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Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

May 4 @ 11:16 PM ET
That, ladies and gentlemen, is the sound of the Caps choking. Hard. Weber!
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 4 @ 11:17 PM ET
Atta boy Weber. Never change
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

May 4 @ 11:17 PM ET
Holy.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 4 @ 11:17 PM ET
It still boggles my mind how a team like Washington looks at all the defensemen in the league, points to Mike Weber and says "Yep. That's the depth we need to help solidify our roster for the playoffs."
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

May 4 @ 11:18 PM ET
Mike Weber for the winner for the pens book it
- GERBE!!!75PTS



What do I win
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

May 4 @ 11:21 PM ET
You can take Weber out of Buffalo but can't take the Weber out of Weber...

I feel bad for him but wow.
50GinosIn07
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bylsmania, NY
Joined: 04.05.2015

May 4 @ 11:21 PM ET
Weber realizes only we were tanking right?
bberkey1
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.23.2011

May 4 @ 11:23 PM ET
wow, the debate over crosby and Ovechkin is long over. Ovechkin is a terrible captain and poor leader. Watching him glide around the ice waiting for someone else to feed him a puck to score compared to watching crosby take control and create opportunities game in game out is an absolute embarrassment to the capitals fans

That's one thing I think Eichel will excel in the future is leadership. Ovechkin is all flash. No motivation, no inspiration and simply does not make his team play better like Crosby does. Oshie deserves that C way more than Ovechkin. I think Eichel will be the guy that will make sure his guys are putting forth that little bit of extra effort on each shift, unlike the caps who simply got out worked when it mattered most and that falls on the captain.
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

May 4 @ 11:32 PM ET
wow, the debate over crosby and Ovechkin is long over. Ovechkin is a terrible captain and poor leader. Watching him glide around the ice waiting for someone else to feed him a puck to score compared to watching crosby take control and create opportunities game in game out is an absolute embarrassment to the capitals fans

That's one thing I think Eichel will excel in the future is leadership. Ovechkin is all flash. No motivation, no inspiration and simply does not make his team play better like Crosby does. Oshie deserves that C way more than Ovechkin. I think Eichel will be the guy that will make sure his guys are putting forth that little bit of extra effort on each shift, unlike the caps who simply got out worked when it mattered most and that falls on the captain.

- bberkey1


I have disagree ov has been great this loss was not on him
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 4 @ 11:36 PM ET
wow, the debate over crosby and Ovechkin is long over. Ovechkin is a terrible captain and poor leader. Watching him glide around the ice waiting for someone else to feed him a puck to score compared to watching crosby take control and create opportunities game in game out is an absolute embarrassment to the capitals fans

That's one thing I think Eichel will excel in the future is leadership. Ovechkin is all flash. No motivation, no inspiration and simply does not make his team play better like Crosby does. Oshie deserves that C way more than Ovechkin. I think Eichel will be the guy that will make sure his guys are putting forth that little bit of extra effort on each shift, unlike the caps who simply got out worked when it mattered most and that falls on the captain.

- bberkey1

There's definitely merit to the argument that Ovechkin may not deliver when if matters the most, but using TJ Oshie as the benchmark doesn't help solidify your argument. If the guy was known for his work ethic, he would still be a St. Louis Blue.
bberkey1
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.23.2011

May 4 @ 11:37 PM ET
I have disagree ov has been great this loss was not in him
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Eh, the loss was a team effort and poor coaching, but year in and year out, people make excuses for the guy. Regular season he's a machine, post season he's average. When things are going well he looks great, but when the team needs someone to rise up and take control of the game, he's nowhere to be found. A leader does just that, and should they lose, takes the blame and vows to do better the next game.

Oshie was trying to do just that every shift, Ovechkin sure looked like he took multiple shifts off tonight and for a guy that has yet to even make it to the conference finals, I expected him to be lighting in a bottle or at the very least, see him on the bench trying to inspire his team.
bberkey1
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.23.2011

May 4 @ 11:41 PM ET
There's definitely merit to the argument that Ovechkin may not deliver when if matters the most, but using TJ Oshie as the benchmark doesn't help solidify your argument. If the guy was known for his work ethic, he would still be a St. Louis Blue.
- buffalofan19

Perhaps stat wise, but look at the effort the guy put in tonight. Shift after shift, grinding it out along the boards to try and feed the puck to OV or at the very least, keep the puck in the zone in order for someone else to come and help. I'm not saying Oshie is the head honcho, but his effort in this series has dwarfed OV by leaps and bounds.

