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kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

May 3 @ 9:00 AM ET
Im hoping for any combo of:

1. Tkachuk/Dubois/Brown
2. Johanson/Stanley/Clague
3. Day/Greenway/Dineen

I dont know much about the 2nd and 3rd rounders but at least this starts to address some needs.

- mauryballstein


I would like to see 2/3 in the first round.

1. Tkachuk/Dubois/Dman
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 3 @ 9:41 AM ET
I could see Chiarelli moving down a couple of spots for D.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

May 3 @ 9:53 AM ET
I could see Chiarelli moving down a couple of spots for D.
- VanHockeyGuy

maybe someone will film it.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 3 @ 10:03 AM ET
So CAL fires a coach who outsmarts WD on a regular basis. Hmm. Hello Bruce Boudreau
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

May 3 @ 10:16 AM ET
Hartley fired.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

May 3 @ 10:39 AM ET
Hartley fired.
- Marwood


hate that guy.
storm88
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Surrey, BC
Joined: 09.29.2011

May 3 @ 11:13 AM ET
We can't afford to trade away Dmen. Especially Tanev. We need to add good D. Not subtract.

Here's how it plays out. If Canucks want Dubois, they won't get him. It's the Canuck thing to do.....

Edm could trade the pick in hopes of adding a Dman now. The team that acquires it will swoop in and steal Dubois.

It's like losing out on the top 3. I'm prepared for it to happen
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

May 3 @ 11:18 AM ET
We can't afford to trade away Dmen. Especially Tanev. We need to add good D. Not subtract.

Here's how it plays out. If Canucks want Dubois, they won't get him. It's the Canuck thing to do.....

Edm could trade the pick in hopes of adding a Dman now. The team that acquires it will swoop in and steal Dubois.

It's like losing out on the top 3. I'm prepared for it to happen

- storm88

lols. that's a good way to look at it... in that case we'll add Tkachuk (Kachook)...

We need to trade Tanev and Edler (convince him to move). Then use the picks we get back to add other D men. Tanev has little to no offence in his game. We need guys who can move the puck and collect those 1st or 2nd assists to help drive offence.

Edler is scared of going full out cuz of his back issues.

NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

May 3 @ 11:25 AM ET
We need to trade Tanev and Edler (convince him to move). Then use the picks we get back to add other D men.
- kaptaan


So we need to trade our top two d-men for picks that may pan out to be as good, worse, or maybe better than they are in 2-5 years time? That's quite the strategy

Selling off assets where we're weakest isn't in line with what JB has sort of laid out. He's bringing in a few more d this year, so let's see how those guys pan out before clearing out what we have.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

May 3 @ 11:27 AM ET
So we need to trade our top two d-men for picks that may pan out to be as good, worse, or maybe better than they are in 2-5 years time? That's quite the strategy

Selling off assets where we're weakest isn't in line with what JB has sort of laid out. He's bringing in a few more d this year, so let's see how those guys pan out before clearing out what we have.

- NewYorkNuck


if you can get 1st round picks for either Edler or Tanev, I gotta say that you take them. We aren't winning a cup in the next 2 or 3 years, so lets use that window to draft and develop a true top pairing D man (as Edler and Tanev are more 2nd pairing Defense men)
LeftCoaster
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Duck City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 3 @ 11:40 AM ET
@DarrenDreger
Travel spies have Minny GM Chuck Fletcher in California today. Quietly meeting with Bruce Boudreau is my speculation.


I sincerely wish the Canucks brass would entertain the thought of hiring Boudreau.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

May 3 @ 11:43 AM ET
Ben Hutton playing 3rd pair defense with Matt Dumba for Team Canada
Chris Tanev on the top pair with Morgan Reilly

GREAT experience for the young Hutton
LeftCoaster
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Duck City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 3 @ 11:47 AM ET
if you can get 1st round picks for either Edler or Tanev, I gotta say that you take them. We aren't winning a cup in the next 2 or 3 years, so lets use that window to draft and develop a true top pairing D man (as Edler and Tanev are more 2nd pairing Defense men)
- Codes1087

Benning and Linden want to remain competitive so realistically trading either Edler or Tanev seems out of the picture.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

May 3 @ 11:48 AM ET
@DarrenDreger
Travel spies have Minny GM Chuck Fletcher in California today. Quietly meeting with Bruce Boudreau is my speculation.


I sincerely wish the Canucks brass would entertain the thought of hiring Boudreau.

- LeftCoaster

Why?
Serious question.
YeOldTimer
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

May 3 @ 11:49 AM ET
Hartley fired.
- Marwood


Could this be the end of meathead hockey in Calgary?
YeOldTimer
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

May 3 @ 11:51 AM ET
if you can get 1st round picks for either Edler or Tanev, I gotta say that you take them. We aren't winning a cup in the next 2 or 3 years, so lets use that window to draft and develop a true top pairing D man (as Edler and Tanev are more 2nd pairing Defense men)
- Codes1087


Ben Hutton playing 3rd pair defense with Matt Dumba for Team Canada
Chris Tanev on the top pair with Morgan Reilly

GREAT experience for the young Hutton

- Codes1087


You seem conflicted?
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

May 3 @ 11:52 AM ET
Could this be the end of meathead hockey in Calgary?
- YeOldTimer

Not with Burke there.
YeOldTimer
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

May 3 @ 11:54 AM ET
@DarrenDreger
Travel spies have Minny GM Chuck Fletcher in California today. Quietly meeting with Bruce Boudreau is my speculation.


