guess Tampa figured out finally, to score on Murray you need to shoot high.
- SABRES 89

High glove specifically they showed a graph before the series where they showed his SV% high glove, low glove... And high glove was way below playoff average. It was like .667 or something.

He had the NBA all star thing, and a legal inquiry that was not triggered by reporting obligations imposed on other professionals. That girl didn't complain, didn't make any allegations and never pointed a finger of blame. For that matter, nobody else said anything improper happened.

That's pretty tick tack as an "off ice issue."
- Der Kaiser

If I recall he had to miss practice to get questioned because the girl went to the hospital. He also missed practice because of the All star game. Both were from incidents off the ice. I'd say that fits the definition just fine.

He obviously didn't commit a serious crime. But I don't remember this sort of thing happening to everyone. The dude has a serious knack for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Drouin wanted to play, he wasn't, so he wanted to go somewhere he could. You can debate whether the trade demand and AHL holdout was right or wrong, what can't be debated was his reasoning, which was wanting to be on the team. Kane routinely does things that jeopardizes him being on any team

High glove specifically they showed a graph before the series where they showed his SV% high glove, low glove... And high glove was way below playoff average. It was like .667 or something.
- Wetbandit1

Never had charts/graphs like that in the 70's


Pretty cool that they have such a thing

Correct me if I'm wrong I recall he was demoted to work on his willingness - as opposed to ability - to play at both ends.
- Der Kaiser

Yes, needed to "round out his game" or some such. No one has ever denied his ability, just his ability to want to play defense. And then his ability not to make a stupid decision, then the ability not to realize he made a stupid decision for how many months?

A metric poop-ton of guys are sent down to work on their game when they're young, or they play on the 4th lines when they're 1st or 2nd line talent. It's the way things are. Is it right? Maybe, maybe not, but when you look like an entitled little wiener it doesn't look good on you. Suck it up, dominate the "A" for a month. Let your play do the talking, and then you'll be up on the 1st or 2nd line in no time.

He had the NBA all star thing, and a legal inquiry that was not triggered by reporting obligations imposed on other professionals. That girl didn't complain, didn't make any allegations and never pointed a finger of blame. For that matter, nobody else said anything improper happened.

That's pretty tick tack as an "off ice issue."
- Der Kaiser

And probably even 15 years ago we never would've known about it.

Mario Lemieux was in the room when a girl was raped. How many people know that?

Yes, needed to "round out his game" or some such. No one has ever denied his ability, just his ability to want to play defense. And then his ability not to make a stupid decision, then the ability not to realize he made a stupid decision for how many months?

A metric poop-ton of guys are sent down to work on their game when they're young, or they play on the 4th lines when they're 1st or 2nd line talent. It's the way things are. Is it right? Maybe, maybe not, but when you look like an entitled little wiener it doesn't look good on you. Suck it up, dominate the "A" for a month. Let your play do the talking, and then you'll be up on the 1st or 2nd line in no time.
- Wetbandit1

And sometimes the coaches/GM are just plain wrong.

If I recall he had to miss practice to get questioned because the girl went to the hospital. He also missed practice because of the All star game. Both were from incidents off the ice. I'd say that fits the definition just fine.

He obviously didn't commit a serious crime. But I don't remember this sort of thing happening to everyone. The dude has a serious knack for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Drouin wanted to play, he wasn't, so he wanted to go somewhere he could. You can debate whether the trade demand and AHL holdout was right or wrong, what can't be debated was his reasoning, which was wanting to be on the team. Kane routinely does things that jeopardizes him being on any team
- sbroads24

In its simplest form, the first part of being on the team is going to the games. Kane missed 2 practices. Drouin missed weeks and weeks of games.

But I've grown bored. Let's move on.

And sometimes the coaches/GM are just plain wrong.
- sbroads24

So show them. If they're any good they'll realize it and fix the mistake. But you receive no goodwill if you act like an bumhole.

So show them. If they're any good they'll realize it and fix the mistake. But you receive no goodwill if you act like an bumhole.
- Wetbandit1

He was a 3rd overall pick from 3 years ago who felt that he wasn't being used properly. That potentially could have cost him millions of dollars. I don't blame him.

Does anyone care about Eichel back checking right now?

He was a 3rd overall pick from 3 years ago who felt that he wasn't being used properly. That potentially could have cost him millions of dollars. I don't blame him.