If anything, i expected OV to play a little more recklessly and perhaps take a few penalties or more blind shots, as the burden of never getting the the finals and of course, year after year of disappointing exits from the post season has to be on his mind
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

May 4 @ 11:45 PM ET
Eh, the loss was a team effort and poor coaching, but year in and year out, people make excuses for the guy. Regular season he's a machine, post season he's average. When things are going well he looks great, but when the team needs someone to rise up and take control of the game, he's nowhere to be found. A leader does just that, and should they lose, takes the blame and vows to do better the next game.

Oshie was trying to do just that every shift, Ovechkin sure looked like he took multiple shifts off tonight and for a guy that has yet to even make it to the conference finals, I expected him to be lighting in a bottle or at the very least, see him on the bench trying to inspire his team.

- bberkey1



This has been OVs best playoffs he is doing everything on the ice playing d making huge plays i don't understand the hate on ov right now what do you want him to do play for everyone the only reason why they 're losing is because of Murray that's it
SabreWest
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BC
Joined: 03.02.2015

May 4 @ 11:46 PM ET
What do I win
- GERBE!!!75PTS


free golf lessons from Weber in 2 days?
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

May 4 @ 11:50 PM ET
wow, the debate over crosby and Ovechkin is long over. Ovechkin is a terrible captain and poor leader. Watching him glide around the ice waiting for someone else to feed him a puck to score compared to watching crosby take control and create opportunities game in game out is an absolute embarrassment to the capitals fans

That's one thing I think Eichel will excel in the future is leadership. Ovechkin is all flash. No motivation, no inspiration and simply does not make his team play better like Crosby does. Oshie deserves that C way more than Ovechkin. I think Eichel will be the guy that will make sure his guys are putting forth that little bit of extra effort on each shift, unlike the caps who simply got out worked when it mattered most and that falls on the captain.

- bberkey1


Mark Messier disagrees with you.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/st...eadership-award-finalists
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

May 4 @ 11:53 PM ET
free golf lessons from Weber in 2 days?

- SabreWest


My only wish is he never comes back
bberkey1
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.23.2011

May 4 @ 11:59 PM ET
This has been OVs best playoffs his doing everything on the ice playing d making huge plays i don't understand the hate on ov right now what do you want him to do play for everyone the only reason why they 're losing is because of Murray that's it
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Murry is a wall yes, but OV's effort in this series has been poop. In the flyers series he looked great. He had chances tonight that were stonewalled sure, but over all, his enthusiasm was crap. He often glided into the zone, tried to chip it past the D-man and when that didn't work, glided back for the change. He's been relying on camping and waiting for opportunities rather than going out and taking control. Crosby, after having returned from being hacked by OV, went out, pumped his feet and drove beyond the goal line and dumped the pass back to a trailer and created a great scoring chance. In one shift, he created more opportunities than I saw OV generate tonight.

The difference in this series is, Crosby as well as Malkin are creating opportunities for others as well as producing their own chances. OV on the other hand has done little to create opportunities for others and his best chances have came from the work of others. Murry has stuffed him multiple times yes, but sitting in front of the net waiting for pucks to be fed to you is not the only way to score. In the flyers series, he took it upon himself to deek into the zone and generate scoring opportunists multiple times, but in this series not so much.

If, the next game, at home, he isn't flying around the rink laying hit after hit, dancing between players and taking the lion's share of shots or crashing into the net from effort to create opportunities, I'd be ashamed as a caps fan
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

May 5 @ 12:10 AM ET
Murry is a wall yes, but OV's effort in this series has been poop. In the flyers series he looked great. He had chances tonight that were stonewalled sure, but over all, his enthusiasm was crap. He often glided into the zone, tried to chip it past the D-man and when that didn't work, glided back for the change. He's been relying on camping and waiting for opportunities rather than going out and taking control. Crosby, after having returned from being hacked by OV, went out, pumped his feet and drove beyond the goal line and dumped the pass back to a trailer and created a great scoring chance. In one shift, he created more opportunities than I saw OV generate tonight.

