Not you but this bothers me. I love when people say "these guys have feelings too, they are human, fans should realize that" and yet do you think these players really think about the fans?
- J35Bacher

I just hate that players (NHL players on one-way deals) have "short life spans" but will make more in 2-3 years that I will make during my entire life. Not shedding a tear for their financial woes.

you're right, it does. They wouldve saved 4.6 million by not taking back umberger. ironically about the same amount that they retained on vinny/schenn
- YuenglingJagr

What makes you think Hartnell with 5 years left was tradeable without taking a contract back?

Did CBJ move him for a pick or a prospect and I just missed it? He only has 3 years left now so theoretically that should inrease his value.

Damn we need the playoffs to end and free agency to come.

Maybe Caggulia can sign with the Flyers this week so we have another item to talk about.
- J35Bacher

Did someone say Caligula?!

Yesterday I wrote this: "I'm sitting nude and cross legged on S2TP's metal folding chair in front of his 12 TVs. They are not turned on right now, but I am staring at them drinking 7 day expired milk I found in his fridge. I am so comfortable."

I may or may not have eaten your Twizzlers. After drinking the milk I blacked out for 12 hours and awoke in Pat Burrell's recycling bin.
- Mononoke

Is that what he calls his bedroom? Because there's a whole lotta trash that passed through there.

What makes you think Hartnell with 5 years left was tradeable without taking a contract back?

Did CBJ move him for a pick or a prospect and I just missed it? He only has 3 years left now so theoretically that should inrease his value.
- Feanor

He is also 2 years older, which is a big deal for a power forward in his 30s.

I just hate that players (NHL players on one-way deals) have "short life spans" but will make more in 2-3 years that I will make during my entire life. Not shedding a tear for their financial woes.
- jmatchett383

People and this "I feel bad for Umberger but he was a good soldier".

He got paid millions to just practice hockey and play some games. I can be a good soldier for that.

So is Jon Snow's wolf dead? That's all I care about. I stopped watching after season 3.

I left my twizzlers at home
- Streit2ThePoint

twizzlers have a much higher fat content than i ever imagined

So is Jon Snow's wolf dead? That's all I care about. I stopped watching after season 3.
- mayorofangrytown

no

So is Jon Snow's wolf dead? That's all I care about. I stopped watching after season 3.
- mayorofangrytown

his wolf got stripped bare and had to walk across the city with everyone laughing and pointing at it...got its nuts cut off...and rode a dragon until it turned blind...youre all caught up

What makes you think Hartnell with 5 years left was tradeable without taking a contract back?

Did CBJ move him for a pick or a prospect and I just missed it? He only has 3 years left now so theoretically that should inrease his value.
- Feanor

I'm sure he is trade-able. Just needs to be the right price. There's a few factors:
1.) NMC means he calls the shots. Might not want to move again.
2.) He has 3 more years at 4.75 and is older, so any team accepting him likely wants to hedge their bets. That is done by either: taking back another large contract, attaching a prospect with Hartnell, or retaining some salary.

It doesn't mean Hartnell is undesirable. It just means that the trade needs to make sense for both sides. If CBJ has a lot of young talent that they want to lock up, then they'd obviously want to trade Hartnell so that he's not using up one of their expansion draft slots. Other teams may not have that fear.

is wolf got stripped bare and had to walk across the city with everyone laughing and pointing at it...got its nuts cut off...and rode a dragon until it turned blind...youre all caught up
- YuenglingJagr

is wolf got stripped bare and had to walk across the city with everyone laughing and pointing at it...got its nuts cut off...and rode a dragon until it turned blind...youre all caught up
- YuenglingJagr

I really don't feel like I missed anything.

What makes you think Hartnell with 5 years left was tradeable without taking a contract back?

Did CBJ move him for a pick or a prospect and I just missed it? He only has 3 years left now so theoretically that should inrease his value.
- Feanor

Never said I would have kept Hartnell. I just don't believe getting Umberger was the best they could have done. Why not buy down his contract to $3.5M and get a legit asset back that could help the future? Is there no one who would have parted with a pair of 2nd rounders to take on Hartnell at $3.5M for 5 years?

No matter what anyone says, I will never believe that the best offer they could have gotten was Hartnell for Umberger and a 4th.
- PhillySportsGuy

your comment is suggesting that the Flyers needed to trade him either when they did, or now (trade deadline?) The point was that there are several ways the Flyers could have played it. Maybe they did pick the best deal, maybe they didnt. But things change and over time a better deal may have surfaced. It has nothing to do with whether or not the blue jackets have traded him yet.

What is done is done, it is just speculation, based on other trades that have been made, that the Flyers could have gotten something better than Umberger and a 4th at some point between when the trade was made and now

It is.

But if they did trade hartnell and kept salary we would just be complaining today about trading Vinny and trying to keep salary to make it work.
- J35Bacher

They could have worked something else out

They could have worked something else out
- PhillySportsGuy

Sure.