Does anyone care about Eichel back checking right now?
- sbroads24

If he doesn't improve, yeah, I do he was pretty bad at it last year. Defense. He back checks well. His positioning is his major deficiency. Also, millions? Come on. He wouldn't have played for more than a month in the AHL. It ended up costing him way more. Looking like a Richard, so not getting any goodwill come negotiation time, are we going to go through this again when he's due for a new contract? He's RFA he has no power, not being paid at all because he sat, and staying in the AHL for way longer than he would have had he just sucked it up and played and showed how good he is. But I'm done with this. Clearly no one is willing to budge on their position.

If he doesn't improve, yeah, I do he was pretty bad at it last year. Defense. He back checks well. His positioning is his major deficiency. Also, millions? Come on. He wouldn't have played for more than a month in the AHL. It ended up costing him way more. Looking like a Richard, so not getting any goodwill come negotiation time, are we going to go through this again when he's due for a new contract? He's RFA he has no power, not being paid at all because he sat, and staying in the AHL for way longer than he would have had he just sucked it up and played and showed how good he is. But I'm done with this. Clearly no one is willing to budge on their position.
- Wetbandit1

I think the issue is he didn't believe management about how long.

I do think it could have cost him millions. If he was allowed to play and produce for 2 seasons he would get a good contract, if he was buried this year and had just one good year next season that changes things.

And sometimes the coaches/GM are just plain wrong.
- sbroads24

Yes. And the sideshow he and his agent put on took the spotlight off this fact. The Lightning dodged a serious bullet here.

Yes. And the sideshow he and his agent put on took the spotlight off this fact. The Lightning dodged a serious bullet here.
- buffalofan19

Drouin plays no defense lazy game, gets demoted.
Drouin demands trade refuses to report.
Drouin loses weeks of salary.
Drouin gets no trade.
Drouin reports to Syracuse, plays 200 foot game. Hustles.
Drouin promoted to TB.
TB still has Drouin contract rights, and a more developed player.


And we're saying the kid won that showdown???

Drouin plays no defense lazy game, gets demoted.
Drouin demands trade refuses to report.
Drouin loses weeks of salary.
Drouin gets no trade.
Drouin reports to Syracuse, plays 200 foot game. Hustles.
Drouin promoted to TB.
TB still has Drouin contract rights, and a more developed player.


And we're saying the kid won that showdown???


- Der Kaiser

Drouin hustling had absolutely nothing to do with him being recalled. When Stamkos went down Yzerman had no choice than to add a former 3rd overall pick stud who's been sitting and waiting for a chance.

I would love to see the reactions if this were Reinhart. I wonder how many of us would be backing Bylsma/Murray if they just wouldn't play him or if they did, keep him as a bottom 6 player and cite his "hustle"

Drouin hustling had absolutely nothing to do with him being recalled. When Stamkos went down Yzerman had no choice than to add a former 3rd overall pick stud who's been sitting and waiting for a chance.

I would love to see the reactions if this were Reinhart. I wonder how many of us would be backing Bylsma/Murray if they just wouldn't play him or if they did, keep him as a bottom 6 player and cite his "hustle"
- sbroads24

Right. Drouin hustling had to do with being beaten by weeks out of the game. That's why he played well in Syracuse before the Stankos injury and call up.

Funn you should pick Sam, the guy who took his medicine, kept his mouth shut, and came back a much improved player for it. That's how to be a teammate and pro.

Right. Drouin hustling had to do with being beaten by weeks out of the game. That's why he played well in Syracuse before the Stankos injury and call up.

Funn you should pick Sam, the guy who took his medicine, kept his mouth shut, and came back a much improved player for it. That's how to be a teammate and pro.
- Der Kaiser

Yes, his first year after being drafted, not his 3rd.

I also think Drouin scoring a goal a game has much more importance than his defensive prowess. If you don't know how to use that kind of player, it's on you

Yes, his first year after being drafted, not his 3rd.

I also think Drouin scoring a goal a game has much more importance than his defensive prowess. If you don't know how to use that kind of player, it's on you
- sbroads24

Alright one more thing. Tampa is also trying to set/maintain their precedent. No one is above the game/system. And if Reinhart was playing 4th line minutes at the beginning of the season. Through the first 11 games he played under 10 minutes once under 12 3 times and 12:27 once all in the first 4 games. Then he started playing more, because why? He was playing better and near the end of those games he's got 15:18, 13:23, 12:59, 13:54. Still not the 2nd line minutes like at the end of the season, but solid 3rd line minutes. For a guy that hasn't proved anything you have to start out lower than where you belong.