I sincerely wish the Canucks brass would entertain the thought of hiring Boudreau.

- LeftCoaster


I'm all for improving the coaching but I really don't see him as a fit for Vancouver at this time. He's always seemed to me to be a guy that works well with talented teams. Just opens the gate and lets 'em run. Didn't see much of his year for the HBO behind the scenes thing though. Could be wrong.
LeftCoaster
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Duck City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 3 @ 12:00 PM ET
Why?
Serious question.

- Marwood

Because of his systems, he took a defensively challenged team in Anaheim and turned them into one of the top two (Washington being the other) teams in the league in terms of goals against.

Two years ago Anaheim was in the bottom half of the league, he challenged the players to be more defensively responsible or they weren't going to win. Sure they didn't win this year but they were favourites going into the playoffs.

He'll teach our young players to play the right way as they grow. One of the top five coaches in the league, Anaheim should've fired their GM, not their coach.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

May 3 @ 12:03 PM ET
You seem conflicted?
- YeOldTimer


How? I have continued to state that if we can get 1st round picks for Either Edler or Tanev, we do it. I have stated that since Edler and Tanev have been our top pairing D-men on the Canucks for the last two years, we have been a 1st round exit team AND and 28th overall team. I also think we are atleast 3 years away from being competitive SO trading them away and drafting and developing good young D-men is a route I would MORE than welcome.

And if you think Canada is icing their top 6 D-men from the NHL in:

Reilly - Tanev
Murray - Ceci
Dumba - Hutton
Matheson

Then maybe I am not the one who is conflicted.....
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

May 3 @ 12:09 PM ET
We can't afford to trade away Dmen. Especially Tanev. We need to add good D. Not subtract.

Here's how it plays out. If Canucks want Dubois, they won't get him. It's the Canuck thing to do.....

Edm could trade the pick in hopes of adding a Dman now. The team that acquires it will swoop in and steal Dubois.

It's like losing out on the top 3. I'm prepared for it to happen

- storm88


Exactly, that's why some are looking to trade Tanev.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

May 3 @ 12:15 PM ET
Exactly, that's why some are looking to trade Tanev.
- bloatedmosquito


I have always wondered if we could somehow do a deal with WPG that involved Tanev.
His brother is obviously signed there, and they are going to run into trouble with signing Trouba since the Byfuglien signing. Another prospect that I am wondering if they are looking to get a return on is Josh Morrissey. Where does he fit into their back end? The Jets have a cupboard full of prospects.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

May 3 @ 12:16 PM ET
if you can get 1st round picks for either Edler or Tanev, I gotta say that you take them. We aren't winning a cup in the next 2 or 3 years, so lets use that window to draft and develop a true top pairing D man (as Edler and Tanev are more 2nd pairing Defense men)
- Codes1087


"Or" is plausible, "and" is definitely a no-go (as le kaptan said). I'm fine with jettisoning one of them if the right deal comes along, but with management wanting to remain competitive and without a capable substitute coming in (either through the farm, whoever JB has already signed, or whoever he will sign as a UFA), I really don't see it happening this year. Next year I can see it going down a bit easier as some of the newer guys will have matured.
the end
Location: CA
Joined: 02.02.2009

May 3 @ 12:22 PM ET
I have always wondered if we could somehow do a deal with WPG that involved Tanev.
His brother is obviously signed there, and they are going to run into trouble with signing Trouba since the Byfuglien signing. Another prospect that I am wondering if they are looking to get a return on is Josh Morrissey. Where does he fit into their back end? The Jets have a cupboard full of prospects.

- Codes1087


I was pretty sure I heard one of the reasons he signed in Winnipeg is that he DIDN'T want to play on the same team as his brother ....
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

May 3 @ 12:22 PM ET
"Or" is plausible, "and" is definitely a no-go (as le kaptan said). I'm fine with jettisoning one of them if the right deal comes along, but with management wanting to remain competitive and without a capable substitute coming in (either through the farm, whoever JB has already signed, or whoever he will sign as a UFA), I really don't see it happening this year. Next year I can see it going down a bit easier as some of the newer guys will have matured.
- NewYorkNuck


You nailed it on the head. What we want and what management want, for the most part, are two different things. I would fully embrace shipping off Edler and Tanev for a highest return possible. I am realistic in the fact that we will not be a competitive cup contender in the near future (2-3 years AT LEAST). Having said all this, and not caring about revenue and ticket sales, I personally would love to see us draft and develop good young D men who can step in AFTER this 2-3 year window and be ready for when it is time for the Sedins to retire, for our new wave of "core" players are ready to take over, and we become a young-fast-competitive franchise.
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