They could have traded Brayden Schenn and Lecaviler to Toronto for a 3rd rounder and prospect.

There will always be other avenues. But their are always ripples to what happens.

Hartnell for Umberger without salary retention

Allowed for:

Grossmann
Lecavieler
Schenn to be traded for some picks and players like Gagner and Weal.


Which now allowed for salary cap space and possibly more with a easier Umberger buyout.

Carly Fiorina fell off the stage.

Sure.

They could have traded Brayden Schenn and Lecaviler to Toronto for a 3rd rounder and prospect.

There will always be other avenues. But their are always ripples to what happens.

Hartnell for Umberger without salary retention

Allowed for:

Grossmann
Lecavieler
Schenn to be traded for some picks and players like Gagner and Weal.


Which now allowed for salary cap space and possibly more with a easier Umberger buyout.
- J35Bacher

You know what else the trade allowed for? The Flyers to get bounced in 6 games with the Caps. A few goals the other way, and we're talking playoff hockey instead of how excited we are to buy out Umberger. Take your pick.

I don't care what that pick ends up being, because it's no longer theirs. It likely will be a bottom-half pick, but it could, hypothetically, end up being the last pick in the first round. It sucks that they don't have one at all, but where it lands is immaterial at this point.
- jmatchett383

not sure if we understand each other. the 2017 pick that was traded to cleveland will be clevelands, thats true. However, if the eagles are the worst team in the league next year, hypothetically, the browns will have the number overall pick in the draft. i would expect the eagles to be close to a 6-10, 7-9 team, but on the chance that we are a 4-12 team, we would have just given up a top 5 pick most likely is what im saying.

i dont understand your thoughts in saying hypothetically it could end up being the last pick in the first round. do you suggest that, hypothetically, this team can win a super bowl? i know what hypothetical means, technically you can say anything hypothetically, but really?

You know what else the trade allowed for? The Flyers to get bounced in 6 games with the Caps. A few goals the other way, and we're talking playoff hockey instead of how excited we are to buy out Umberger. Take your pick.
- steelydan

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Maybe they don't make the playoffs at all.

We never know what happens. But you can see what has been allowed to happen with the trade.

You know what else the trade allowed for? The Flyers to get bounced in 6 games with the Caps. A few goals the other way, and we're talking playoff hockey instead of how excited we are to buy out Umberger. Take your pick.
- steelydan

Or a few more power plays for the Capitals...a great strategy against the Caps that series

You know what else the trade allowed for? The Flyers to get bounced in 6 games with the Caps. A few goals the other way, and we're talking playoff hockey instead of how excited we are to buy out Umberger. Take your pick.
- steelydan

you think winning one playoff series is more important than multiple years being a cup contender. thats the problem. you're only thinking of the now. the whole organization is thinking of the future, why cant you?

you think winning one playoff series is more important than multiple years being a cup contender. thats the problem. you're only thinking of the now. the whole organization is thinking of the future, why cant you?
- sjk540

why cant us

Sure.

They could have traded Brayden Schenn and Lecaviler to Toronto for a 3rd rounder and prospect.

There will always be other avenues. But their are always ripples to what happens.

Hartnell for Umberger without salary retention

Allowed for:

Grossmann
Lecavieler
Schenn to be traded for some picks and players like Gagner and Weal.


Which now allowed for salary cap space and possibly more with a easier Umberger buyout.
- J35Bacher

The Flyers could have also had more cap space, which means they could have taken back money in some deal as well. Or maybe they could have signed another reclamation project like MDZ or a European/college FA or taken back salary to buy a draft pick.

Your argument is basically that saving one of those 3 salary retentions for future deals would have been too important to part with.

not sure if we understand each other. the 2017 pick that was traded to cleveland will be clevelands, thats true. However, if the eagles are the worst team in the league next year, hypothetically, the browns will have the number overall pick in the draft. i would expect the eagles to be close to a 6-10, 7-9 team, but on the chance that we are a 4-12 team, we would have just given up a top 5 pick most likely is what im saying.

i dont understand your thoughts in saying hypothetically it could end up being the last pick in the first round. do you suggest that, hypothetically, this team can win a super bowl? i know what hypothetical means, technically you can say anything hypothetically, but really?
- sjk540

Not trying to speak for him...but it seems like some hyperbole.

the reality is that the trade doesnt get made without including that 2017 1st rounder...so you dont make the trade because you are worried about what the 2017 first rounder ends up being?

most likely it is a middle of the pack pick again and you still are left without a QB....they assessed that they could trade up. they accepted the price (I think it is pretty fair alll things considered), and made the move and now we will see what happens. doing nothing carries just as much risk in my opinion

i agree with him...whats done is done and what pick the 2017 1st ends up being has no bearing on whether or not this was a good/bad trade