The difference in this series is, Crosby as well as Malkin are creating opportunities for others as well as producing their own chances. OV on the other hand has done little to create opportunities for others and his best chances have came from the work of others. Murry has stuffed him multiple times yes, but sitting in front of the net waiting for pucks to be fed to you is not the only way to score. In the flyers series, he took it upon himself to deek into the zone and generate scoring opportunists multiple times, but in this series not so much.

If, the next game, at home, he isn't flying around the rink laying hit after hit, dancing between players and taking the lion's share of shots or crashing into the net from effort to create opportunities, I'd be ashamed as a caps fan

- bberkey1


what do you want Ovechkin to do he's doing everything possible to win the series did you not see him last game he was an absolute monster

he's been absolutely solid this whole series he is shooting the puck like crazy hitting people constantly playing great D which is hard to say but he is he's not being selfish at all .

It's not his fault that Backstrom forgot how to play hockey .. Justin Williams where is he? Or Kuznetsov

I just think you're hating on Ovechkin because you're thinking about years past he's doing everything you would ask for in the playoffs
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 5 @ 12:21 AM ET
what do you want Ovechkin to do he's doing everything possible to win the series did you not see him last game he was an absolute monster

he's been absolutely solid this whole series he is shooting the puck like crazy hitting people constantly playing great D which is hard to say but he is he's not being selfish at all .

It's not his fault that Backstrom forgot how to play hockey .. Justin Williams where is he? Or Kuznetsov

I just think you're hating on Ovechkin because you're thinking about years past he's doing everything you would ask for in the playoffs

- GERBE!!!75PTS

It's the Russian stereotype.

Last game he had 8 shots with a goal and an assist, and a hockey night in Canada article headlined "Crosby and Ovechkin quiet as Pens take Gane 3"
bberkey1
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.23.2011

May 5 @ 12:26 AM ET
what do you want Ovechkin to do he's doing everything possible to win the series did you not see him last game he was an absolute monster

he's been absolutely solid this whole series he is shooting the puck like crazy hitting people constantly playing great D which is hard to say but he is he's not being selfish at all .

It's not his fault that Backstrom forgot how to play hockey .. Justin Williams where is he? Or Kuznetsov

- GERBE!!!75PTS


I would also say that the coaching game plan has been pretty stubborn as well, which isn't helping but hits and shots are simply stats. It's the kanes and crosbys that find a way to go out, even if its the only shift that they actually do anything on the entire game and show the world that they are the best in the game. OV, although had many great looks tonight has not done that. he needs to take the puck, weave between three guys, drawn the air out of every fan in the stands and find a way to put it in the net. Saying he's done all he can only institutes that he can't do any more, which implies that he can never achieve the magic that other greats have attained

Excuses try to explain a loss, but greatness will always find a way. If the team is not playing a great game, greatness goes out and shuts the door, that's what they do. If a goalie is unstoppable, greatness goes out and slays the giant with an crazy move that somehow results in a goal.

There's no point in arguing his talent level, he is beyond talented, but in terms of taking it to the level of greatness, his track record speaks for itself. Is he a bad player? Hell no. Is he overrated? of course not, but when it comes to choosing a guy I want when the game comes down to one last shift, I'll take the likes of kane and crosby (hopefully eichel ) any day.

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

May 5 @ 12:41 AM ET
oh mike weber
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

May 5 @ 12:50 AM ET
It's the Russian stereotype.

Last game he had 8 shots with a goal and an assist, and a hockey night in Canada article headlined "Crosby and Ovechkin quiet as Pens take Gane 3"

- sbroads24

3 points and 21 shots in 4 games

I notice him more in this series than I noticed toews vs the blues
SabreWest
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BC
Joined: 03.02.2015

May 5 @ 12:53 AM ET
oh mike weber
- homiedclown


new team, still sucks
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

May 5 @ 1:02 AM ET
oh mike weber
- homiedclown

The fact that I'm rooting for the Caps, and it was Weber makes so much sense
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

May 5 @ 1:04 AM ET
The flash has me tearing up like a little baby right now

The feels good dammit .. The feels.
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