Even in NHL 16 Be A Pro you have to start out in the AHL, or even Junior if you've got the patience, and then work your way up through the AHL team, then once you get called up you start on the 3rd line and then slowly move up and eventually halfway through the season you get on the first line. They even make you pay your dues in a video game where the coach female doges because you called for a pass too much, or stayed out too long even after you just scored 6 goals and 10 points.

That's life in the NHL. Everyone knows this. This kid thought he was above it. That's all this is. Nothing more.

Alright one more thing. Tampa is also trying to set/maintain their precedent. No one is above the game/system. And if Reinhart was playing 4th line minutes at the beginning of the season. Through the first 11 games he played under 10 minutes once under 12 3 times and 12:27 once all in the first 4 games. Then he started playing more, because why? He was playing better and near the end of those games he's got 15:18, 13:23, 12:59, 13:54. Still not the 2nd line minutes like at the end of the season, but solid 3rd line minutes. For a guy that hasn't proved anything you have to start out lower than where you belong.

Even in NHL 16 Be A Pro you have to start out in the AHL, or even Junior if you've got the patience, and then work your way up through the AHL team, then once you get called up you start on the 3rd line and then slowly move up and eventually halfway through the season you get on the first line. They even make you pay your dues in a video game where the coach female doges because you called for a pass too much, or stayed out too long even after you just scored 6 goals and 10 points.

That's life in the NHL. Everyone knows this. This kid thought he was above it. That's all this is. Nothing more.
- Wetbandit1

And he was. That's the point. He was sent back to juniors his rookie year like Reinhart, no biggie, he just lit Juniors on fire with 108 points in under 50 games.

Next year he gets time with the Lightning, produced per 60 at a top 6 rate. Didn't score a lot of goals, but got on the scoresheet.

Gets benched for the playoffs. OK whatever he's still 20.

3rd year, gets Richarded around in what was supposed to be his breakout season. Sees a team with a top 6 of Johnson, Palat, Killorn, Kucherov, Stamkos, Flipulla.

Figures only way to get a shot is to be traded.

I will say the holdout was his only mistake. Not the trade demand

Apparently Lindy was pretty close, too.


- Der Kaiser

bump

And he was. That's the point. He was sent back to juniors his rookie year like Reinhart, no biggie, he just lit Juniors on fire with 108 points in under 50 games.

Next year he gets time with the Lightning, produced per 60 at a top 6 rate. Didn't score a lot of goals, but got on the scoresheet.

Gets benched for the playoffs. OK whatever he's still 20.

3rd year, gets Richarded around in what was supposed to be his breakout season. Sees a team with a top 6 of Johnson, Palat, Killorn, Kucherov, Stamkos, Flipulla.

Figures only way to get a shot is to be traded.

I will say the holdout was his only mistake. Not the trade demand
- sbroads24

I wonder if that was driven from his agent

Yzerman still has not learned how to handle kids though

I wonder if that was driven from his agent

Yzerman still has not learned how to handle kids though
- homiedclown

It was his agent, Drouin himself ended the holdout because he wanted to play.

If you are a 3rd overall pick, in a crazy talent laden draft, and by your 3rd year you aren't viewed as a key peice, I have no issue asking to be traded.

And he was. That's the point. He was sent back to juniors his rookie year like Reinhart, no biggie, he just lit Juniors on fire with 108 points in under 50 games.

Next year he gets time with the Lightning, produced per 60 at a top 6 rate. Didn't score a lot of goals, but got on the scoresheet.

Gets benched for the playoffs. OK whatever he's still 20.

3rd year, gets Richarded around in what was supposed to be his breakout season. Sees a team with a top 6 of Johnson, Palat, Killorn, Kucherov, Stamkos, Flipulla.

Figures only way to get a shot is to be traded.

I will say the holdout was his only mistake. Not the trade demand
- sbroads24

I don't think you'll find too many people who disagree with that. Lots of players demand trades. Very few make them public, and the ones that do don't release the details themselves. It's usually "journalists" that pull threads until they get something and make people say it. Evander Kane demanded a trade from Winnipeg every year, and no one knew about it.

And as far as blaming the agent. Is he still his agent? Then he(Drouin) still thinks that was the best way to handle it. If he didn't he would've fired him and gotten a new one. A kid with those hands? They'd be lining up to get him.

It was his agent, Drouin himself ended the holdout because he wanted to play.

If you are a 3rd overall pick, in a crazy talent laden draft, and by your 3rd year you aren't viewed as a key peice, I have no issue asking to be traded.
- sbroads24

agreed

yzerman ran st louis out of tampa and he was the most beloved bolt ever

sign Yohann Auvitu for 7ém D-men !!!!