential cup contender and how they need to size up against them. Quick got a reputation vote from too many GMs here
- hawkeytalkman

I dont think so. Schneider had good peripherals but the Vezina also takes into account Wins. Quick, Holtby and Bishop had the best overall combinations of Wins, GAA, SV% and SHO. Their Winning percentages were really good too.

It isnt really that hard to see why a goalie with 58 GP 27 W 25 L 6 OTL 51% Winning percentage lost out to goalies with 40 wins and 62%+ winning %


Holtby Clearly wins. He won 84% of his games. That is just unreal.

I don't understand this. His numbers by being in the top don't stand out to you ? Even though he is on the lowest scoring team in the nhl. So apparently if you are on a bad team to win the vezina you need to not only have top numbers with no help from the rest of you're team BUT you are also expected to be on a way worse team and put up way better numbers ? HOW? Would Holtby be in the conversation if he didnt play on one of the best teams in the league and even if you won't go that far he has like the highest goal support in the league. Quick is there because he is quick and they didn't want to have to throw someone new in so they picked a guy who everyone would agree is good despite having ok numbers.
- blizzzard

With that logic though you might as well say Holtby shouldnt win the Vezina because he was on a better team. The Trophy is all about the stats. Other Goalies had more wins, more starts and a better winning percentage. If you argue that goalies do better because they are on a better team you can argue against Schnieder that because he was on a weaker team he faced more shots which inflated his SV%. Remember just because they face more shots does not mean those shots were dangerous. A team could have 50 shots but shoot from the perimeter and lose to a team with 10 shots that shot from good scoring locations

Nominations mean nothing. Winning is everything. So, who cares.

I don't understand this. His numbers by being in the top don't stand out to you ? Even though he is on the lowest scoring team in the nhl. So apparently if you are on a bad team to win the vezina you need to not only have top numbers with no help from the rest of you're team BUT you are also expected to be on a way worse team and put up way better numbers ? HOW? Would Holtby be in the conversation if he didnt play on one of the best teams in the league and even if you won't go that far he has like the highest goal support in the league. Quick is there because he is quick and they didn't want to have to throw someone new in so they picked a guy who everyone would agree is good despite having ok numbers.
- blizzzard

bolded 1: no, they blend in with the other guys at the top. that's why when it comes time to separate a bunch of guys with similar stats, people are going to separate them by wins and losses.

bolded 2: yes. that's exactly how it works. same thing with the Hart Trophy. if you're going to win it and finish out of the playoffs, you better have had a very special season.

Nominations mean nothing. Winning is everything. So, who cares.
- bballboy514

it's not even a nomination. it's not like a group picks 3 finalists and everyone votes on those 3. voters are free to vote for whoever they like, and the top 3 are announced as "finalists".

Is it even a big deal who the third nominee is? I mean aren't Holtby and Bishop fairly solidified as 1 and 2, respectively.

I dont think so. Schneider had good peripherals but the Vezina also takes into account Wins. Quick, Holtby and Bishop had the best overall combinations of Wins, GAA, SV% and SHO. Their Winning percentages were really good too.

It isnt really that hard to see why a goalie with 58 GP 27 W 25 L 6 OTL 51% Winning percentage lost out to goalies with 40 wins and 62%+ winning %


Holtby Clearly wins. He won 84% of his games. That is just unreal.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Niemi was tied for 2nd in wins across the league in 2013-14 with 39

His save percentage was .913. Good for T-26th

By that logic should Niemi have been a finalist because his wins were up there if it carries so much weight?

Conversely Quick was 2nd in wins this year with 40 and T-19th in sv pct with .918

Both clear examples of goalies having phenomenal teams in front of them padding their win columns

Quick's numbers have always looked bad due to the fact that the Kings limit shots against on such a large scale. However, most of the shots that are eliminated due to their team defense are of the low to medium danger variety, meaning Quick doesn't get a lot of easy shots against to pad his numbers.

Compare the high-danger save percentage of Quick to other goaltenders and I guarantee you that he's at the top of the league.
- tkecanuck341

Fine, and we'll just ignore his .886 save percentage and 3.04 GAA in the playoffs this year but I bet he got all the high-danger shots... Besides next to Queenie's .867% and 4.39 GAA he looks great.

Crawford screwed too. But I look at the bright side - one less bonus to pay in an already difficult cap situation.